CrackerJax
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Our level? Ahhh, but that is because we are driving over an economic precipice and ppl are VERY concerned.
where do you growers here stand politically? conservative or a liberals?
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OregonMeds
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Our level, the governed masses not the governing few.
No matter who's in charge, we aren't leading.
"Ahhh, but that is because we are driving over an economic precipice and ppl are VERY concerned."
Woohoo that's just talking about issues and no partisanship. I like it, I like it a lot.
I don't have an answer but I really really like it thanks.
No matter who's in charge, we aren't leading.
"Ahhh, but that is because we are driving over an economic precipice and ppl are VERY concerned."
Woohoo that's just talking about issues and no partisanship. I like it, I like it a lot.
I don't have an answer but I really really like it thanks.
CrackerJax
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Driving over an economic cliff isn't an issue.
it's everything. U'll see.
it's everything. U'll see.
OregonMeds
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We past that cliff a long time ago wouldn't you say?
I don't think we need to wait to see what'll happen, what's done is done and a shitload of people won't be able to afford shit in the future, I'm right there understanding it with you. Just some of the details we don't agree on like if they should die in the street without health insurance and if all old people should just get lost with their coming problems because they don't have retirements any more just SS and medicaid etc. We just disagree on the little stuff.
I don't think we need to wait to see what'll happen, what's done is done and a shitload of people won't be able to afford shit in the future, I'm right there understanding it with you. Just some of the details we don't agree on like if they should die in the street without health insurance and if all old people should just get lost with their coming problems because they don't have retirements any more just SS and medicaid etc. We just disagree on the little stuff.
Haul me to Heaven
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An evil man has two hands. And on each hand is a puppet- one red and one blue. As he speaks to the children one child will like one puppet better than the other. Others will like a different one but no matter what they evil man - the puppet master, gets HIS wish.
We are being punked by the puppetiers whose puppets are controled by one ideology- Global Government; a new world order.
But I'm not a child. And the puppet master knows this. I can see the stings among other things. I see behind the curtain. I read between the lies.
We are being punked by the puppetiers whose puppets are controled by one ideology- Global Government; a new world order.
But I'm not a child. And the puppet master knows this. I can see the stings among other things. I see behind the curtain. I read between the lies.
"For make no mistake: evil does not exist in the world..." President Barack Obama
iivan740
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Truth be told I find myself on the fence, on this issue i'm conservative and on that issue i'm liberal. Mostly though I just want to be left to my self and I want to keep my money and my job.
For my money Oregonmeds and Haul me to heaven are shooting straight.
CrackerJax has a point also, the governmert has been pushing for US currency devaluation for more than three presidents now, and it looks like it's finally happening. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBS
And yes I know exactly what a conservative is. Look mr craig I don't need no stinkin old paper book check it i've found the internet dictionary:
con·ser·va·tive (k
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adj. 1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. 2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit. 3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate. 4. a. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism. b. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement. 5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada. 6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism. 7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources. n. 1. One favoring traditional views and values. 2. A supporter of political conservatism. 3. Conservative A member or supporter of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada. 4. Archaic A preservative agent or principle.
For my money Oregonmeds and Haul me to heaven are shooting straight.
CrackerJax has a point also, the governmert has been pushing for US currency devaluation for more than three presidents now, and it looks like it's finally happening. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBS
And yes I know exactly what a conservative is. Look mr craig I don't need no stinkin old paper book check it i've found the internet dictionary:
con·ser·va·tive (k
adj. 1. Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. 2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit. 3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate. 4. a. Of or relating to the political philosophy of conservatism. b. Belonging to a conservative party, group, or movement. 5. Conservative Of or belonging to the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada. 6. Conservative Of or adhering to Conservative Judaism. 7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources. n. 1. One favoring traditional views and values. 2. A supporter of political conservatism. 3. Conservative A member or supporter of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada. 4. Archaic A preservative agent or principle.
CrackerJax
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No, not at all. Obama is sealing the deal however. It's a matter of spending versus GDP.
Obama is setting it up to a point of no return in that regard.
He's going to bust us out. Ever watch the Sopranos? Remember when Tony gets a hold of his childhood friends sporting goods store?
Obama is Tony....... without the style or manliness. Naturally Congress is also complicit, but that's what happens when Dem's get full control.
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Obama can't anticipate the turns though...... that's us in the canoe at the end.
