Mr Neutron
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Authoritarians all agree on that.
Who Pays Income Taxes?
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UncleBuck
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except the wallet analogy has a man with a gun forcing you to give up the dough.
can you name some examples of people being forced at gunpoint to sign a W4?
false equivalence, thy name is neutron.
your analogy sucks like i imagine an overweight mustachioed mexican whore would suck. badly.
NLXSK1
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If you do not sign a w-4 then the government takes out the maximum amount.
Why would they need a gun? They already have an agreement with the *banker* your employer to get their cut first.
NLXSK1
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For a supposedly married man you spend an enormous amount of time contemplating hairy overweight mexican women and little boys pushing lawnmowers...
UncleBuck
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if an employee doesn't sign a W4, he doesn't work. it's a voluntary decision.
if an employer doesn't do the W4 thing, the max gets taken out. but no one ever forced them to become an employer. that also is a voluntary decision.
also,
UncleBuck
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good trolling.
Dr Kynes
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if your employer told you this they lied. it is untrue.
the w-4 wage and tax withholding agreement is completely voluntary, but employing someone without getting it signed makes the employer liable if you do not pay your taxes. its a confusing section of the code of regulations that is impenetrable to anyone who questions the power of government to compel another to be laible for your taxes, but it is successful at making the w-4 a mandatory part of all employment, despite no law requiring you to sign it.
it's robbing you by threatening to rob your employer and leave you jobless if you dont submit, so your employer (out of self preservation) will never hire anyone without the form.
declining the w-4 is tantamount to declining to ever be employed anywhere in the usa. legally.
Mr Neutron
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There's the old Bucky. Just when I was about to commend you for not hurling insults (even though you did, you toned it down) but even when you think you've won an argument, you just can't keep your bigoted brain from slinging shit, even when it has nothing to do with reality.
You just keep on spouting the establishment mantra. I'm sure you will get a job telling people how to live, that seems to be what you are good at.
ArcticGranite
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Al Capone was powerful, wealthy, cunning, ruthless and above the law. He neither signed a W-4 nor paid taxes. Al, hey, how'd that work out for you?
ArcticGranite
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Agreed. A self "made" man. And he choose not to participate in the tax system. And with all his might power and resources fell to the tax man! How effing ironic. My argument being that participation in the tax system is as voluntary as using tissue paper. You can choose not to but eventually you have a stinkin shitty mess to deal with.
Dr Kynes
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thats why i use a bidet.
UncleBuck
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dude, you told me you bang hookers. you live on $900 a month. we know this. so what else am i to think?
Dr Kynes
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$900 a month is pretty good in mexico where the average monthly salary is less than $50
one could bang some choice trim on $900 a month down mexico way.
ChesusRice
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All that aside
What do you think Neutrons overall U.S. tax liability would be that he is always complaining about
Dr Kynes
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well that depends, if its sosh security payments then he is prolly in the 3-5% bracket, but on a fixed income 3-5% is fucking heavy, further, sales taxes, excise taxes and property taxes can bite the apple even deeper.
my income tax rate is low too, but since i make less than mr neutron i dont have the dough to splash around for flashy handouts to washington bureaucrats, or for funding lavish GAO parties to celebrate reducing costs by just about exactly what the party costs.
even 2% of taxation that is criminally based (like the income tax) on lies and bullshit, and an unratified amendment that contradicts established constitutional principles for the enrichment of washington fatcats chaps my ass too.
i dont like pickpockets either, even though they generally only steal a little bit that the victim can usually live without. washignton is full of burglars who steal your shit then come back for more year after year.
he may not pay as high a rate as some, or as high a total as most, neither do i, but it still stings, maybe harder than those who pay higher rates due to our narrower margins, but we can still bitch about it.
ChesusRice
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Well that is an awesome write up
I think maybe you didnt realize
he lives in Mexico
and from what I understand
He is below the poverty line of every state here in the USA so he would have no income tax liability
Which begs the question
Why is he always whining about high taxes when he pays none
Mr Neutron
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To begin with, I never told YOU anything. What I probably said was something like "If I get horny, I would rather rent a woman for an hour" (than get emotionally involved and permanently attached with someone). I get to "bang" as you put it, some pretty hot chicks and they leave afterwards and don't bother me (usually). Are you jealous?
What else are you to think? I really don't care. You might try reading comprehension classes, though. Then do some serious study on morality, scruples, honesty and character.
Oh yeah, and get off that high horse that you like to pontificate from, you're not fooling anyone.
Between you and the asshat called Buck that you wear, you take what anybody you don't like says and twist their words around to something completely different. You are liars and you're proud of the way you act. What does that say about you?
