What's Wrong With This Seedling? (PICS)

Hey guys whats going on?

I am on day 6 of my NL auto and Skunk #1 Auto grow and things are going decent.... I did have a slight overwatering problem on Monday, but the soil is seeming to dry up pretty nicely and they are continuing to grow. They are in 5 Gal buckets with FFOF with a mix of extra perilite and a small amount of vermiculite. Right now they are around 24" or so away from a 600w MH. I have just watered them with pH'd water so far, no nutes yet. Thinking of using General Organic's BioRoot next week to help with root growth. Both strains are by Sensi seeds, there are 4x NL's and 3x Skunk #1's. All of the Skunk's look absolutely perfect, and most all of the plants are beginning to form their third / fourth set of leaves today.

Anyways.... Here is my issue, if it even is an issue, might just be a little too critical right now. Anyways, today, I noticed on two of my NL's that the veins of the second set of leaves are slightly yellow, the leaves are still green however there looks to be tiny yellow lines on the leaves around the veins and the outer edges. Not sure if this had anything to do with the overwatering episode from the other day or what? Both are just starting on their third / fourth set of leaves, and other than that look pretty healthy, the newer leaves seem to have a yellow tint as well, the ones that are slightly yellow are the biggest / fastest growing girls yet though. Also the little jaggies on the edges of the leaves seem to be slightly curling (just a little funny looking). The stem between the soil and the cotyledons was a little bit stretchy, so I moved some soil from the topsoil around the rim of the bucket and put some soil about halfway up to the cotyledons. I am planning on adding extra soil once I reach the third or fourth node.

I really would like to know about the slight yellow lines on/around the veins on my second set of leaves of my NL's Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Is there anything I can do to correct this, if this even is a problem. They definitely look different than the others at this point though, this one was directly under the 600w MH light, which is around 24 inches above them right now, so I moved the yellow looking ones to the outer edge of the garden for today and see if that makes a different, the other ones right under the light do not show this however.

I took these pics with them out of the grow area so the MH light does not mess with the images any. Please let me know what you guys think about this little girl...
+Rep for any answers and suggestions!

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I really hope so, because I'm really stoked on this little girl. She's the biggest out of them all and one of the NL's. Everyone else seems to be a lot darker, might just be a goofy pheno
 

riverchaser

Active Member
I'm going with the over critical observation. Its hard to judge a not fully mature leaf for any problems...especially at 6 days old. Let them grow, I think they will be fine. I would hold off on feeding until week 3 or more though, next week might be a little too soon for for any nutes with pre-nuted soil. I believe ffof is a little hot, Ive read in a few posts that growers have been mixing it with light warrior, or just starting straight in light warrior then transplanting in to ffof.

On a side note I'm curious to see if they will veg longer since you are in larger pots than I usually use. I was reading in the auto section that they sometimes don't start flowering until the tap root hits the side or bottom of the pot. Nearly all autos I've grown started throwing pistils at 3.5-4 week mark. I also read to use veg nutes a few weeks into flower.
 
Yeah I've also heard FFOF was pretty hot for seedlings. Sensi's NL must be sensitive to nutes at first, all the Skunks look great, not as big as this NL But all are a nice dark green. Tek and JD said I should be good on 5 gal buckets, so I went with them. Being my first autos, I'm trying to get as much as I can from them. I was debating using some Root Juice next week but will probably hold off on the NL's. I might give the Skunks a try with it though. I will definitely keep you posted on how things are going, thank you for the advice. I greatly appreciate it!
 

riverchaser

Active Member
You should check out the thread on Lst for autos. Could help increase your yield. I've had good luck using it on photos, but never tried it with autos. You are getting close to the time when you can start training them.
 
Yeah i have been starting to look into it lately, from what I hear node 4 or so and you can start. Don't really know where to start and how to bend them. Never LST'd in any of my greenhouse grows.
 
Okay guys... Quick update, this is going to be four days after the above pics were taken... This Florida heat is brutal right now!

I found out what was wrong with the two little ones. The pH of the soil was far too low on those two, I made a mistake when I drenched these two buckets of soil, added ph Down to distilled water which had a pH of 6.3 already. I took a bad measurement with my digital meter the first time, but corrected for the rest which is why only these two are showing the problem. The girl from above is still growing fast, she's still the biggest and is getting some new growth around the nodes. I ran some 7.1pH through the bucket yesterday with one drop superthrive and 1/8 strength BioRoot, measured the run off and found it to be at 5.9! I will slowly be working my way back up to 6.5pH to try not to stress her out too bad... Here are two pics of her... (Sensi Seeds NL Auto)

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And here is the second one that has the pH problem, she is a bit worse than her sibling. I used the same mixture as stated above, and measure her pH and it was 4.9!!! I can't believe she has made it this long, she's not growing as fast as her sis with the bad pH and is pretty yellow. After I discovered how low her pH was I did a light flush / heavy watering with tap water ph'd to 8.5. I was able to bring her up to 5.6pH, still not ideal but I did not want to over do it and stress her out too much, so once the soil dries some I will add some more water that has a high pH to try to bring her back up and see if she will fix herself, hoping she will, because I am really excited about the NL's... If she does not rebound in the next week, I will probably germ another Skunk #1 Auto to take her place,

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And here are some pics of the other 5 girls, there are two more NL Autos and three Skunk #1 Autos, all of which were unaffected by my pH mishap and are looking wonderful. This is their 8th day of 18/6 light, (the day they sprouted)... The NL's have the fatter indica leaves, and the Skunk's have the more Sativa like leaves...

