where did you last find legit LSD

MrEDuck said:

Sigma. Literally the standard by which all other LSD is judged.

The Pickard bust actually did very little affect on the supply and quality of LSD. He hadn't cooked in at least 2 years, even the DEA acknowledges that. Many producers were already in Canada and/or producing other chems with less penalties and easier to obtain precursors. In the late nineties you could literally order sassafras oil by the 55gal drum with no worries. Even in the early 2000s you could get it by the drum pretty safely. Things that had a much bigger impact on the supply of LSD: The death of Jerry Garcia and the retirement of many of the elder generation of Family. Then in 2000 Phish went on hiatus. What had more of an impact on the LSD market of the new millennium, the bust of a guy just getting his lab back up and running or the loss of the replacement for the means of distribution of massive quantities of LSD? The loss of a single chemist, even at the scale of Pickard isn't enough to damage the market that much. When Sand got busted in '96 the market barely felt it at all. And he was running kilogram scale production as well.
Do people really believe that Pickard was the only acid chemist in whole fucking world? No, he's just the only one the DEA ever busted and they made a huge deal out of it because there haven't been very many LSD lab busts and he had a shitload of precursors.

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Sigma-Aldrich Lsd gets out to the public? Are you saying you have had it? Wow. I don't believe you, haha. Seriously though, in the friendliest way possible...you're full of shit.

The DEA became when numerous drug agencies (of which had made lab busts, including Sands, Scully, and Owsley) combined under one agency to become more effective. And actually, it was a result of an arrest made by one of these agencies of Sands and Scully. So, calling it the DEAs first bust is a technicality.

I did not say chemists fled to Canada after the Pickard Bust. ?. Chemists have left the US for Canada to make different drugs. Nick Sands, who you speak of, was one of them.

You are kinda jumping from A to D on this one. Plus, the idea that lsd distribution is limited to some music sub-culture is arrogant as all fuck, to say the least. "The family" thing, probably some stories made up while waiting in line for a shitty grilled cheese sandwich. How was that sammich?

I was not necessarily saying that the lack of product from that specific lab greatly affected the quality of lsd in the US. However, The market is effected even if the arrest is all just for show. Distribution networks get cracked up, i would think. People get worried about how they are connected, i would think. People get nervous, i would think.
The ripple effect of the arrest I am sure had an effect reaching way further than the short term of some kids pocket at a Phish show. I do believe most of the LSD available has been made by a handful of chemists. Also, if we were talking about the affect on the market limited to the supply from a single chemist... that supply would probably last a bit of time. I would guess most chemists are operating for short amounts of time and taking long breaks. I would bet on it. Pickard lsd probably floated around for years after. I doubt that the bottleneck in lsd manufacturing and distribution is the lack of a jam band to distribute through. That's comical. There are a few more places to send lsd than to concerts. I mean really, Americas stash was in a van going from city to city following the Dead? If The Grateful Dead was carrying that kind of weight... Jerry stripped the "hardest working man in show biz" title from James Brown.

I don't think anyone thinks that Pickard was the only chemist in the world. I understand you did not mean it literally, but sort of a way to drive a point home or flex some knowledge of the situation.

Having been shut down for "2 years" means nothing. Jesus. If anyone on his scale was at it 24/7... we would have to filter our tap water of lsd before drinking it. A couple months in operation creates enough lsd to take a break. I really doubt anyone is sitting in a lab operating until a short 1 week break for christmas. It would be a little different than pumping out 4 harvests in one year. I had thought it was something like 6 weeks was a productive go.?
Your idea that he was "just setting back up" (even though HE was not) is irrelevant to what he was producing, what is in the market, and who else is producing. I am not going to claim that the story that is out there for anyone to read is even true. But it is out there.

Personally, I believe "the family" is a fairytale. I mean yeah, there are people who have been in that game for a long time. Some of them have children who are still in it... But "the family" is like little green martians. People call it by name and have a picture of what it is because someone/something planted that image in their mind. But in reality, life on mars is something completely different. It does exist, but it's not some story you read on a message board, or hear George Noory talk about or through a mouth full of oil, white bread and cheese.