Despite that, I will answer your questions but not for your sake because any information I divulge will be taken and twisted into something else. You have no honor, no character... but for the sake of the readers who are not dirty, ignorant trolls, I reveal.
First of all, I am not complaining, as you love to keep harping, about how much I have to pay but rather the fact that all of us are being lied to and defrauded into paying taxes on wages and to reveal how unfair the system is. Even UB believes that each of us owns our own body... but if that is true, then why do we not own our labor?
Did the government implement withholding to make it more convenient for us or to trick us into compliance with their fraud? How many people would complain about their tax bill if everybody had to cut a check four times a year AND pay the FULL SS tax? Withholding is an insidious way of making people comply with a fraudulent system. A little bit every payday is much less noticeable than writing a BIG check every quarter. And making the employer pay half of the employees SS is a good way of discouraging self employment. They don't want anybody going independent and they do what they can to discourage it.
The questionable circumstances under which the 16th was supposedly passed. The Constitution says no direct taxation without apportionment. The Supreme Court has said the 16th infers no new power of taxation. Income was defined as profit from a capital venture, NOT wages. The abuses of power exercised by agents. The agents that have left the agency after discovering the truth and the persecution they endure to this day for revealing the truth. Just a FEW of the questions that remain unanswered.
You choose to remain blind to what is going on, fine, it's at your own risk. You might want to rethink your mightier than thou posture, however, it doesn't fit with your false/fake sense of compassion.
Gee, I didn't know individual states have their own poverty line, even if true it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. We are, I believe, talking about federal income tax and yes, for 2011 the poverty line for an individual was $10,890, my pension income was $10,946. $56 over the poverty line and still on the hook. Figure it out, it's not difficult. $10,946-$5800 (standard deduction)=$5146-$3700 (standard exemptions)=$1446 taxable income and the tax table says that is subject to $144 tax. You all shout "TAX THE RICH, TAX THE RICH" yet you ignore the inequality of the progressive tax system (4th plank in the communist manifesto, btw) and the burden on the poor.
I challenge anyone to live anywhere in the whole United States of America on $900/mn without assistance, let alone pay your federal tax bill. It might be possible if you own your home, if your property taxes aren't too much. But your not really living, you're just surviving. I chose to move to Mexico where my little pension will allow me to have some quality of life, rather than trying to scratch and claw my way through. I worked my whole life, am I not entitled to retire and enjoy what is left of my life? Or will you deny that, also? You also need to consider that my income is fixed, so inflation is pushing my purchasing power lower and lower every year, making it even more difficult.
Just one more tidbit. Take the $10,890/yr poverty level for a moment. Suppose someone only gets $800/mn? That's $1290 BELOW the poverty line. Can you live on that? Are you still liable to the Infernal Revenue Service? You bet you are.
Why does the IRS say that filing is voluntary when it clearly is not? Why does the government persecute those that try to educate and reveal the truth about the fraudulent actions that have been perpetrated on it's own citizens (subjects is more accurate) for the past century? Why is it they threaten anybody who publishes or distributes any information revealing the truth? After all, if you can look up the instructions for making a weapon of mass destruction, what harm can shining a little light on the tax system do? What are they hiding so jealously?
Your last line, where you lie about my tax liability is right from Harry Reid's playbook of "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit". You called me a liar... prove it or own it.
A little piss ant like you should educate yourself instead of spewing that mouth diarrhea that you're so fond of. You know not of what you speak and this has revealed your nescience. mmkay, punkin?
Rob Roy
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Maybe he recognizes that taxation is institutionalized theft and that the amount extorted or how the money is put to use even it's for "good things" cannot change the fact something taken from another absent their consent is a poor foundation for a policy.... Of course that's just my opinion, so maybe it's for other reasons.
Doer
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It's not who pays. That the dupe. It is the waste, stupid, not the economy, stupid. That the dupe. Plenty of money to be well inside the budget.
Waste. The lies of Politics have always been about who gets to waste our money.
And the more imbecilic our children get the easier it is.
...as we see...on this forum. Clueless children playing with rhetoric, hiding and not doing that well at it, of course. That's the BuckFuck plan. The poster child of Confusion. Thinks he is Loki, no doubt.
Waste. The lies of Politics have always been about who gets to waste our money.
And the more imbecilic our children get the easier it is.
...as we see...on this forum. Clueless children playing with rhetoric, hiding and not doing that well at it, of course. That's the BuckFuck plan. The poster child of Confusion. Thinks he is Loki, no doubt.