What's your theory of life, the Universe and everything...

Hehe the people who manipulate and contort scientific fact to purport their own point of view now and through the ages make me laugh. Throughout history the top scientists of the world have behaved at best like a bunch of faggots at a half-price tupperware party over who was first, who was right yadda yadda yadda. Look at Newton and who was the other uk chappy that made complete arses of themselves over who was first to think of an idea or who is or was right.

The fact is we are always wrong we only have the best approximation at truth at any given time with the facts we have to hand and the great thinkers we have to philosophise about what maybe.

You see it a lot on here even, very clever people manipulate facts, throw in mistruths, to argue what they believe to be true. Topic aside is there global warming or not and more importantly did we cause it and is it stopping. All the top scientists were on board with GW and now they are starting to jump ship.

My point is giant leaps forward have been made by brilliant lateral thinkers, Einstein - failed schoolteacher, DNA model - unrelated scientists the list goes on. I respect lateral thinkers and people with open minds to what could be far more than some clever arse who hides behind scientific facts that in the future inevitably will be proved to be wrong.

All the best

Wow I think I wrote my first flame of sorts

Fake Plastic Trees said:

Hehe the people who manipulate and contort scientific fact to purport their own point of view now and through the ages make me laugh. Throughout history the top scientists of the world have behaved at best like a bunch of faggots at a half-price tupperware party over who was first, who was right yadda yadda yadda. Look at Newton and who was the other uk chappy that made complete arses of themselves over who was first to think of an idea or who is or was right.

The fact is we are always wrong we only have the best approximation at truth at any given time with the facts we have to hand and the great thinkers we have to philosophise about what maybe.

You see it a lot on here even, very clever people manipulate facts, throw in mistruths, to argue what they believe to be true. Topic aside is there global warming or not and more importantly did we cause it and is it stopping. All the top scientists were on board with GW and now they are starting to jump ship.

My point is giant leaps forward have been made by brilliant lateral thinkers, Einstein - failed schoolteacher, DNA model - unrelated scientists the list goes on. I respect lateral thinkers and people with open minds to what could be far more than some clever arse who hides behind scientific facts that in the future inevitably will be proved to be wrong.

All the best

Wow I think I wrote my first flame of sorts

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I have read and reread this post and I am still uncertain as to what you are saying. At one point it appears you are ripping into science and scientists - at another you seem to be praising them. I'm sorry i am very confused.

Fake Plastic Trees said:

Hehe the people who manipulate and contort scientific fact to purport their own point of view now and through the ages make me laugh. Throughout history the top scientists of the world have behaved at best like a bunch of faggots at a half-price tupperware party over who was first, who was right yadda yadda yadda. Look at Newton and who was the other uk chappy that made complete arses of themselves over who was first to think of an idea or who is or was right.

The fact is we are always wrong we only have the best approximation at truth at any given time with the facts we have to hand and the great thinkers we have to philosophise about what maybe.

You see it a lot on here even, very clever people manipulate facts, throw in mistruths, to argue what they believe to be true. Topic aside is there global warming or not and more importantly did we cause it and is it stopping. All the top scientists were on board with GW and now they are starting to jump ship.

My point is giant leaps forward have been made by brilliant lateral thinkers, Einstein - failed schoolteacher, DNA model - unrelated scientists the list goes on. I respect lateral thinkers and people with open minds to what could be far more than some clever arse who hides behind scientific facts that in the future inevitably will be proved to be wrong.

All the best

Wow I think I wrote my first flame of sorts

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You're putting forward the usual argument over the certainty of scientific fact. I don't know why your ripping into Newton, just because he may of had a disagreement over an the idea/theory with someone on who came up with it first. He contributed vast, and groundbreaking information on the mathematical laws of nature, some of these were all the NASA scientist's needed to land men on the Moon! I agree that there are a lot of scientists out there that are in it for financial reasons, and who's lack of character and morals, tarnish the scientific community. I admire esoteric thinkers such as Einstein, Neils Bohr, Leonardo Da Vinci ect. as they clearly stand out as revolutionary thinkers, not just in science. What I can't get my head around is that you said we're always wrong!? If that is the case, then should I doubt whether I will fall if I jump of a high building? Or that the Sun will rise in the morning? Maybe I don't need to eat to stay alive? The point being, Theories are not completely provable, but few things are in this world, yet they fulfill most of the objectives we set them to. science in itself is useless without philosophy as a way of studying the mind and the Universe, and visa versa.

Thanks for the input anyway.

Remember pothead ramblings aren't supposed to make sense...
As long as we grow dank weed who cares if we make sense..LOL

Well, here it goes

I am an adamant believer in God. I believe that this universe is so complex and infinite that it required an architect. If you look at our neighborhood planets, its either extremely cold or hot, our planet is so perfect attuned with the solar system with the distance to the sun, our moon, seasons. Us being here randomly is not comprehendable to me.