In the case of "The Family" that you speak of... it was the message board post describing the grades of crystal and talking about being a member of "the family", the different "families", all night hotel spreading of crystal, and the "thumbprint" experience. It was written in a very short story sort of way, anonymous, and was a good read, as fiction. It was fun... It's evident many have made it into lore. Find any written information about "the family" prior to that famous post. Good luck,
... little green men, late night am radio, nessie.

Did I say I dosed it? No. It was ordered as a standard for use in a forensic chemistry class that I was a TA in. However it was the most legit LSD I've ever encountered. At least that's what the NMR and GC/MS results said.

As far as the commentary regarding Pickard and the effects of his arrest on the supply of LSD in the US it's a topic of great interest to me, as is the clandestine synthesis of LSD in general.
I'm not talking about the infamous chinacat72 post, but if you don't think that there was a huge amount of LSD on Dead tour you're just being silly. I know plenty of older Deadheads and I've heard way too many stories about how they used to dose to have any trouble believing that there was enough acid on tour to supply every city they stopped in. The way the touring Deadheads moved in large packs provided a hell of a lot of safety from being stopped by LEOs moving from show to show.
I agree with the idea that large scale cooks probably do very few batches in a year. When Sand was busted by the Canadians he admitted to only working a few months a year. A kilogram of LSD is a lot of acid. But LSD isn't known for it's shelf life. Even in amber glass and under an argon atmosphere the stuff doesn't last that long. And once made into liquid or laid on blotter or gel it loses potency pretty fast. There wasn't any extra Pickard acid floating around for years after the bust. He's the only one who really knows when he last cooked, but he was pretty busy during the years prior to getting involved at the missile silo. So it could have been a much longer time than two years.
Additionally if one looks at data regarding drug related hospitalizations and the DEA's monitoring the future surveys you can see that the drops in the use of LSD didn't really coincide with the Pickard bust. Yes the batch that could have been made with the precursors he was arrested with could have flooded the country for several months, but that would have ended a drought, so his bust couldn't have started one.

People spent years seeing Elvis after he died. Why no Jerry! Fuck! (this rant is 90% music related!)

I think Dead fans are a lot more likely than Elvis fans to just write it off as a hallucination.

I try, I swear I do. To hallucinate him that is. Love all the post Grateful bands and all but just does not quite work the same way. Last Furthur I show was weak, really weak. And from what people been telling me this tour didn't start to strong either. I give them credit for keepin it alive but would really like to see some of the younger guys stepping it up a notch!

Latest encounter with LSD was August 4th at a friends house party down in DC. Bought two tabs for $10. I took one and at first I thought they were fake since nothing was happening so as I was about to go confront the dude when all of the sudden all the walls in the house were turning neon blue and bright green. I was like "Woaah...". It took about 80 minutes total for it to start. It was a bit longish if you ask me but I was also a little drunk and high as fuck, since every there was smoking on some bammer. Ended up taking the second tab that same night about 3 hours after taking the first. It was probably one of the funnest nights I ever lived.

HeartlandHank I totally understand where your coming from. Props on spreading the knowledge to others.

MrEDuck said:

Did I say I dosed it? No. It was ordered as a standard for use in a forensic chemistry class that I was a TA in. However it was the most legit LSD I've ever encountered. At least that's what the NMR and GC/MS results said.

As far as the commentary regarding Pickard and the effects of his arrest on the supply of LSD in the US it's a topic of great interest to me, as is the clandestine synthesis of LSD in general.
I'm not talking about the infamous chinacat72 post, but if you don't think that there was a huge amount of LSD on Dead tour you're just being silly. I know plenty of older Deadheads and I've heard way too many stories about how they used to dose to have any trouble believing that there was enough acid on tour to supply every city they stopped in. The way the touring Deadheads moved in large packs provided a hell of a lot of safety from being stopped by LEOs moving from show to show.
I agree with the idea that large scale cooks probably do very few batches in a year. When Sand was busted by the Canadians he admitted to only working a few months a year. A kilogram of LSD is a lot of acid. But LSD isn't known for it's shelf life. Even in amber glass and under an argon atmosphere the stuff doesn't last that long. And once made into liquid or laid on blotter or gel it loses potency pretty fast. There wasn't any extra Pickard acid floating around for years after the bust. He's the only one who really knows when he last cooked, but he was pretty busy during the years prior to getting involved at the missile silo. So it could have been a much longer time than two years.
Additionally if one looks at data regarding drug related hospitalizations and the DEA's monitoring the future surveys you can see that the drops in the use of LSD didn't really coincide with the Pickard bust. Yes the batch that could have been made with the precursors he was arrested with could have flooded the country for several months, but that would have ended a drought, so his bust couldn't have started one.

