When/How Much Defoliation?

Discussion in 'General Marijuana Growing' started by grandvapor, Mar 3, 2018.

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    sparkygeek

    sparkygeek Well-Known Member

    I consider defoliating the act of removing leaves... I cut branches off the bottom... Sure, there are leaves on the branches but the leaves are being removed only because they're attached to bud sites that, once removed, allow more energy to be focused on higher bud sites... I do remove damaged or diseased leaves but in general I consider the leaves as providing energy to the flowers so, in this case, leaving the leaves and cutting lower branches actually do the same thing, provide more energy to the bud... I consider defoliating as taking energy away from the flower... I regard the act of defoliating as counter-productive to getting the biggest bud... I don't take the word offensively at all.

    With my HPS grows I lose a lot of leaves when I switch to flower... If I were to take all the fan leaves off, the plant would not be able to respond as well to spikes in energy demand... Once the fan leaves are gone, the sugar leaves become the next primary source in order to cover increased energy demands of the bud... I'm sure outdoor and LED grows have different considerations.
     
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    grandvapor

    grandvapor Active Member

    470 PPM out of the tap.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    If you prune trim defoliate you still removed material from the plant

    Telling your self its not defoliating doesnt make it so

    I totally agree it redirects energy to the higher bud sites

    Which i thought i explained earlier as weed is an atypical plant it will send its energy to the higest level .

    Im not trying to sound like a dick and i apologize if thats the way it comes out.:)


    But its funny when people say they dont defoliate ..... yet they remove the bottom third off the plant :)
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Its semantics at its finest
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Leaves are needed more outdoors because the sun has the power to penetrate much deeper then any grow light can.


    In nature leaves fall off .

    In a dialed setup in hydro 0 leaves fall not even cotyledons.


    Again i have taken MUTLIPLE buckets worth of leaves off the big girl in the back .

    In fact if you visit my journal ill be posting a defoliation picture 2 weeks into flower as i stop plucking at 3 weeks:)
     
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    grandvapor

    grandvapor Active Member

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    This tap water wrecked my last coco grow. Had to buy an RO Buddie on Amazon. Best 60 bucks I ever spent. Get's me down to 8 ppm.
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    "i had to go buy another 5 gallon bucket to halve the solution"....you had to go buy another bucket, not a 5 gallon bucket of RO water....i'm slow sometimes.....i thought you had to go buy 5 gallons of RO water....:oops:
     
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    grandvapor

    grandvapor Active Member

    Sorry I may not have written that post clearly. RO for the win though!
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    no, don't blame yourself....
    i have an ro system, but i just use it for the humidifier mostly, i'm lucky, the city water here bounces between 120 ppm the day after they treat the water, down to about 20 right before they do it again, about once a week.
     
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    Johnny Lawrence

    Johnny Lawrence Well-Known Member

    We wish out here. SD water is closer to 4 to 500 ppm. From what I've read, Long Beach clocks in at 6 to 700 ppm.

    Our water is glittery.
     
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    grandvapor

    grandvapor Active Member

    Yeah I think my cities' reservoir must be on a bed of limestone or something. 470 ppm sucks. I don't even use it for coffee or soup. Ice tastes like shit.
     
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    Johnny Lawrence

    Johnny Lawrence Well-Known Member

    My HydroLogic brings it down to about 20 ppm when the filters are brand new.
     
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    grandvapor

    grandvapor Active Member

    I'm super happy with this RO system. It was like 65 bucks on Amazon. I bought a shower diverter and an adapter at Menards so I can run the filter from my shower with a valve. I've done at least a hundred gallons through it and it's still holding steady at 8 ppm without the de-ionizing filter.

    https://www.amazon.com/Aquatic-Life...qid=1520310343&sr=8-1&keywords=ro+buddie&th=1
     
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    grandvapor

    grandvapor Active Member

    Wow I guess it's finally starting to wear out...

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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    My well is at 180ppm 7.5ph

    Yea @400+ you definitely need hard water nutes :)
     
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    Johnny Lawrence

    Johnny Lawrence Well-Known Member

    HydroLogic RO 1000 handles the job. Though I have to swap the filters out once a year and they're expensive af.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Thanks bro i got a tiny in home ro machine i just havent hooked it up my well ppm is mostly iron and calcium.
    Not too bad but never tried ro either to be fair :)
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    ro water is just water you need to add cal-mag to. people talk about it like it's some kind of alchemical reagent, it's just water with very little dissolved solids. actually not even good for your plants till you add stuff to it, can cause reverse osmosis if you use it on plants straight
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Agreed if you can run your tap run it .


    Anything over 250 ppms and i would be getting a gard water formula or have your water tested and omit those elements from a salt based nutrient.

    Although you cant beat ro for leaching calcuim and flushing nutes right outa your plant haha :)
     
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    Terry385

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