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Let me know what you guys think... Do you guys think the ones that have been affected by the pH correct themselves, once I get the pH straightened out on both of them? Hoping so. I will keep everyone posted. Lesson learned!
 

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
Plants look ok, but be very careful about how much water you give them. The root systems on you plants are small , and it will take a long time for them to develop into a mass that can use all the moisture available in a 5 gal bucket. I would have started in a smaller pot, and as the roots grew, then change pots to accommodate the growing plant. It is going to take a long time for your soil to dry out in those pails, which is important for your roots to breath. So, make sure you have excellent drainage and do not soak that soil, just water around your plants to give them the right balance of being not to dry, and definitely not too wet. Peace
 

tekdc911

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agreed on the over watering
ph is a maybe
the "yellowing" from what ive seen is new growth
when the tips yellow get crispy
then its a burn slow growth is almost always over watering
 
Those pics were taken at day 9. I have started in 5 gal buckets because I am growing autos and was advised to start them in their forever pot. Got some more pics from today, will post soon. Other than the two that are yellowing, do the others look okay? I havent watered in 7 days, and they finally seem to be drying out some.
 
Here are pics from today of the girls, let me know if this looks about average for day 9 - day 10.... Thanks for all the input guys, I really appreciate all of the help. Hopefully they will turn out to be decent girls that yield good, which is what I have come to expect from Sensi... Anyways guys, here they are... Please post your thoughts / suggestions!

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And here is a group shot of everyone...

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RIKNSTEIN

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I agree with ^ Jim ^ and guys don't make the mistake of "over loving" them, as long as you have good drainage of your soil... i.e. perlite mix ...and good water, just water and feed and let them "tell you" what they need...i.e.. drooping/hanging leaves = overwatered...yellow tips and shoots = over nute....bottom leaves turning yellow = their hungry, feed them...and always try to keep your leaves as green as possible through the whole grow, this will put out the biggest healthiest buds, and if you use chemical nutes then flush the last 12-14 days of flower...good luck...this is IMO, not necessarily a fact...but my plants love me :clap: My flower room.jpg :weed:
 
It looks like it, that's a nice set up man. I haven't watered in 8 days, probably will in the next day or so. Do most of mine look about right for 9 days indoors? I have grown a few times in my green house but indoor is way different, still figuring it all out.
 

RIKNSTEIN

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It looks like it, that's a nice set up man. I haven't watered in 8 days, probably will in the next day or so. Do most of mine look about right for 9 days indoors? I have grown a few times in my green house but indoor is way different, still figuring it all out.
Ya they look good, but as was already mentioned (I think) they should be in smaller pots, I use the "beer cup" myself with beans and clones, and I use CFLs for my babies, they don't get HIDs until they're around 4 weeks 006.jpg002.jpg the first ones a clone in a beer cup rootin nicely (my wifes first attempt) and the second (just transplanted into a 3 gal pot) is my first self cross pollination attempt at 26 days, she was slow at first but taking off nicely since I topped her
 
I was told by numerous people on here that since I'm growing an auto, i need to start out in atleast a 3 gallon pot and never transplant?
 

RIKNSTEIN

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I was told by numerous people on here that since I'm growing an auto, i need to start out in atleast a 3 gallon pot and never transplant?
No not true...the plant or plants in question will have to grow roots below soil before they show any growth on top of the soil..so big pots = slow growth at first...I transplant mine 3 or 4 times depending on how big I want it to get...from the cup I start them into a 1 gal pot, let it show some healthy growth, and into a 3 gal pot, again some growth, and into a 5 gal pot where they usually stay, but with an auto ya a 3 gal is fine, but again I usually start my beans in cups..
 
Are you growing autos?
When I grow photoperiods, that is how I normally transplant. Normally three times, but I was told by a ton of people on here that when growing autoflowering seeds that they do not recover from transplant shock well at all, and should be planted into their forever pot...

Anyways...

Here is a day 15 update! One of the Skunk #1's showed sex today, it has a single calyx on it and it shot two pistils out of it today! I have not been able to spot any other calyxes on the other girls, but they are coming along pretty good. The NL that had the pH problem is still growing the fastest, much faster than all of the rest, kind of sketching me out, but I guess we'll see here in a few days. I am seeing two distinct phenos of the NL, a heavy indica pheno with big fat leaves, and the other two have a more of a sativa look. The Skunks #1 autos, really do look like small versions of Sensi Skunk #1. The trademark big Skunk fan leaves are showing up and shooting out, and they all look a bit more on the sativa side than anything, so hopefully in the next week or so I will know the sex of all the girls (hopefully), anyway here are some pics.... Let me know what you guys think! Thanks very much!

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