White House Response to The New York Times Editorial Board's Call for Federal Marijuana Legalization

Dr Kynes said:

really? it's satire?

i guess those are all satire too?

ohh wait.

they aint.

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and did the "brahmin in chief" fund those 60+ year old propaganda campaigns?

nice try at changing the subject away from your pathetic and hilarious failure.

Dr Kynes said:

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That's the one.

Dr Kynes said:

ORLY?

somebody never tried to quit smoking cigarettes.

nicotine addiction is quite powerful, and it DOES cause physical trauma when you quit.

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For that to debunk me you'd have to believe that no one ever failed a drug test while on probation for weed, knowing it would or could send them back to jail or prison.

I know plenty of people who have kept smoking weed despite quite good incentives not to do so, jail included.

They expressed the intent to do so. Yet they did not.

Now, I'll concede it's quite a bit easier for us to lay down the bong than it is for a crack whore to put down the crack rock.

It's a difference of degree. Weed is about as addictive as cigarettes, maybe caffine, significantly less so than alcohol.

I'll give you the other schedule 1 drugs are order of magnitudes more addictive. But it's only a difference of magnitude.

Weed is indeed addictive.

SmokeyDan said:

For that to debunk me you'd have to believe that no one ever failed a drug test while on probation for weed, knowing it would or could send them back to jail or prison.

I know plenty of people who have kept smoking weed despite quite good incentives to do so, jail included.

They expressed the intent to do so. Yet they did not.

Now, I'll concede it's quite a bit easier for us to lay down the bong than it is for a crack whore to put down the crack rock.

It's a difference of degree. Weed is about as addictive as cigarettes, maybe caffine, significantly less so than alcohol.

I'll give you the other schedule 1 drugs are order of magnitudes more addictive. But it's only a difference of magnitude.

Weed is indeed addictive.

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lotta people drive too fast when their license is hanging by a thread, leave their county while they are on probation, hang out with criminals while on parole, rob liquor stores whehn they already have 2 strikes, etc etc etc.

dumbasses make bad choices, and none of that relates to "addiction", unless you wish to argue that all those things are also "addictive".

youre making yourself sound like an idiot every time you trot out that bullshit "marijuana addiction" story.

Observe & Report said:

You retarded idiot! I'm sorry, that is an insult to legitimately retarded people, but I had to put it into words you would understand. MMYV is clearly a troll!

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as was "reefer madness" and all the rest of the propaganda that has been issued by the government since the 1930's?

or are you trying to argue that their claims are inconsistent with those of harry ainslinger, nancy reagan , tipper gore, eric holder and michelle leonhart?

the govt has repeatedly claimed "marijuana overdoses" cause everything from psychotic episodes, to hospitalization, to murder and violence, and even death.

Dr Kynes said:

lotta people drive too fast when their license is hanging by a thread, leave their county while they are on probation, hang out with criminals while on parole, rob liquor stores whehn they already have 2 strikes, etc etc etc.

dumbasses make bad choices, and none of that relates to "addiction", unless you wish to argue that all those things are also "addictive".

youre making yourself sound like an idiot every time you trot out that bullshit "marijuana addiction" story.

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So is your position that marijuana is lacking in any addictive properties?

I still do not know what it is you are arguing.

It sounds like you like to parse words. You said a moment ago that it can form a psychological dependence in some. That is exactly what addiction is meat head.

Addiction is entirely psychological. The sick feeling people get when they come off of some drugs is not addiction, that is chemical physical dependency.

Folks go to rehab all the time and come out feeling like the did before they ever took anything. But life gets back to normal and very quickly they fall back to their poison, alcohol, cocaine, oxycodone, meth and weed.

Weed will not destroy your life like the others (even alcohol) but that doesn't mean it isn't addictive.

Dr Kynes said:

as was "reefer madness" and all the rest of the propaganda that has been issued by the government since the 1930's?

or are you trying to argue that their claims are inconsistent with those of harry ainslinger, nancy reagan , tipper gore, eric holder and michelle leonhart?

the govt has repeatedly claimed "marijuana overdoses" cause everything from psychotic episodes, to hospitalization, to murder and violence, and even death.

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you made a very specific claim, you blithering fucktard.

here's a reminder of the claim that you are now running away from as fast as your overweight, decrepit old body can take you.

Dr Kynes said:

dont you feel good that The Brahmin In Cheif is using your tax dollars to fund this bullshit and to pay his lying, sack of shit mouthpieces to repeat his absurd beliefs?