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You seem pretty informed on the subject. I'll take your word for it on the Pickard no effect thing.
So your conclusion is that the decline in LSD quality was due to having the Dead>Phish distribution network cut-off?
Sounds like a reasonable explanation. Perhaps chemists were tied into that distribution network for a long time and did not care to look for another.
LSD can be kept quite easily, with no chemistry knowledge, for 2 years without losing noticeable potency. light proof, air tight, freezer. Probably longer, but I can confirm 2 years as I have seen it.
You want to make sure that you let the container and contents reach room temp before opening to prevent condensation on the goods. Other than that, it's pretty easy.

It's not just the loss of tour, there's a few reasons. In the early to mid 90s other synthetic drugs skyrocketed in popularity providing clandestine chemists with new synthetic targets with easier to obtain precursors and lower penalties. The advent of the triptan class of antimigraine medication greatly reduced the amount of Cafergot prescribed which wiped out small scale labs. Also even if the problem was Pickard's bust the other major cooks should have stepped up production to fill the gaps in supply in the last decade.

I'd say it's tied in with the dead and phish... Just look at the last 3 years as evidence... The faucet is back on, coincidentally members of the grateful dead are touring together again EXTENSIVELY, and phish is back. Shit was pretty scarce '00-'05, and since '09, quality and quantity has increased markedly.

so Grateful

So I was cruising along today, listening to the local college station, just flicked in on, and got hit with a hell of a jam. It took me about 3 minutes before it clicked: Terrapin Station!

When I was 13 and a young derelict, my elder brother (and derelict) and I used my dad's credit card to by a bunch of tapes. Yes, Pink Floyd, and the Dead was the sound track to my 1st 8 hour LSD experience.

Ahh, good times.

I last found legit LSD at SR. Still there.

I last bought lsd in 1999 from a friend in Kalamazoo that was bringing back loads from cali. He had liquid,paper,gelcaps, and microdot in mass quanities. I would buy 5 sheets for $500, he once told me he only sold such small quanities to me because he liked me.Thanks T.

Dark net, my friend.

at a rave back in 1992 i think

I'm pleased to say I got a vial today! It's the first lucy I've had in 6-7 months, after having it anytime I wanted for a few years. Hopefully it's good. The guy didn't even know the strength... but he's a long time acquaintance and wouldn't throw an RC at me and call it lucy. I had to pay a pretty penny for it too..... 550!

Lookin forward to that rob zombie/manson show in orlando

Skuxx said:

I'm pleased to say I got a vial today! It's the first lucy I've had in 6-7 months, after having it anytime I wanted for a few years. Hopefully it's good. The guy didn't even know the strength... but he's a long time acquaintance and wouldn't throw an RC at me and call it lucy. I had to pay a pretty penny for it too..... 550!

Lookin forward to that rob zombie/manson show in orlando

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nice, i got to check and see if that show is coming near me as well.. i saw rob zombie open up for ozzy a few years ago and he put on an incredible show..
i always liked him, but wouldn't call myself a fan, but after seeing him live, i feel much differently..

racerboy71 said:

nice, i got to check and see if that show is coming near me as well.. i saw rob zombie open up for ozzy a few years ago and he put on an incredible show..
i always liked him, but wouldn't call myself a fan, but after seeing him live, i feel much differently..

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yeah I'm not a huge fan. He has a few cool songs that are powerful... but I heard he puts on a crazy show. I'm not a huge fan on manson either..... but he also has some good songs. It should be fun. Especially with some lucy on sweettarts.

edit, coming this week.. looks like most of the "good " seats are already sold out as well..

i'm not a very big fan of this venue either, guess i'm going to pass, which sucks as i was looking forward to checking out the freak show..