Rob Roy
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If you believe that government should force peaceful people to do things there is a place for you in the Republican party or the Democrat party. If the labels "conservative" and "liberal" are code for Republican or Democrat count me out...
Democrats just got their healthcare plan passed by the Senate. If it makes it into law it will jail those who refuse to participate. Democrats relish plans that forcefully redistibute your earnings. Many of them are "anti-war" (or at least they were until Obama showed his true colors) yet they don't mind their own government using force against those in THIS country who simply want to be left alone. Democrats think they can run your life better than you can and foster programs that perpetuate and enable poverty. They think growth of government and the nanny state are "rights".
Many of their programs have similarities with the ten planks of the communist manifesto.
Republicans rail on about "small government" and spending. Yet they support a very costly war(s) and the military industrial complex. They support empire building and misguided pre-emptive war.
Support for jailing marijuana "criminals" that have the audacity to beleive they own their own bodies runs high among Republicans. Republicans pay lip service to budgets when it comes to world domination. They point to Reagan as a god, yet he pushed the "war on drugs" to the point that the USA now imprisons more of it's citizens percentage wise than any other country in the world. That's not freedom, not even close. You either own your body or THEY do. If THEY do, you are not free.
I am continually amused how people blindly follow party lines and seem to have no core philosophy. Okay I'm done for now...Carry on.
Democrats just got their healthcare plan passed by the Senate. If it makes it into law it will jail those who refuse to participate. Democrats relish plans that forcefully redistibute your earnings. Many of them are "anti-war" (or at least they were until Obama showed his true colors) yet they don't mind their own government using force against those in THIS country who simply want to be left alone. Democrats think they can run your life better than you can and foster programs that perpetuate and enable poverty. They think growth of government and the nanny state are "rights".
Many of their programs have similarities with the ten planks of the communist manifesto.
Republicans rail on about "small government" and spending. Yet they support a very costly war(s) and the military industrial complex. They support empire building and misguided pre-emptive war.
Support for jailing marijuana "criminals" that have the audacity to beleive they own their own bodies runs high among Republicans. Republicans pay lip service to budgets when it comes to world domination. They point to Reagan as a god, yet he pushed the "war on drugs" to the point that the USA now imprisons more of it's citizens percentage wise than any other country in the world. That's not freedom, not even close. You either own your body or THEY do. If THEY do, you are not free.
I am continually amused how people blindly follow party lines and seem to have no core philosophy. Okay I'm done for now...Carry on.
CrackerJax
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Conservative and liberal are simply political spectrum. they exist in BOTH parties.
Same with Independents and everyone else. No party is that polarized to one slant of ideology.
Wars are costly, but not fighting them can be even costlier.
Same with Independents and everyone else. No party is that polarized to one slant of ideology.
Wars are costly, but not fighting them can be even costlier.
Rob Roy
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While they may exist in both parties, I'm confident if smeone proclaims themselves as a "liberal" they are generally perceived as Democrat etc.
Neither party is consistent with freedom is my point. Both the Republicans and Democrats demonstrate this by their actions, as I rail on about above.
Wars are costly. They cost money, human life and set the stage for future aggression. They are the extreme extension of government attempting to control others through force. Admittedly there are times when a person or a nation should defend themselves. Defending this country seems to have morphed into defending "national interests"...like controlling a region that has oil or a strategic canal.
The United States has appointed itself
world police, I think that is irrefutable. To not expect unintended consequences from that role is very short sighted.
CrackerJax
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It's a matter of degrees and there has been some polarization recently in the last decade or so. Most of the conservative dem's have left the party and most of the liberal Repukes have done the same.
It's a sign of political decay, but so is the Obama administration.
The USA has certainly NOT appointed itself....but it does protect it's own interest, which are many and far afield of home. By the way, if we don't stay proactive, some other country will. That's what it's all about. Who's in charge....
So whom do you pick as our successor? Who will treat the world better than the USA?? I am curious to that answer.
It's a sign of political decay, but so is the Obama administration.
The USA has certainly NOT appointed itself....but it does protect it's own interest, which are many and far afield of home. By the way, if we don't stay proactive, some other country will. That's what it's all about. Who's in charge....
So whom do you pick as our successor? Who will treat the world better than the USA?? I am curious to that answer.
JimmyPot
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Finland maybe ha ha
CrackerJax
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Finland would be a great choice, but I'll just figure it will be China, since they are pushing towards it like a rising tide.