Choomboy has decided that "Drugs are bad, MMM'kay!" and is using our own money to push his propaganda down our throats.

apparently when Barry Seotoro smokes weed, thats OK, cuz he is so strong willed and wise, he can handle it, but the rest of us are too weak to restrain ourselves.

he really does think he is better than the rest of us.

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you blaming obama for a 1937 smear campaign now?

priceless.

I have something that I want to confess to all of you. I have been a reefer addict for over 25 years now. I don't know where to turn. I'm afraid that I might get high and do something stupid. I'm also afraid to get stoned. When stoned, I hear voices in my dreams telling me to buy a plow truck. I've tried quitting, but the devils drug has a hold of me. I'm starting to think a lot about winter and snow. I don't know if it's because of skiing or because I might be getting a new truck. Exciting either way. But, all in all, reefer has made me hopeless.

Please pray for me...

SmokeyDan said:

So is your position that marijuana is lacking in any addictive properties?

I still do not know what it is you are arguing.

It sounds like you like to parse words. You said a moment ago that it can form a psychological dependence in some. That is exactly what addiction is meat head.

Addiction is entirely psychological. The sick feeling people get when they come off of some drugs is not addiction, that is chemical physical dependency.

Folks go to rehab all the time and come out feeling like the did before they ever took anything. But life gets back to normal and very quickly they fall back to their poison, alcohol, cocaine, oxycodone, meth and weed.

Weed will not destroy your life like the others (even alcohol) but that doesn't mean it isn't addictive.

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addiction is a PHYSICAL dependence.

without physical dependence you do not have "addiction" you have "habituation", or "preference"

lotsa stuff causes physical dependence, like alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, opioids, amphetamines, cocaine, etc etc etc.

cannabis causes NO SUCH PHYSICAL DEPENDENCE so your narrative is a simple bald faced lie.

with your idiotic "definition", chronic masturbators are "addicted" to jerking off, gamblers are "addicted" to slot machines, etc etc, and all go into withdrawal if they are prevented from doing what they do.

thats patently absurd. they may feel a psychological compulsion, but there is no addiction, because there is no physical dependence.

UncleBuck said:

you made a very specific claim, you blithering fucktard.

here's a reminder of the claim that you are now running away from as fast as your overweight, decrepit old body can take you.



you blaming obama for a 1937 smear campaign now?

priceless.

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those campaigns continue to this day, and bwana obama has not kepot any of his campaign promises, not even his Obamacare promises, since his scheme turns out to be just a racket to ensure greater profits for the insurance companies.

Dr Kynes said:

those campaigns continue to this day, and bwana obama has not kepot any of his campaign promises, not even his Obamacare promises, since his scheme turns out to be just a racket to ensure greater profits for the insurance companies.

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you're an idiot who doesn't know satire from reality.

no wonder you were stocking shelves at walmart when you were my age.

you may have even succeeded in getting dumber over time.

Dr Kynes said:

addiction is a PHYSICAL dependence.

without physical dependence you do not have "addiction" you have "habituation", or "preference"

lotsa stuff causes physical dependence, like alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, opioids, amphetamines, cocaine, etc etc etc.

cannabis causes NO SUCH PHYSICAL DEPENDENCE so your narrative is a simple bald faced lie.

with your idiotic "definition", chronic masturbators are "addicted" to jerking off, gamblers are "addicted" to slot machines, etc etc, and all go into withdrawal if they are prevented from doing what they do.

thats patently absurd. they may feel a psychological compulsion, but there is no addiction, because there is no physical dependence.

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Addiction has nothing to do with physical withdrawal.

Addiction is entirely psychological.

You could take large doses of morphine in the hospital for several days. If they cut you off abruptly you might exhibit high blood pressure, leg cramps, sweats, and diarrhea. You would be physically dependent on morphine. You may or may not be addicted to it.

You're making the very common mistake of thinking of this chemical physical dependence as addiction.

The only reason it is synonymous with addiction is because most addicts to drugs have also created a physical dependency to them.

After a month of rehab, that physical condition is gone. They are still addicts. They have incredibly high relapse rates. Addiction is far more than physical conditions. It's all between the ears.

Dr Kynes said:

those campaigns continue to this day, and bwana obama has not kepot any of his campaign promises, not even his Obamacare promises, since his scheme turns out to be just a racket to ensure greater profits for the insurance companies.

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Read this. It might help clear it up for you.

I like how you claim to have great knowledge on something yet it is revealed your doctoral degree is in shelve stocking from Walton Community College.

"Is there a difference between physical dependence and addiction?

