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coreywebster

coreywebster

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I think having the MH horizontal lends itself better to flowering plants that you would rotate. Something like the bushes you already have.
But if you plan to train like Sedan or ttystikk and have a wall of bud or a circle of bud then probably better to veg vert too.

I also think you could carry on horizontal though and still be fine with your loss in height.
Ive always had 7ft tents but I can do everything I need in 5ft space, especially since I switched to led and more so started going to town with the super cropping. Having something which looks much like a scrog in canopy depth but without the hassle of training in a net.
I was running coco DTW, not full hydro but I did have the plants on big drain trays high enough to have a small res to catch run off under the trays. Probably about 1 ft of space used below the base of the cloth pots.
Looking at your flowing plants in post 127 you could just splay em after stretch, flatten them right out , you would probably up your yield just doing that alone.
Anyhow, Just my 2pence worth.. bongsmilie
 
Evil-Mobo

Evil-Mobo

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coreywebster said:
I think having the MH horizontal lends itself better to flowering plants that you would rotate. Something like the bushes you already have.
But if you plan to train like Sedan or ttystikk and have a wall of bud or a circle of bud then probably better to veg vert too.

I also think you could carry on horizontal though and still be fine with your loss in height.
Ive always had 7ft tents but I can do everything I need in 5ft space, especially since I switched to led and more so started going to town with the super cropping. Having something which looks much like a scrog in canopy depth but without the hassle of training in a net.
I was running coco DTW, not full hydro but I did have the plants on big drain trays high enough to have a small res to catch run off under the trays. Probably about 1 ft of space used below the base of the cloth pots.
Looking at your flowing plants in post 127 you could just splay em after stretch, flatten them right out , you would probably up your yield just doing that alone.
Anyhow, Just my 2pence worth.. bongsmilie
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Maybe I should do one side vert and keep the one raptor up where it is and see whats up lol.......
 
DST

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ok. so i have always wanted to do what i mentioned in the email and what you said you were planning....but never had the opporchancity!:)
Firstly. You can veg normally under horizontal lights....to a certain degree. I do. Then i "verticalise" the plant using stakes to stretch all the branches back so it looks like its been flattened. You can then train into a net.
I use cheap tomato nets meaning no worries when harvesting as you can cut away at the net and just hang another if left too scraggly. You could have that hung around all the walls of the room/tent. You could then have a middle parting to create the 2 seperate chambers using more netting. Perhaps a double layer with a space between for air flow as you would have 2 plants back to back. Some say rigid nets are best but i find the tomato nets allow the plants to lean forward slightly which gives them some space behind for air flow.
I would then sit a can filter in the middle of each space and if going for 2 lights on each side then i would stack 2 cool tubes on top of this (you can choose if you prefer the fan sucking or blowing through the tubes.) I would use a seperate inline fan for each side to be safe. Then just duct the air out from the top of the tubes out of the tent. Filters on the floor will allow for more height.
Place as many oscillating fans in there as possible. This way you can avoid worrying about heat going up top. With 2 fans you'd be shifting enough air in and out. Plenty air movement always helps in such a small packed space.
I would have 1 to 2 plants per wall depending on strain...i.e my dog fills a wall quicker than its sister strain blue pit or even gg4. As for access. With hydro i guess its a bit more difficult to have mobile plants. Maybe you could do a couple of organic soil plants in there.
Of course the lighing is questionable given the modern tech that is becoming available. However if you want to continue with the hid hps 6s (because we do love our 6s) i would then supplement with cmh/mh for spectrum.
I am off to finish my dram and my joint. Feel free to ask/comment whatev's.
Peace DST
 
Evil-Mobo

Evil-Mobo

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DST said:
ok. so i have always wanted to do what i mentioned in the email and what you said you were planning....but never had the opporchancity!:)
Firstly. You can veg normally under horizontal lights....to a certain degree. I do. Then i "verticalise" the plant using stakes to stretch all the branches back so it looks like its been flattened. You can then train into a net.
I use cheap tomato nets meaning no worries when harvesting as you can cut away at the net and just hang another if left too scraggly. You could have that hung around all the walls of the room/tent. You could then have a middle parting to create the 2 seperate chambers using more netting. Perhaps a double layer with a space between for air flow as you would have 2 plants back to back. Some say rigid nets are best but i find the tomato nets allow the plants to lean forward slightly which gives them some space behind for air flow.
I would then sit a can filter in the middle of each space and if going for 2 lights on each side then i would stack 2 cool tubes on top of this (you can choose if you prefer the fan sucking or blowing through the tubes.) I would use a seperate inline fan for each side to be safe. Then just duct the air out from the top of the tubes out of the tent. Filters on the floor will allow for more height.
Place as many oscillating fans in there as possible. This way you can avoid worrying about heat going up top. With 2 fans you'd be shifting enough air in and out. Plenty air movement always helps in such a small packed space.
I would have 1 to 2 plants per wall depending on strain...i.e my dog fills a wall quicker than its sister strain blue pit or even gg4. As for access. With hydro i guess its a bit more difficult to have mobile plants. Maybe you could do a couple of organic soil plants in there.
Of course the lighing is questionable given the modern tech that is becoming available. However if you want to continue with the hid hps 6s (because we do love our 6s) i would then supplement with cmh/mh for spectrum.
I am off to finish my dram and my joint. Feel free to ask/comment whatev's.
Peace DST
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Is the net/cage a necessity? Can I just do the light in the center of the 4x4 and grow 4 plants in the corners of the 4x4 with stakes?

I went and measured and I would have 5 feet to the ceiling of the tent or subtract a foot with the raptor hoods. This does not account for distance to canopy...........if you look back in this thread I did the walls before but botched the grow letting the plants dry out. I had a 600 bare in the 3x3 but was getting a little burn.........

