When did you start noticing trolls online pushing propaganda?

hanimmal

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I have been trying to figure it out myself, and figured I would toss this out here. I remember having a computer that I could use the internet at work on for the first time around 2006ish. I started out using it to learn vendor products and 'opposition' research and stumbled into posting in the trade websites. From there came politics researching online.

Shortly after going down the rabbit hole of link suggestions by 'people' I was chatting with I ended up finding my way to the South African racist propaganda stories and learned about Stormfront. So somewhere between 2006-2009 I know that there was all types of conspiracy theories going online, from Contrails to 9/11. At this point the company I was working for closed shop and I went back to school.

I had always just thought the trolling was actual evangelical trolls and racist trolls that were Americans online spreading the hate back then. I now have to question if it was always just American groups trolling propaganda and the Russians co-opted them, or if the Russians/Saudis/Whoever have not just been pushing this scam all along.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Facebook has shut down 5.4 billion fake accounts this year
By Brian Fung and Ahiza Garcia, CNN Business
Updated 3:57 PM ET, Wed November 13, 2019


Washington, DC (CNN Business)So far this year, Facebook has shut down 5.4 billion fake accounts on its main platform, but millions likely remain, the social networking giant said Wednesday. That's compared to roughly 3.3 billion fake accounts removed in all of 2018.

As much as 5% of its monthly user base of nearly 2.5 billion consists of fake accounts, the company said, despite advances in technology that have allowed Facebook to catch more fake accounts the moment they are created.

The disclosure highlights the scale of the challenge before Facebook as it prepares for a high-stakes election season in the United States, as well as the 2020 US census. Analysts and watchdogs are bracing for a wave of fake and misleading content on social media following revelations about election meddling in 2016.


On a call with reporters, CEO Mark Zuckerberg framed the large number of fake accounts that have been removed as a sign of how seriously the company is taking this issue and called on other platforms to make similar disclosures.
"Because our numbers are high doesn't mean there's that much more harmful content. It just means we're working harder to identify this content and that's why it's higher," he said on Wednesday.

Facebook and YouTube say they are removing content mentioning potential whistleblower's name

The number of fake accounts disabled by the company peaked earlier in the year, when Facebook said it shut down more than 2 billion in the period from January to March. It removed relatively fewer fake accounts over the next three months — 1.5 billion — which Facebook attributed to improvements in its blocking of new fakes. But the number is on the rise again: Facebook's latest report shows it eliminated 1.7 billion fake accounts from July to September.

The announcement came as part of Facebook's newest transparency report, which for the first time includes information about Instagram.
Between April and September, the Instagram data show, Facebook took down roughly 3 million pieces of content that violated its policies against selling drugs. The company acted against another 95,000 pieces of Instagram content related to gun sales.

The Instagram-focused data also cover the company's enforcement efforts against child exploitation; suicide and self-injury; and terrorist propaganda. But the reporting on Instagram does not cover topics Facebook includes for its main platform, such as bullying and hate speech.
During the call with reporters, an executive noted that Facebook's systems are being used extensively by Instagram to detect harmful content. As the company has faced calls from politicians and observers to be broken up, Facebook executives have repeatedly argued that its size and resources make it better equipped to fight misinformation and provide a safe environment for users.

Earlier this year, Facebook began allowing its hate speech algorithms to begin automatically removing content that it believes violates the company's policies, the report said. One result of that decision has been a sharp spike in the amount of hate speech taken off Facebook.
As many as 7 million pieces of hate speech content were removed from Facebook between July and September, according to the report, a nearly 60% increase from the period between April and June. Of the 7 million, more than 80% was detected by Facebook before a user saw the content, the company said.

Facebook has come under increasing criticism from minority activists and civil rights groups over the spread of hate speech on its platform. The report comes days after civil rights leaders met with Zuckerberg to press him on the ways that divisive, hurtful language can disproportionately harm vulnerable populations on social media.
 

hanimmal

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That is a impressive website that popped up in 2018 and is obviously slanted to dear leader @Bugeye.