Yes. Addiction—or compulsive drug use despite harmful consequences—is characterized by an inability to stop using a drug; failure to meet work, social, or family obligations; and, sometimes (depending on the drug), tolerance and withdrawal. The latter reflect physical dependence in which the body adapts to the drug, requiring more of it to achieve a certain effect (tolerance) and eliciting drug-specific physical or mental symptoms if drug use is abruptly ceased (withdrawal). Physical dependence can happen with the chronic use of many drugs—including many prescription drugs, even if taken as instructed. Thus, physical dependence in and of itself does not constitute addiction, but it often accompanies addiction. This distinction can be dificult to discern, particularly with prescribed pain medications, for which the need for increasing dosages can represent tolerance or a worsening underlying problem, as opposed to the beginning of abuse or addiction."

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/principles-drug-addiction-treatment-research-based-guide-third-edition/frequently-asked-questions/there-difference-between-physical-dependence



You told me earlier in this thread that addiction has its own meaning and i didn't get to make it up. It looks like that was the only thing you were right about.

That same website says that marijuana can lead to addiction after long term use. No one saying a marijuana addict acts just like a heroin junkie

As if we care what some web site said. This has been known in history as not habit forming for 5000 years. So, bandy your word play all you want while we wonder what the fuck is wrong with you anyway?

Doer said:

As if we care what some web site said. This has been known in history as not habit forming for 5000 years. So, bandy your word play all you want while we wonder what the fuck is wrong with you anyway?

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Addicts are known to be lost in denial.

If you think you're addicted to mj it is more likely that you suffer mental illness. I have to remind other nonmj people of shit all the time.

When I was sick with gut cancer I experienced a short term memory problem. Now that I have this under control my memory is flawless. Forgetfulness cannot/should not be assotiated with mj use.

Ok facts... 40+ years of prohibition and research only to find the reasons why it should be illegal, so far its major concerns are it getting in the hands of minors because of brain development issues, which I might add in 44 years they have not proven this but do suspect it and I can acknowledge that as a issue, drugged driving, and public health even though pulmonary functions appear to remain unaffected by abuse of pot, really? 44 years? Your telling me in 44 years thats all they got? Yet they call for science to fix it? 44 years of blocking progressive research and only allowing studies on negative effects and thats our major concerns? Yet it remains schedule 1, the president acknowledges it is less harmful than alcohol, yet still schedule 1, evidence of progressively helping epilepsy, cancer, wasting, pain, relieving stress, and a wide variety of other ailments from across seas is not called scientific even though those reports are easily available they come from labs, but because its not our governments report (because they prohibit that kinda research) so the evidence that clearly exists is unacceptable, look up marijuana cures cancer on google once, you will find reports that spell out how thc attacks the cancerous cells yet leaves healthy cells unaffected, but because its researched on the other side of the globe its unacceptable here? What sense does that make? OMG the poor police! They will not lose their jobs if pot becomes legal, if anything it would probably be better relations with the average citizen, more time free to pursue people who are actually a threat to society as a whole, they just wouldn't benefit from exploiting loopholes created for them in the justice system, such as asset forfeiture and probable cause, OMG! Yet despite the billions of dollars that we spend on this every year people still try to defend the prohibition of a plant that the human body has adapted a separate network for? We know all this yet still schedule 1. Ok anyway sry about losing sight of the facts I was acting like the federal government for a second, from day 1 that cannabis was actively pursued by our government it has been unjust, by keeping the restrictions we have our very 1st president would have been a felon.... How wrong is that? We've wasted enough lives, time and money on a failed cause, 44 years to be accurate, it remains schedule 1 with no real reason why other than ignorance, fear mongering, and invasion of privacy.

bird mcbride said:

When I was sick with gut cancer I experienced a short term memory problem. Now that I have this under control my memory is flawless. Forgetfulness cannot/should not be assotiated with mj use.

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Disagree...To many times I have gotten high and thought to myself to hide/stash my weed, only to later not remember what the fuck I did with it. Sometimes I remember, most times I come across it looking for something else. Never hide weed when high. If so put it in the same place always.

Jimdamick said:

You are a slave to marijuana, but at least you admit it. Do you ever forget where you left your keys? See, I bet you did, and do so regularly. Most of your memory lapses have to do with your ingestion of cannabis, or early stage Alzheimer's possibly. But, who knows, you might like not remembering what you did yesterday.

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Not quite. Slavery is something imposed on a person against their will and the slave has not voluntarily agreed to the association.

Marijuana use for most people is an enjoyable experience and they indulge on a voluntary basis.

Fuck the car keys....light that mutha up!