when is it too late to harvest?

thanks but no danks

thanks but no danks

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i wish i had some pics today but sadly i do not, hopefully can post some tomorrow as they are in the deep woods and its dark

anyways, i had a bit of a light issue this year, thought it would be suficient light, but apparently not, so i want the most potency and yield possible

also, i actually prefer couch lock so im not too worried about having any cloudy trich's a;; amber is a ok with me :)

basicly what im asking is, when the plant hits ideal harvesting time (50 % cloudy, 50 % amber, brown receeded pistils), how long can you hold off harvest until its too late and loses potency?also is the time between peak and too late a long time frame? or if i miss it by a day am i fucked?

like this (not my plant just and example)

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along with your explanations if you have a pic of a plant that its too late for that would be AMAZINGLY helpful

i just want the most out of my ladies since i know i wont get such a great yield :/
 
k0ijn

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
Ideal harvesting time, if you measure that based on maximum THC content, is 100% cloudy.

Once the trichomes turn amber the THC is degraded into CBN which isn't as psychoactive as THC.
 
thanks but no danks

thanks but no danks

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k0ijn said:
Ideal harvesting time, if you measure that based on maximum THC content, is 100% cloudy.

Once the trichomes turn amber the THC is degraded into CBN which isn't as psychoactive as THC.
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i know but as i stated i like a couch lock high becuase if i want to have a head high i would just go fro shrooms lol, plus the cbn is one of the things that causes sleepyness and seeing as how i have insomnia i prefer weed that knocks me out :D

but no answers to my questions? :( , i know your trying to help but i really just want to know how long they can go before its too late, becuase im pretty sure i could harvest now but i would like to be able to hold it off until friday morning when im off and all the neighbors are at work and wont wonder why im carrying sacs out of the woods haha

im a first time grower, so im not sure how it works, can 2 days cause a durastic change or do i have nothing to worry about?

and actually seeing as how its early thurs morning i guess it will only be about 1 day :p
 
Green Please

Green Please

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I would just harvest it when its 50/50 or has "the look" and i dont think that two days would do
too much but if you think about it, everyday over 50/50 your losing thc that you want. dont
wait too long to have the thc degrade it will just make your bud less potent,if you want a good
couch lock find a indica dominant strain. get some pics up! and i think waiting till friday is a good idea in your case
 
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thanks but no danks

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Green Please said:
I would just harvest it when its 50/50 or has "the look" and i dont think that two days would do
too much but if you think about it, everyday over 50/50 your losing thc that you want. dont
wait too long to have the thc degrade it will just make your bud less potent,if you want a good
couch lock find a indica dominant strain. get some pics up! and i think waiting till friday is a good idea in your case
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well this started as a joke on 420 with some bag seed, i never intended on carrying it out at first so i didnt really have a choice haha, but it is true that cbn will give you more of a couch lock so i dont mind it being on the ambery side for some more cbn potency

and ok thats good i can wait a day or 2, im just not to familiar with the time frame, seeing as how 2 days ago was all white hairs then i go back today and they were almost completely different plants 0.o

and yeah i woulda had my camera had i known they would look like that, plans are pics and bringing back some sample for microscopic reviews tomorrow night :p

and if you guys says to harvest her based on the pics and im satisfied with the trichs then friday will be the day i have been wait so long for :) (not really then i have a week of drying and a planned 2 months on curing xD)
 
k0ijn

k0ijn

Scientia Cannabis
I am just trying to help but it seems like you have a misunderstanding with regards to the substances in Cannabis and how they work mate.

CBN is not "the thing" that makes you couch-lock stoned.
THC is the primary substance contributing to the stone.

Wether it's a head-high or a couch-lock depends on:

Strain
Sativa (energetic / head-high) vs. Indica (body stone / couch-lock)
CBD to THC ratio
And a few other things.


I will post some info and hopefully that'll clear up a lot of the confusion :)





THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) gets a user high, a larger THC content will produce a stronger high. Without THC you don't get high.

CBD (Cannabidiol) increases some of the effects of THC and decreases other effects of THC. High levels of THC and low levels of CBD contribute to a strong, clear headed, more energetic high.

Cannabis that has a high level of both THC and CBD will produce a strong head-stone that feels almost dreamlike. Cannabis that has low levels of THC and high levels of CBD produces more of a buzz or stoned feeling. The mind feels dull and the body feels tired.

CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high.

CBN levels can be kept to a minimum by storing cannabis products in a dark, cool, airtight environment. Marijuana should be dry prior to storage, and may have to be dried again after being stored somewhere that is humid.

THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin) is found primarily in strains of African and Asian cannabis. THCV increases the speed and intensity of THC effects, but also causes the high to end sooner. Weed that smells strong (prior to smoking) might indicate a high level of THCV.

CBC (Cannabichromene) is probably not psychoactive in pure form but is thought to interact with THC to enhance the high.

CBL (Cannabicyclol) is a degradative product like CBN. Light converts CBC to CBL.



Those are the main substances in Cannabis (there are a lot more).

The ones you need to concern yourself with are;

THC
CBD
CBN


You need to make sure you harvest your plant as close to 100% THC level as possible with as little CBN as possible.
Wether you want a strain which can produce a lot of CBD and thereby contribute and/or alter the high is a personal preference more than anything.