But complete bullshit story. Russia is not stronger because of their trolling, they are in a more dangerous position now. What keeps them strong is people not knowing that the feeds they are reading is being stuffed with their hateful shit, so the louder the alarm bell sounds the better. Putin is pissing off the world and it can't end well for him when he gets driven out of power because people get fed up.
 

Bugeye

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That is a impressive website that popped up in 2018 and is obviously slanted to dear leader @Bugeye.

But complete bullshit story. Russia is not stronger because of their trolling, they are in a more dangerous position now. What keeps them strong is people not knowing that the feeds they are reading is being stuffed with their hateful shit, so the louder the alarm bell sounds the better. Putin is pissing off the world and it can't end well for him when he gets driven out of power because people get fed up.
ok, thanks for your opinion.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Russia and it's proxies need to be banned from the internet, nothing but propaganda, political interference, criminal scams, viruses and malware coming out of the place. The western democracies should get together on this and block or slow them down, a national firewall for foreign interference is not such a bad idea either and should be looked into. A public section of the NSA with open debate and public panels of independent journalists incharge could police it, free speech should not apply to foreign propaganda and internet attacks on the democratic system. The internet has got to change and large tech companies with mass influence need to be regulated to take more responsibility for the content on their sites. Broadcasters are regulated and need more of it, free speech is one thing, propaganda exacerbating and creating social division is another.
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China’s Internet Is Flowering.
And It Might Be Our Future.

By Yiren Lu
 

Fogdog

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While I don't approve of Trump's ham-handed way of handling trade negotiations with Chnia, I'm all for the US tapering off and eventually ending trade with that government.
 

hanimmal

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Russia and it's proxies need to be banned from the internet, nothing but propaganda, political interference, criminal scams, viruses and malware coming out of the place. The western democracies should get together on this and block or slow them down, a national firewall for foreign interference is not such a bad idea either and should be looked into. A public section of the NSA with open debate and public panels of independent journalists incharge could police it, free speech should not apply to foreign propaganda and internet attacks on the democratic system. The internet has got to change and large tech companies with mass influence need to be regulated to take more responsibility for the content on their sites. Broadcasters are regulated and need more of it, free speech is one thing, propaganda exacerbating and creating social division is another.
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China’s Internet Is Flowering.
And It Might Be Our Future.

By Yiren Lu
Russia is working on a completely internal internet as a way to do just what you said.

While I don't approve of Trump's ham-handed way of handling trade negotiations with Chnia, I'm all for the US tapering off and eventually ending trade with that government.
I just hope the the Orange One is not behind pushing the riots in Hong Kong.
 

Fogdog

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Russia is working on a completely internal internet as a way to do just what you said.


I just hope the the Orange One is not behind pushing the riots in Hong Kong.
Beijing is claiming that very thing. They lie as much as Trump, which is a tall task in and of itself.

Unfortunately, what Trump should do is not something he ever does. He needs to meet with experts on the subject and come up with a plan that helps HK protesters without putting his big fat fingers into the mess and making things worse.
 

hanimmal

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Beijing is claiming that very thing. They lie as much as Trump, which is a tall task in and of itself.

Unfortunately, what Trump should do is not something he ever does. He needs to meet with experts on the subject and come up with a plan that helps HK protesters without putting his big fat fingers into the mess and making things worse.
And you know that they will all suck it up and give Trump every bit of effort they could to help him get this win because they are professional.
 

Fogdog

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And you know that they will all suck it up and give Trump every bit of effort they could to help him get this win because they are professional.
The people who advise him are toadies. Can't blame them though. Anybody who tried to give him good advice was canned.

Actually, I can blame them for being sucks.
 

hanimmal

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I think it only seems that way because trump supporters by nature are alot louder and in your face than dem's. My state is solidly blue but people here arent so superficial that they need to put a biden flag on their monster truck and drive around honking their horn. In fact, i dont recall seeing any biden stickers in my town but he will win my state by a huge margin.
I think it has a lot to do with how long they have been absorbing the constant trolling online. Since they have had no clue that the left troll and the right ones were all reading off the same script, it is hard for people to realize that they are mimicking hate mongers on radio and tv when they try to 'explain' whatever crazy shit it is that they fell into the trap of believing is way worse than it actually is.
 
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