What’s the most dry weight you have pulled from a autoflower

Roger A. Shrubber said:

those look good, and you don't need to impress me. it's just a matter of genetics. the plants that have the autoflowering gene developed it to survive in harsh growing conditions and short seasons. they don't have time to grow a lot of trichs, they've been bred to sprint to the finish. when you mix those genetics with a photoperiod plant, you lose some of its potential size and potency to gain the autoflowering trait. so like i said, i got nothing against them, i've grown some and will grow more, and some has been awesome. but the same photo pheno without the ruderalis would have been better....

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Thank you, its the first time im doing a supercrop to have an even carpet so its new for me, i normally let them grow natural. But i wanted to see if i would have a bigger yeild doing it this way.

You sound pretty reasonable with your arguments, and i like to listen what people has to say, atleast when they presents their opinions and facts as then they are on the table for everyone to see.

I hear you on the size if we want to do 1 harvest per summer, but with autos, you can in some places do 3 harvest per summer wich in my book would yield more.
For example; i can fill my 20sqm 3 times with buds = 60sqm of buds
You can fill your 20sqm 1 time with buds = 20sqm of buds
And i will be honest, i have no experience with outdoor-growing so this was just an idea, but 60 is in fact more then 20.

U are looking at autos at the wrong way, this gene they have, the "survival-gene" is very strong and give the girls power to grow and to develop buds in very harsh conditions but when you are taking care of this trait and giving your girls the best possible inviroment these girls will grow faster and bigger in a 90 days period as they can grow and flower under 20 or 24 hours of light wich is 8 - 12 hours more light per day then her photoperiod sister.

Maybe its just me thinking strange, but lets say that i vegged a photo blueberry for 1 month and flowered her for 2 months, could she (single plant) produce 600 grams? Are photoperiods that good? I heard and know for a fact autos can do that with less then 600w of hps.

Potency, here i have to be fair and say i personally never done any measures of thc-content - photo vs autoflower. But just like with photoperiods, autoflowering plants also have different degrees of thc/cbd%, taste and smell.

A thing i can agree on today regarding thc content is that the absolute strongest thc-content will be in a photoperiod plant, the number 1 spot.

But then we have alot of different strains and phenotypes with different kind of thc-content as everyone cant be number 1. Here is where many autoflowering strains matching up or are better then the photoperiods ( again, no not the nummer 1 or 2 spot) but definitely up there on top.

I say that an autoflowering single plant will grow bigger and heavier then her photoperiod sister if bred and grown correct, every day a week in a 90 day time-frame.

Photoperiods can receive 1440 hours of light whilst an autoflower could receive 2160 hours of light in a 90 days period.
Mathematical the autoflowering plant should produce more mass ( buds).
And this is a 90 days strain but there is strains that could finish in 60 or 65 days from seed or 120 days.

I agree, photoperiods is better in some ways, and i say autoflowering plants are better in another. Agree, it is what suits the grower best, enverimont, time-frame and offcourse skills.

If there is anyone that has an input on what yield would impress from 4x600w hps i want to hear it. 4 pounds? 6 pounds? Do i dare say 8 pounds? What will impress/open some eyes on you guys?
I cant control yield as i grow the best i can, but i would like to hear a number.
As autoflowering plants yield less then photoperiods according to you,
Anything over 2400 grams would be good, right? And anything over 3600 grams would be fantastic, i mean we are talking autoflowers, could they yield that much?

Come and check my grow out, we could learn a thing or two

SheldonCooper said:

Thank you, its the first time im doing a supercrop to have an even carpet so its new for me, i normally let them grow natural. But i wanted to see if i would have a bigger yeild doing it this way.

You sound pretty reasonable with your arguments, and i like to listen what people has to say, atleast when they presents their opinions and facts as then they are on the table for everyone to see.

I hear you on the size if we want to do 1 harvest per summer, but with autos, you can in some places do 3 harvest per summer wich in my book would yield more.
For example; i can fill my 20sqm 3 times with buds = 60sqm of buds
You can fill your 20sqm 1 time with buds = 20sqm of buds
And i will be honest, i have no experience with outdoor-growing so this was just an idea, but 60 is in fact more then 20.