I'm basically just looking for the best way to use my space without it being a headache. The hydro took away me having to hand water the entire room so.........

And yes I want to use my HPS/Blue MH 600's I am taking down the COB's the plants just don't grow the way I like under LED and there's a couple of other things but I'm not trying to turn this into LED vs HID there's plenty of that shit elsewhere on the forum. I want to and am going to hang both 600's again and I got the Blue MH for veg up already and the T5 in the closet.
 
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Evil-Mobo

Evil-Mobo

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DST said:
You could also do without the netting. it helps to get a more even vertical canopy. But enough stakes and using ties across the stakes also works.
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Ok i ordered one vert mount socket to try bare on one side before spending the $$ on the cool tube just to see how the temps hold up if not I will get two cool tubes in there with both 600's then later see if I need to supplement with more light
 
Evil-Mobo

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Prepping for the new setup little by little. Got the COB's down and left the one ratchet hanger I will need for the vert socket . My veg tent is all clones and I can split them up evenly . I might do one side vert and leave the hood as is to see what performs how with cuts. Then after I can put the other hood up or set the left side up with a vert bulb we shall see decisions decisions.

Friday most likely the stand will get built for the tray on the empty side and I'll get the tray cleaned and the 600 in place as the socket should be here . By mid week next week the right side should be ready for plants but I'm not rushing the plants in veg no need to. So let's see what happens. I want to try bare bulb to see what happens with temps . If not I'll order a cool tube and we can go from there.

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Evil-Mobo

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So I have seen a lot of talk as of late from some of the LED fan boys saying you can't get close to an hps A/C because you'll burn/bleach your plants. These folks have obviously never used an A/C HID because I never get that........ This plant is about 33 days into flower

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Evil-Mobo

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Checked the log we are at 33 days of 12/12 today. Stretch is over so i propped up the two smaller plants up front on empty #3 nursery pots to get them closer to the light . Right at 24" now

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And a view from the Captains chair.....

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zep_lover

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20160128_200629.jpg i veg horizontal and flower vert.i used to use 2 600 hps bare bulb in two 4 foot x4 foot x6 foot high osb cabinets.i had a third cabinet with cool tubes stacked and 2 600 hps in there also.all cabinets had 6 inch vans which i then up graded to 8 inch and bigger filters for better smell and heat.the cool tube cabinet actually ran a few degrees hotter if i remember correctly but all three were very close.all my plants were tied to screens on the walls.was a huge pain to get in and work on.when running vert,training is very important or you will end up with a ton of larf.i now do vert led with 4 cxb lights hanging about 18 inches from my screens.i find access ismuch easier.my patient caused me to start this way due to his bad back.he could roll around on a desk chair and do most of the work.this is one of my hps cabinets
 
zep_lover

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here is another few shots where you can see the filter at the top.very easy to get burned this way trimming and tieing when the lights are on.the back wall was the hardest.hope your tent opens from all sides will make much easier.the plant in front of the door was on a shelf mounted to door.the hydro system is a home made one i learned about on ic mag called a ppk .i also vegged in the cabinet for 3 to 4 weeks before flipping with the hps bulbs to get more stretch.back then i was running alot of strains that did not stretch much till i got gg4.she gives good stretch.
 

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Evil-Mobo

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So my 4x8 has access on all sides............

Was thinking maybe for this vert experience to combine what I wanted to do with your suggestion @DST.........

What if I did hang a trellis in the center to split the tent, and then run net up the back wall and the other side wall on the right, then setup two of the plant in the front with their own support or a tomato cage etc.............? I could access the back wall and the right side from their perspective sides, then access the left side wall from the front and the two front plants would be doing their own thing not on the wall? This should max out space right? Will just take some trial and error with strains to get plants that easily fill the wall. I was thinking since it will be hydro (2) plants per wall and two independent pots on the front ?

Then just hang the 600 in the center of the tray and let her rip.........if it's too hot bare get a cool tube........?

This is where my heads at right now.........

Thoughts?
 
OneHitDone

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The other thing to consider here if your talking a single 600 per 4x4 is "vertical coverage"
For those who have used vertical 600's, how many inches of vertical canopy can Mobo ecpext to have good light coverage on without moving the lamp up and down with a mover etc?
As we see @zep_lover has his lamps double stacked
 
GroErr

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Hey Evil, another twist in the adventures I see, subbed to see this beast!

One thought that came to mind in the latest conversation around the single 600, 2x 315w stacked CMH bulbs would provide nice coverage. Plus it's about the only tech you haven't used in flowering ;)
 
Evil-Mobo

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GroErr said:
Hey Evil, another twist in the adventures I see, subbed to see this beast!

One thought that came to mind in the latest conversation around the single 600, 2x 315w stacked CMH bulbs would provide nice coverage. Plus it's about the only tech you haven't used in flowering ;)
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Not true I loved my.okd sunsytem 315 cmh and only sold it when I switched my old grow to 240v :)

And good to have you tagging along

Actually I think back in this thread is a pic of the 315 over one of my Barney's plants

Edit: Check out page 3 G :)
 
GroErr

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Evil-Mobo said:
Not true I loved my.okd sunsytem 315 cmh and only sold it when I switched my old grow to 240v :)

And good to have you tagging along

Actually I think back in this thread is a pic of the 315 over one of my Barney's plants

Edit: Check out page 3 G :)
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Lol, ok then the new tech is off the table. Still not a bad option, better spread/coverage and close to the same power other than the extra ballast. Only thing is you probably don't have those around and they require those special ballasts...
 
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