What's my problem?

I grow critical kush strain for years from clones. At the beginning of this year i was harvesting 500gr for 1m3. Good times. I moved to another house, built system but something went sneaky wrong in back stage. Harvest went terribly down. At first i thought it was tap water, numbers were too high. Replaced water with cleaner, but sickness spread. Took control of the humidity with an extra air conditioner, cleaned the pots, cleaned all buckets, replaced with new etc. But still harvest went down (120grs 1m3), plants got weaker. Some flies appeared. Fungus gnat? The more i research, i saw techniques to destroy their larvas and kill them. Neem oil, covering soil with white stones (bentonite Something?) , hydrogen peroxide...

None seems to solve the problem. Yes, killed them partially, but didnt make the holocaust... It seems some survive and populate again. I dont know if its the problem or the result of the problem..... But i know my plants are sick and no other experiences growers could help. I'm attaching photos

Thanks for your time

You look mag and potassium deficient. It really depends on what you did exactly only you know. You grow in dirt did you dump too much neem on the roots maybe. did you use hydrogen peroxide at too high of a strength and burnt your roots up. Did you over feed and burnt the plant up kind of looks like that may have happened.

fungas nats are no big deal just try to keep the top soil dry when you can and put out the yellow sticky traps, or dimacious dirt what ever that stuff is the crushed glass about an inch thick in top of your pots. Kind of easy to control fungas nats.

Same strain for years. Your genetics might be weak might be time for some fresh strains.

Not very much info to go on Too low humidity.?

Move back to the old house.

Looking at the pic again I would say you jacked up your roots then the plant started to feed on itself and you dumped a high ppm on it and burnt it up.

Fungus gnat larva damage probably didn't help roots. Orange oil kills the little shits.

hotrodharley said:

Fungus gnat larva damage probably didn't help roots. Orange oil kills the little shits.

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This ^^^ Coolnick.

Check you ph isn't way low too....

Good luck,

Clones are growing slower too. They come to their height in a month, equal to the growth in 2 weeks my past years, all times... Cleaned the incubator too. Still confused.

Bernie420 said:

You look mag and potassium deficient. It really depends on what you did exactly only you know. You grow in dirt did you dump too much neem on the roots maybe. did you use hydrogen peroxide at too high of a strength and burnt your roots up. Did you over feed and burnt the plant up kind of looks like that may have happened.

fungas nats are no big deal just try to keep the top soil dry when you can and put out the yellow sticky traps, or dimacious dirt what ever that stuff is the crushed glass about an inch thick in top of your pots. Kind of easy to control fungas nats.

Same strain for years. Your genetics might be weak might be time for some fresh strains.

Not very much info to go on Too low humidity.?

Move back to the old house.

Looking at the pic again I would say you jacked up your roots then the plant started to feed on itself and you dumped a high ppm on it and burnt it up.

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Thank you for everything

hotrodharley said:

Fungus gnat larva damage probably didn't help roots. Orange oil kills the little shits.

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Thanks, will try that. And thanks to tim also

I keep a 9" high velocity fan on the floor of the tent, and over a couple weeks it seems to break their life cycle because they can't fly, and I don't see gnats again until I open the next bag of fox farm

As far as what you've got going on I haven't a guess, but I can help with the fungus gnats, best of luck!

Beachwalker said:

I keep a 9" high velocity fan on the floor of the tent, and over a couple weeks it seems to break their life cycle because they can't fly, and I don't see gnats again until I open the next bag of fox farm

As far as what you've got going on I haven't a guess, but I can help with the fungus gnats, best of luck!

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I have 4x1000w hps
Cant solve it with ventilation

More about me, i have more than 10 years in growing. Indoor for 7 years. This is the first time i encounter this problem and cant solve it.

I use hesi nutrient team, and water plants in time, not much. Thosw experiences have matured in early years...

My strains are goji og (5 years old), critical kush (3 years old).

But i have same problem with new strains too. I will post photo of incubator now. I used to get 10/10 healthy clones, but now only 1/10 can barely make it.... Newly clones have yellow leaf ends as you'll see.