U are looking at autos at the wrong way, this gene they have, the "survival-gene" is very strong and give the girls power to grow and to develop buds in very harsh conditions but when you are taking care of this trait and giving your girls the best possible inviroment these girls will grow faster and bigger in a 90 days period as they can grow and flower under 20 or 24 hours of light wich is 8 - 12 hours more light per day then her photoperiod sister.

Maybe its just me thinking strange, but lets say that i vegged a photo blueberry for 1 month and flowered her for 2 months, could she (single plant) produce 600 grams? Are photoperiods that good? I heard and know for a fact autos can do that with less then 600w of hps.

Potency, here i have to be fair and say i personally never done any measures of thc-content - photo vs autoflower. But just like with photoperiods, autoflowering plants also have different degrees of thc/cbd%, taste and smell.

A thing i can agree on today regarding thc content is that the absolute strongest thc-content will be in a photoperiod plant, the number 1 spot.

But then we have alot of different strains and phenotypes with different kind of thc-content as everyone cant be number 1. Here is where many autoflowering strains matching up or are better then the photoperiods ( again, no not the nummer 1 or 2 spot) but definitely up there on top.

I say that an autoflowering single plant will grow bigger and heavier then her photoperiod sister if bred and grown correct, every day a week in a 90 day time-frame.

Photoperiods can receive 1440 hours of light whilst an autoflower could receive 2160 hours of light in a 90 days period.
Mathematical the autoflowering plant should produce more mass ( buds).
And this is a 90 days strain but there is strains that could finish in 60 or 65 days from seed or 120 days.

I agree, photoperiods is better in some ways, and i say autoflowering plants are better in another. Agree, it is what suits the grower best, enverimont, time-frame and offcourse skills.

If there is anyone that has an input on what yield would impress from 4x600w hps i want to hear it. 4 pounds? 6 pounds? Do i dare say 8 pounds? What will impress/open some eyes on you guys?
I cant control yield as i grow the best i can, but i would like to hear a number.
As autoflowering plants yield less then photoperiods according to you,
Anything over 2400 grams would be good, right? And anything over 3600 grams would be fantastic, i mean we are talking autoflowers, could they yield that much?

Come and check my grow out, we could learn a thing or two

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Very diplomatic... You both have good points... I'm trying to learn from you both,along with anyone that has valuable input/ information...

Frank Nitty said:

Very diplomatic... You both have good points... I'm trying to learn from you both,along with anyone that has valuable input/ information...

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I love T-5 for veg. I keep them 1 or 2 inches from the tops. Solo cups first ten days then transplant to big 5 gal. buckets. Amended organic soil. 400 watt HPS for 1 plant about 10 inches above plant. Flowering at 2 weeks keeps them manageable in size. I get fat dense buds with extreme potency. I currently have 7 strains on hand because I have such quick change over. One plant at a time very little work involved.

people growing photos and wanting large harvest will usually sog. i know a couple of people that do, and they get in at least 5 crops per year, and harvest a pretty good amount each time.

and there's a reason big time growers don't grow autos, they know they won't be getting the yields or quality from them that they need to be getting. they have their place, but that place isn't in a professional grow room

I saw a sog grow back in the day with one gal pots. 12 /12 from seed under a huge hand built wooden panel of t 12s. One nice nug per pot.

10.4 ounces Dutch Passion Think Different from a single mama. High quality smoke as well.

The term heterosis often causes confusion and even controversy, particularly in selective breeding of domestic animals, because it is sometimes (incorrectly) claimed that all crossbred plants and animals are "genetically superior" to their parents, due to heterosis.
However, there are two problems with this claim:

• First, according to an article published in the journal Genome Biology, "genetic superiority" is an ill-defined term and not generally accepted terminology within the scientific field of genetics. A related term fitness is well defined, but it can rarely be directly measured. Instead, scientists use objective, measurable quantities, such as the number of seeds a plant produces, the germination rate of a seed, or the percentage of organisms that survive to reproductive age. From this perspective, crossbred plants and animals exhibiting heterosis may have "superior" traits, but this does not necessarily equate to any evidence of outright "genetic superiority". Use of the term "superiority" is commonplace for example in crop breeding, where it is well understood to mean a better-yielding, more robust plant for agriculture. Such a plant may yield better on a farm, but would likely struggle to survive in the wild, making this use open to misinterpretation. In human genetics any question of "genetic superiority" is even more problematic due to the historical and political implications of any such claim. Some may even go as far as to describe it as a questionable value judgement in the realm of politics, not science.
• Second, not all hybrids exhibit heterosis

An example of the ambiguous value judgements imposed on hybrids and hybrid vigor is the mule. While mules are almost always infertile, they are valued for a combination of hardiness and temperament that is different from either of their horse or donkey parents. While these qualities may make them "superior" for particular uses by humans, the infertility issue implies that these animals would most likely become extinct without the intervention of humans through animal husbandry, making them "inferior" in terms of natural selection.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

autos are the future? a stubby plant that is basically a good pheno mixed with a bad one? never happen. autos are for people that don't have the skills to grow photos, which are an infinitely superior strain. ruderalis is a low yielding, low potency, not even good for hemp, shrub.
mixing it with very good phenos only result in reducing the quality to those phenos...

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Two weak phenotypes can make an awesome F-1 hybrid. They do this with corn all the time. They call it hybrid vigor

This isnt my grow but its from an autoflower called autoultimate from dutch passion, came in at over 2.2+ pounds verified and won first place.

Link to the grow= https://www.autoflower.net/forums/threads/the-auto-ultimate-showcase-grow-party-dwc-with-dutch-pro-nutrients.26458/

Roger A. Shrubber said:

The term heterosis often causes confusion and even controversy, particularly in selective breeding of domestic animals, because it is sometimes (incorrectly) claimed that all crossbred plants and animals are "genetically superior" to their parents, due to heterosis.
However, there are two problems with this claim:

• First, according to an article published in the journal Genome Biology, "genetic superiority" is an ill-defined term and not generally accepted terminology within the scientific field of genetics. A related term fitness is well defined, but it can rarely be directly measured. Instead, scientists use objective, measurable quantities, such as the number of seeds a plant produces, the germination rate of a seed, or the percentage of organisms that survive to reproductive age. From this perspective, crossbred plants and animals exhibiting heterosis may have "superior" traits, but this does not necessarily equate to any evidence of outright "genetic superiority". Use of the term "superiority" is commonplace for example in crop breeding, where it is well understood to mean a better-yielding, more robust plant for agriculture. Such a plant may yield better on a farm, but would likely struggle to survive in the wild, making this use open to misinterpretation. In human genetics any question of "genetic superiority" is even more problematic due to the historical and political implications of any such claim. Some may even go as far as to describe it as a questionable value judgement in the realm of politics, not science.
• Second, not all hybrids exhibit heterosis

An example of the ambiguous value judgements imposed on hybrids and hybrid vigor is the mule. While mules are almost always infertile, they are valued for a combination of hardiness and temperament that is different from either of their horse or donkey parents. While these qualities may make them "superior" for particular uses by humans, the infertility issue implies that these animals would most likely become extinct without the intervention of humans through animal husbandry, making them "inferior" in terms of natural selection.

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A mule is a poor example and it is created by two different species, its not the same as mixing two different phenotypes of the same species as what i am referring to. Hybrid vigour is a known fact and it doesn't work all the time. You must find compatible parents to create an F-1 hybrid. There are tons of research to support hybrid vigor using two different phenotypes to make a stronger offspring. Whatever it is you are trying to breed such as high thc or yield is not hard to do but there is a ceiling.

rshackleferd said:

Two weak phenotypes can make an awesome F-1 hybrid. They do this with corn all the time. They call it hybrid vigor

This isnt my grow but its from an autoflower called autoultimate from dutch passion, came in at over 2.2+ pounds verified and won first place.