THC:

Delta 9-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-9 THC is the main psychotomimetic (mindbending) ingredient of marijuana. Estimates state that 70 to 100 percent of the marijuana high results from the delta-9 THC present. It occurs in almost all cannabis in concentrations that vary from traces to about 95 percent of all the cannabinoids in the sample.



CBD:

Cannabidiol - CBD also occurs in almost all strains. Concentration range from none, to about 95 percent of the total cannabinoids present. THC and CBD are the two most abundant naturally occurring cannabinoids. CBD is not psychotomimetic in the pure form, although it does have sedative, analgesic, and antibiotic properties.

In order for CBD to affect the high, THC must be present in quantities ordinarily psychoactive. CBD can contribute to the high by interacting with THC to potentiate (enhance) or antagonize (interfere or lessen) certain qualities of the high.



CBN:

Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.

Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.

In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.




I hope that helps, please don't hesitate to ask away if there is anything that doesn't make sense :joint:
 
thanks but no danks

thanks but no danks

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k0ijn said:
I am just trying to help but it seems like you have a misunderstanding with regards to the substances in Cannabis and how they work mate.

CBN is not "the thing" that makes you couch-lock stoned.
THC is the primary substance contributing to the stone.

Wether it's a head-high or a couch-lock depends on:

Strain
Sativa (energetic / head-high) vs. Indica (body stone / couch-lock)
CBD to THC ratio
And a few other things.


I will post some info and hopefully that'll clear up a lot of the confusion :)





THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) gets a user high, a larger THC content will produce a stronger high. Without THC you don't get high.

CBD (Cannabidiol) increases some of the effects of THC and decreases other effects of THC. High levels of THC and low levels of CBD contribute to a strong, clear headed, more energetic high.

Cannabis that has a high level of both THC and CBD will produce a strong head-stone that feels almost dreamlike. Cannabis that has low levels of THC and high levels of CBD produces more of a buzz or stoned feeling. The mind feels dull and the body feels tired.

CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high.

CBN levels can be kept to a minimum by storing cannabis products in a dark, cool, airtight environment. Marijuana should be dry prior to storage, and may have to be dried again after being stored somewhere that is humid.

THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin) is found primarily in strains of African and Asian cannabis. THCV increases the speed and intensity of THC effects, but also causes the high to end sooner. Weed that smells strong (prior to smoking) might indicate a high level of THCV.

CBC (Cannabichromene) is probably not psychoactive in pure form but is thought to interact with THC to enhance the high.

CBL (Cannabicyclol) is a degradative product like CBN. Light converts CBC to CBL.



Those are the main substances in Cannabis (there are a lot more).

The ones you need to concern yourself with are;

THC
CBD
CBN


You need to make sure you harvest your plant as close to 100% THC level as possible with as little CBN as possible.
Wether you want a strain which can produce a lot of CBD and thereby contribute and/or alter the high is a personal preference more than anything.


THC:

Delta 9-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-9 THC is the main psychotomimetic (mindbending) ingredient of marijuana. Estimates state that 70 to 100 percent of the marijuana high results from the delta-9 THC present. It occurs in almost all cannabis in concentrations that vary from traces to about 95 percent of all the cannabinoids in the sample.



CBD:

Cannabidiol - CBD also occurs in almost all strains. Concentration range from none, to about 95 percent of the total cannabinoids present. THC and CBD are the two most abundant naturally occurring cannabinoids. CBD is not psychotomimetic in the pure form, although it does have sedative, analgesic, and antibiotic properties.

In order for CBD to affect the high, THC must be present in quantities ordinarily psychoactive. CBD can contribute to the high by interacting with THC to potentiate (enhance) or antagonize (interfere or lessen) certain qualities of the high.



CBN:

Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.

Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.

In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.




I hope that helps, please don't hesitate to ask away if there is anything that doesn't make sense :joint:
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no misunderstanding here, i did research and several studies showed that cbn seems to actually be the link to the couch lock high you get from more aged pot, hence it coming from the breaking down of thc

and from what i understand its accepted that white/cloudy means high thc which means more psychoactiv effects, and dark amber means high cbn, which causes a couch lock

of course the legitamency of both of our findings could be questioned, but it just seems to me that if you get more cbn from the broken down thc, what other links are there to the couch lock than that?

CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high.
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that statement kinda says it there, although i wouldnt say messed up, i actually prefer that kind of high
also although i have never grown, ive smoked alot of home grown, and i can say from personal experience that the weed i smoked with amber trichs gave me couch effect and the clear trich bud gave me more of a head high

and im not trying to argue, i am purely saying this as a this is what i have been told kind of thing, i value your opinion and will probably do further research now haha
its the fact that not enough proper scientific studies have been done to find EVERYTHING about marijuana out, but there are alot more studies going on lately and soon we will know all the facts 100 %
 
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SCT1984

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thanks but no danks said:
CBN (Cannabinol) is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high.
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that statement kinda says it there, although i wouldnt say messed up, i actually prefer that kind of high
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"messed up" - sounds so scientific lol That's what I'm strugging with now.. would like to chop now, but am waiting until I've got mostly amber.
 
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