Guys, i need to know how you use orange oil? I will definitely try that.

Humidity
Lights on %50-65
Off %60-70

Water ph 5.8-6.7
Water temp 16-21'celcius

Airconditioner 24000btu

Temp and humidity always under control.
Only hydrogen peroxide reduced flies, but not killed all. Diatomic soil didnt Work a bit.

Orange oil is my only last chance.
Please help thank you for all your interests... I hope the best for you all.

Look into mosquito dunks for gnats.

leather lungs said:

Look into mosquito dunks for gnats.

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not for sale in my country.

i'm hoping orange oil will do the trick. But when i look in to recipes
they have extra stuff in the mixtures.... all ingredients are new expenses, and some are imported
some are hard to find.

everyone else defeated the enemy easily. I can't....

can't it be any easier ?
I'm fighting this enemy for 3 months now. and got my harvest from 500-600 grs to 130grs . 4 plants 1m2 1000w hps

Coolnick said:

not for sale in my country.

i'm hoping orange oil will do the trick. But when i look in to recipes
they have extra stuff in the mixtures.... all ingredients are new expenses, and some are imported
some are hard to find.

everyone else defeated the enemy easily. I can't....

can't it be any easier ?
I'm fighting this enemy for 3 months now. and got my harvest from 500-600 grs to 130grs . 4 plants 1m2 1000w hps

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Are you looking for a fast trick to take care of your problem. Just get those yellow traps and get a bunch if your worried about it.

This what I would do if I was you. Get a spray bottle, get some neem oil mix up a quart of it per instructions that means a little dish soap in it and just spray the top of your soil so that it is a little damp, spray around the bottom drain holes of your pot as well. Put your sticky traps on top of your pots. The unused mix will keep and not go bad so there is no waste there so one quart should last a while. That right there will take care of your fungas nats.

Unless you let this go for the entire grow and it has gotten to biblical proportions I doubt that this is the problem why your yield got cut like it did. You moved so the entire environment has changed your water source has changed. Your mother plant lost is vigor maybe time for new genetics, something else is wrong other than some fungas nats as to why your grow is lacking.

Coolnick said:

I have 4x1000w hps
Cant solve it with ventilation

More about me, i have more than 10 years in growing. Indoor for 7 years. This is the first time i encounter this problem and cant solve it.

I use hesi nutrient team, and water plants in time, not much. Thosw experiences have matured in early years...

My strains are goji og (5 years old), critical kush (3 years old).

But i have same problem with new strains too. I will post photo of incubator now. I used to get 10/10 healthy clones, but now only 1/10 can barely make it.... Newly clones have yellow leaf ends as you'll see.

Guys, i need to know how you use orange oil? I will definitely try that.

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Healthy mother plants healthy clones. You have clonex or something in the clone water ppmed to about 300, you dip your cuts in something like vita-grow to help root production. Post a pic of your mother plants. The cuts look mag deficient. what light do you have over your cuts.

Coolnick said:

Humidity
Lights on %50-65
Off %60-70

Water ph 5.8-6.7
Water temp 16-21'celcius

Airconditioner 24000btu

Temp and humidity always under control.
Only hydrogen peroxide reduced flies, but not killed all. Diatomic soil didnt Work a bit.

Orange oil is my only last chance.
Please help thank you for all your interests... I hope the best for you all.

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65% lights on and 70% lights off isnt under control imo. water in at 6.5 ph and get some microbes for the mothers and the grow.

Hydrogen peroxide if used at to strong of a strength will burn off the fine hairs on your roots which are like the most important part of the root. This where you fucked up, and then you dumped on nutes that were too strong and burnt up your plants. Hydrogen peroxide will kill all your microbes in your soil. This is where you fucked up as well. Plants dont grow very well in soil without microbes.


and after all of that since the plant wasnt taking up water you got root rot since there sitting in an over watered pot -- am i right????? microbes dude get some

Too much nitrogen in your mother plants will hinder root production on your cuts best to have just enough nitrogen than to have too much nitrogen when making cuts.