I believe that this world is nothing more but stage, a test, a life-long demonstration of how we performed with what we were given. If you were given much, as in rich or blessed, God expects much. If you are just getting by in an African village, God doesn't expect much. Reflect upon this. Always the answer is this same, we could have done better.

Followers of science revel in their own genius, and dispel any humility as they triumph in unveiling a mere fraction of the universe's wonders. Humanity has just recently progressed in technology in which we now are able scratch the surface of the universe's mysteries and secrets. So obstructed is the eyes of our people that we fail to realize that we still know nothing. Have humility as you pride yourself on which is folly. To the eyes of the beholder, we are spoiled, ignorant children who challenge God. Tower of Babylon, Titanic, anything overconfident we construct.

Constantly I am accosted with the bleak acquiescence of my own limits and abilities. I yearn for more clarity and wisdom and I shall never cease to explicate the boundaries of my own mind. Thus is the true meaning behind my username, ZenMaster. There could be no such greater exhilarating experience as such a zen or enlightenment that even a perfect drug could match.

We are all fleas on a big dog......Sheep all of you sheep!!

ZenMaster said:

Well, here it goes

I am an adamant believer in God. I believe that this universe is so complex and infinite that it required an architect. If you look at our neighborhood planets, its either extremely cold or hot, our planet is so perfect attuned with the solar system with the distance to the sun, our moon, seasons. Us being here randomly is not comprehendable to me.

I believe that this world is nothing more but stage, a test, a life-long demonstration of how we performed with what we were given. If you were given much, as in rich or blessed, God expects much. If you are just getting by in an African village, God doesn't expect much. Reflect upon this. Always the answer is this same, we could have done better.

Followers of science revel in their own genius, and dispel any humility as they triumph in unveiling a mere fraction of the universe's wonders. Humanity has just recently progressed in technology in which we now are able scratch the surface of the universe's mysteries and secrets. So obstructed is the eyes of our people that we fail to realize that we still know nothing. Have humility as you pride yourself on which is folly. To the eyes of the beholder, we are spoiled, ignorant children who challenge God. Tower of Babylon, Titanic, anything overconfident we construct.

Constantly I am accosted with the bleak acquiescence of my own limits and abilities. I yearn for more clarity and wisdom and I shall never cease to explicate the boundaries of my own mind. Thus is the true meaning behind my username, ZenMaster. There could be no such greater exhilarating experience as such a zen or enlightenment that even a perfect drug could match.

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Thanks for dropping by Zenmaster, that's the kind of post I like. I'll be replying to this one when I gather my thoughts together.

Just to clarify, do you believe in God in a Christian or other organised religious way, or in a more abstract way?

simple questions, the meaning of it all is to work together to find the meaning of it all rather than to propose a meaning and force everyone else to accept it. when we can put aside our differences and work together to get off this planet, we are set. Our goal should be to voyage to the other side of the universe, creating space structures along the way as way points and learning how to inhabit space because then we can all have our freedom to believe all we want since space is freaking huge. E.T didn't stay on his planet to quible over which of their gods was the better one or the right one, he left his planet to conquer ours

tampicos said:

simple questions, the meaning of it all is to work together to find the meaning of it all rather than to propose a meaning and force everyone else to accept it. when we can put aside our differences and work together to get off this planet, we are set. Our goal should be to voyage to the other side of the universe, creating space structures along the way as way points and learning how to inhabit space because then we can all have our freedom to believe all we want since space is freaking huge. E.T didn't stay on his planet to quible over which of their gods was the better one or the right one, he left his planet to conquer ours

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If humanity is to have any kind of lasting destiny, I think you are absolutely correct.

email468 said:

If humanity is to have any kind of lasting destiny, I think you are absolutely correct.

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That is EXACTLY what we should be doing.

Erniedytn said:

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That is EXACTLY what we should be doing.

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Hey Ernie! - what's shaking? Since we agreed on something, I checked the weather (I thought hell might have frozen over)!
just kidding - i know we have a lot in common - i just couldn't resist making the cheap joke

email468 said:

Hey Ernie! - what's shaking? Since we agreed on something, I checked the weather (I thought hell might have frozen over)!
just kidding - i know we have a lot in common - i just couldn't resist making the cheap joke

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...Very true man.....I almost fell outta my chair typing that.

Erniedytn said:

...Very true man.....I almost fell outta my chair typing that.

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funny! awesome retort!

email468 said:

Hey Ernie! - what's shaking? Since we agreed on something, I checked the weather (I thought hell might have frozen over)!
just kidding - i know we have a lot in common - i just couldn't resist making the cheap joke

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Erniedytn said:

...Very true man.....I almost fell outta my chair typing that.