I won't live to see it, but perhaps you will. good luck!!
I won't live to see it, but perhaps you will. good luck!!
Rob Roy
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We disagree that the USA hasn't given itself special privleges it would deny other countries...I present the Monroe Doctrine, Nuclear weapons, and the occupation of so many other countries (130 or so) as evidence.
On one hand you seem to say we don't try to police the world, then you say "if we don't stay proactive..."
I agree the world situation is difficult and scary. To some innocent people the USA's foreign policy of pre-emptive war is the reason the world is scary. Nothing like having your sunday dinner interupted by a bomb from above.
We are at a point where the technology exists to do great damage, yet the world's maturity not to kill each other lags behind. I am A bit pessimistic that another world war will be avoided. The USA will likely not fare as well in that one, because the technology to strike targets here is out there, where it wasn't before. That is frightening. I'm afraid alot of people in the USA will see the horrors of war up close and personal. I do not hope for that, I fear it.
I do not pick any country as the USA's successor to world domination. I don't see it as an "either us or somebody else" kind of situation ideally. Although by perpetuating the superpower status the USA has made it seem as if that role is a necessary one. China seems to have become the $$ power, but holding so much debt in U.S. dollars may back fire on them. I don't know if China has future designs on empire similar to what the USA has now or not. I think the USA still has adequate military capacity to maintain the role of world military police, but the money thing will (already has?) not permit this to continue much longer, not to mention domestic disagreements with a war policy are problematic to maintaining that role.
Granted there are many other countries that I would not want to see as the world police. Perhaps my problem is I fail to recognize while I am happy leaving others alone, that many other people and governments aren't...including the USA.
On one hand you seem to say we don't try to police the world, then you say "if we don't stay proactive..."
I agree the world situation is difficult and scary. To some innocent people the USA's foreign policy of pre-emptive war is the reason the world is scary. Nothing like having your sunday dinner interupted by a bomb from above.
We are at a point where the technology exists to do great damage, yet the world's maturity not to kill each other lags behind. I am A bit pessimistic that another world war will be avoided. The USA will likely not fare as well in that one, because the technology to strike targets here is out there, where it wasn't before. That is frightening. I'm afraid alot of people in the USA will see the horrors of war up close and personal. I do not hope for that, I fear it.
I do not pick any country as the USA's successor to world domination. I don't see it as an "either us or somebody else" kind of situation ideally. Although by perpetuating the superpower status the USA has made it seem as if that role is a necessary one. China seems to have become the $$ power, but holding so much debt in U.S. dollars may back fire on them. I don't know if China has future designs on empire similar to what the USA has now or not. I think the USA still has adequate military capacity to maintain the role of world military police, but the money thing will (already has?) not permit this to continue much longer, not to mention domestic disagreements with a war policy are problematic to maintaining that role.
Granted there are many other countries that I would not want to see as the world police. Perhaps my problem is I fail to recognize while I am happy leaving others alone, that many other people and governments aren't...including the USA.
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Illegal Smile
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Ron Paul is a sack of shit and if Ronald Reagan rose from the grave and picked him as his running mate I would vote against that ticket. Nothing has convinced me of that more than the posts by Rob Roy. Rah Rah Ron Rob Roy. Shallow, foolish isolationists. We've always had them, 200 years ago we had them. They were insignificant then and they remain so today.
Rob Roy
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So the answer is not free trade, free enterprise, free market, and peace? It is perpetual war? I am not opposed to defense. I am opposed to perpetual war and empire.
I am not a fan of government, but I do think if you're going to have a Constitution it might be a good idea to follow it. So tell me again why we attacked Afghanistan and Iraq?
Ronald Reagan was a sound bite guy, he said some nice things... but he pushed the "war on drugs" reason enough for me to discard him in favor of ole shit sack Ron Paul who isn't a hypocrite and actually BELIEVES when government expands liberty contracts. Reagan said it, yet his actions disprove he believed it.
I'm surprised that an ahem PHD in economics such as yourself isn't more of a fan of a free market proponent like Ron Paul, but to each his own.
CrackerJax
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Every country has it's destiny in its own hands. Life is what you make of it.
Most countries don't give rights to their own ppl. We do....
Most countries have atrocious human rights. We don't.....
Most countries aren't spoiled by this largess ... We are.....
And that explains alot of ur postings.....
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Ron Paul doesn't have the faintest idea what makes global free markets work and neither do you.