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and the photo strain they used to produce that plant would have produce 3 lbs....and it would have had a higher thc content

Roger A. Shrubber said:

and the photo strain they used to produce that plant would have produce 3 lbs....and it would have had a higher thc content

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3 pound indoor with one plant? High thc is only a small part of what makes a good strain. They have done lab test of the top ten strains and they came in at or around 10 to 18% Thc. You can screw it all up if you focus on THC, there are other chemicals called cannabinoids that also affect the quality of the "high".

listen, i'm not dead set against autos, as i've said before. but i'm NEVER going to admit that crossing an inferior strain with a superior on is going to make a better plant. that's not heterosis, that's bad breeding. you may improve the poor strain, but you'll never improve a superior strain crossing it with an inferior strain.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

listen, i'm not dead set against autos, as i've said before. but i'm NEVER going to admit that crossing an inferior strain with a superior on is going to make a better plant. that's not heterosis, that's bad breeding. you may improve the poor strain, but you'll never improve a superior strain crossing it with an inferior strain.

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My friends dad is 5.5 130 wet and his mom aint no super model however their son could be a chippendale if he wanted. When you mix genes there is no telling what you are going to get. I know you seen this before, sometimes two unhealthy uglies can produce a superior offspring. How else do you think they come up with better plants? You must start from somewhere...they call it hitting the genetic lottery because it's mostly up to chance. You can only improve your odds so much.

plants aren't people....you can sometimes get lucky, but those aren't stable, reproducible results

Who cares about yield if the smoke lacks potency? Autos are only good for rookie growers and virgin lungs. When my friends and family smoke in different social circles they tell me that they don't really get high on other people's grass. No intensity or duration. It's because I only use the very best genetics I can find. I never touch my flowers when trimming only the stem. All the oils and trichomes are left undisturbed. I cut my weed up with scissors when building a nice joint or packing a bowl so I get all that medicine in my lungs and not on my fingers.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

listen, i'm not dead set against autos, as i've said before. but i'm NEVER going to admit that crossing an inferior strain with a superior on is going to make a better plant. that's not heterosis, that's bad breeding. you may improve the poor strain, but you'll never improve a superior strain crossing it with an inferior strain.

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I'm convinced... I've got some pineapple slick femenised seeds and a bunch of different types of bagseeds that I'm going to be growing as soon as these autos are done... I'll do the pineapple slick ones first,and then start rolling the dice on the others... I'm going to be leaning on you guys heavy to help me get through,so be ready!!!

Frank Nitty said:

I'm convinced... I've got some pineapple slick femenised seeds and a bunch of different types of bagseeds that I'm going to be growing as soon as these autos are done... I'll do the pineapple slick ones first,and then start rolling the dice on the others... I'm going to be leaning on you guys heavy to help me get through,so be ready!!!

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Hows is the potency on the auto's you have smoked?

RetiredGuerilla said:

Hows is the potency on the auto's you have smoked?

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Can't say that I ever have... I was just curious as to how they would grow and what they would put out... I had never even heard of them until about 4-5 months ago... I really like fems cause I want to know that im going to get some buds out of the grow...

Frank Nitty said:

Can't say that I ever have... I was just curious as to how they would grow and what they would put out... I had never even heard of them until about 4-5 months ago... I really like fems cause I want to know that im going to get some buds out of the grow...

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It's nice to roll the dice on regs too. You can get uber potent ladies by doing this. Initiate the flowering cycle at 2 weeks so you don't waste as much time, energy and supplies. I grew out a Bodhi strain called Dank Zappa that has true g-13 genetics in its lineage. Word got back to me it was putting people down. I smoked some while I was on some hydrocodone 10mg. LOL I had the first panic attack ever in my life.

RetiredGuerilla said:

It's nice to roll the dice on regs too. You can get uber potent ladies by doing this. Initiate the flowering cycle at 2 weeks so you don't waste as much time, energy and supplies. I grew out a Bodhi strain called Dank Zappa that has true g-13 genetics in its lineage. Word got back to me it was putting people down. I smoked some while I was on some hydrocodone 10mg. LOL I had the first panic attack ever in my life.

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I'm laughing my ass off!!! Ive got some seeds that I don't know what they are so I'm sure that it's going to be interesting for a rookie like me... Not really a rookie,but it's been a long time since I have grown anything...es especially indoors, but I'm up for the task!!!