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email468 said:

funny! awesome retort!

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I'm glad I made a thread where people can come together. There's no hating here.

Titania said:

I'm glad I made a thread where people can come together. There's no hating here.

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well it really helps that Ernie is a classy guy with a good sense of self and humor.

Hey just because we look at things from different perspectives doesn't mean we can't be friends.

Titania said:

Thanks for dropping by Zenmaster, that's the kind of post I like. I'll be replying to this one when I gather my thoughts together.

Just to clarify, do you believe in God in a Christian or other organised religious way, or in a more abstract way?

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Both, in a sense.

I believe God is portrayed in the Christian beliefs most accurately. I believe God views us as his children and that he is a teacher, a father to us who we can turn to in need.

I have also feel connection when you truly pray, not at some dinner table, repeating the usual quotes, but when you directly communicate for a true need or purpose. Its astounding.

Since some of us our jumping into string theory might as well go right into inflation and the "multiverse".

OK – this is really hard for me to get my head around but let’s see where it takes us… but first I should mention that the observable evidence is mostly based on the information gleaned from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP).

WMAP studies the microwaves from 380,000 years after the Big Bang event (within a 2-percent margin of error). But since the universe is so large, we still aren’t certain of its shape. To us it could appear flat, but still could be round, spherical with a hole in the center (like a doughnut), flat but thick and round, or flat but thick and round AND curved is another likely shape.

But the observable universe may not be the only part of the universe that has any shape. Physicists theorize there could be a hidden, microscopic “intra space” but so well concealed that we can’t experience it directly. It is at this point that string theory puts forth the proposition that there are ten (or more) dimensions besides the three we are familiar with (space) plus time. Thank you Einstein.

Where the hell are these extra dimensions you might ask. Good question. Beats the heck out of me, but if some scientists are right, they are “curled up into tiny geometrical containers called Calabi-Yau manifolds, where they remain forever hidden from us.”

If string theory is correct, then these six-dimensional Calabi-Yau manifolds exist everywhere – at every point in space – on your finger, on Mars, on your bud, EVERYWHERE! The actual size remains an open question but some place them in the realm of Planck scale (10 E-33 – ten to the power of negative thirty three) – that’s a decimal point, thirty two zeros and a one. Which is ridiculously tiny. Some scientists say they are larger than that but still far too small to detect.

Either way the shape of the six-dimension complex is of extreme interest since many scientists believe the shape or geometry of these manifolds is what dictates the laws of particle physics (gravity, cosmic inflation, and dark energy). If they are correct, then these tiny structures are the dominant phenomena affecting our cosmos!

To quote Joseph Polchinksi, a theoretical physicist at the University of California, Santa Barbara: “All of the numbers we measure in nature – all of the things we consider fundamental, such as masses of quarks and electrons – are derived from the size and shape of Calabi-Yau space.”

In fact, it gets even better. If string theory is on the right path, the number of possible Calabi-Yau shapes is linked to the number of possible universes (or “multiverse”). Anyone who studies modern cosmology will soon find that the biggest problems facing cosmologists and physicists is determining the shape of the universe.

Now the big question(s) – how do we observe the unobservable? Or maybe a better question would be – what can we learn about the Calabi-Yau geometry? Scientists are trying to find evidence for the existence of these dimensions and hopefully through that find hints to the shape of this “inner” space.

Now here is the kicker which brings us back to studying the CMB (cosmic microwave background). The latest string theory models of cosmic inflation (there are others) are very close to making detailed predictions about our universe which scientists will soon be able to TEST! And once cosmologists can start testing, they can plug in different variables which should help determine the shape of the Calabi-Yau manifolds since the predictions will be based on the different possible geometries.

In order to understand how this is done, we need to learn more about CMB (no avoiding that one)! But that will have to wait until our next installment.

But the implication is we will soon know where the laws of particle physics originates! Pretty awesome stuff <- understatement of the year!

tckfui said:

I happen to know that the meaning of life the universe and everything is.... drum roll please.... 42! its true!

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Yes 42 is the answer,but what is the question?

Titania said:

Ripping apart peoples personal philosophy is not what this thread is about, It's about sharing. We can critique, point out flaws, explore ideas together, it doesn't, and shouldn't turn into a battleground for opposing views. I have put forward my own ideas, and I welcome criticism and debate on it. I will never mock someones thoughts, as long as he/she makes an effort, and who's theory is logical and rational. And please, divulge away...

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you may not rip apart people's views, but other people do. and why do people have to have a logical and rational explanation for why they think the way they do? they are called beliefs because they don't have to be proven to be believed. People who are religious have views and beliefs that can never be proved right, or wrong for that matter... their vies can't be logical or rational, yet people don't get on them for being religous.