Whats Going On Here?!!?

Hey. Alright so i will sum a few things up really fast i guess.

There about 10 weeks old. started 12/12 on friday. this was also the first time i gave them any nutes. gave them Schults 10-15-10 at 1/2 strength

In Veg they where under 4x 100watt Equi cfls
Friday i Switched them to 4x 150watt Equiv cfls 2700's
1 is in MG Organic
1 is in MG Potting Soil
They are abit stretched because i was on vacation and i raised the lights up abit. not that they where not alrdy stretched abit but meh.
I do not over water. i make sure to use my moisture meter almost religiously
In there younger stages they fought heat problems for awhile but have recovered from that sense
I was very happy to find that they where still alive and well when i got back from vacation. how ever i do have a few questions and concerns.

1. See that bottom yellow Leaf. is that from me giving them to much nutes? that was not yellow when i left.
Humidity stays around 45% and temps very from 78-84.
Also Notice my 2 PC fans blowing in the side. these are my intake fans i also was usen to beat the branchs abit for strength is it bad there right on the plant? they are not very strong fans
2. Notice the top halfs of the plants are nice and perky. And the bottom halfs are kinda slouching. This was like this for at least a week before i went to 12/12. i hoped it would correct its self.
3. Also notice the Plant on the right the leafs are are kinda curling in.. This has also been like this for 3 weeks give or take with no change.
4. If you notice anything else let me know
5. Should i start adding molasses at this point and how much?
I just actualy walked in the door not to long ago.
Also if you need anymore info dont be afraid to ask.
Oh and the Piece is just something i picked up wall on vacation and hopen my dry spell will end soon so i can use it. been 2 weaks sense i got baked.

Foolieo said:

Hey. Alright so i will sum a few things up really fast i guess.

There about 10 weeks old. started 12/12 on friday. this was also the first time i gave them any nutes. gave them Schults 10-15-10 at 1/2 strength

In Veg they where under 4x 100watt Equi cfls
Friday i Switched them to 4x 150watt Equiv cfls 2700's
1 is in MG Organic
1 is in MG Potting Soil
They are abit stretched because i was on vacation and i raised the lights up abit. not that they where not alrdy stretched abit but meh.
I do not over water. i make sure to use my moisture meter almost religiously
In there younger stages they fought heat problems for awhile but have recovered from that sense
I was very happy to find that they where still alive and well when i got back from vacation. how ever i do have a few questions and concerns.

1. See that bottom yellow Leaf. is that from me giving them to much nutes? that was not yellow when i left.
Humidity stays around 45% and temps very from 78-84.
Also Notice my 2 PC fans blowing in the side. these are my intake fans i also was usen to beat the branchs abit for strength is it bad there right on the plant? they are not very strong fans
2. Notice the top halfs of the plants are nice and perky. And the bottom halfs are kinda slouching. This was like this for at least a week before i went to 12/12. i hoped it would correct its self.
3. Also notice the Plant on the right the leafs are are kinda curling in.. This has also been like this for 3 weeks give or take with no change.
4. If you notice anything else let me know
I just actualy walked in the door not to long ago.
Also if you need anymore info dont be afraid to ask.
Oh and the Piece is just something i picked up wall on vacation and hopen my dry spell will end soon so i can use it. been 2 weaks sense i got baked.

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whats the Ph?

right around 6.5 give or take .2

been usen a soil ph test kit. so i test the soil about 4-5 inchs down. all around the pot. i have a ph meter in the mail. once that comes in i plan to test the run off as well for maybe a more accurite reading. but i know they are not far off from the recommended 6.5
i found at the local pet store a bottle of 6.5 ph balance for aquariums i did not purchase yet wanted to make sure that was ok to use first. was kinda thinking with something like that if your low or high that would balance it ether way could be wrong. but thats a whole differant question

i just wanted to comment on the wall pc fans.
if there stuck to the wall like that how will air get in from the back of them
i always thought that hindered them but i could be wrong tho

Megax29 said:

i just wanted to comment on the wall pc fans.
if there stuck to the wall like that how will air get in from the back of them
i always thought that hindered them but i could be wrong tho

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there are holes behind those fans going to the outside of the box with 2 dryer vent covers over the holes to stop light from getting in.
those are acting as my intake and fans to strengthen the stems and leaves. i dont really have anywhere else inside the box to mount a circulating fan like i would like to do.

78 viewing plant problems and cant get any help

any fresh minds on? maybe get some help today?

Foolieo said:

there are holes behind those fans going to the outside of the box with 2 dryer vent covers over the holes to stop light from getting in.
those are acting as my intake and fans to strengthen the stems and leaves. i dont really have anywhere else inside the box to mount a circulating fan like i would like to do.

78 viewing plant problems and cant get any help

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Sorry man, don't really know what to tell ya. Have you inspected soil and underside of the leaves? No insects right? I mean usually if its not a Ph issue, Nute burn issue, Overwateing / Heating or a bug issue, then its kinda hard to give advice....

I hope some makes a brilliant suggestion soon, otherwise good luck man, hope your crop grows well.

do you now the strain or are they bag seed maybe fruit flys might have gotten to em

oh yeah i have closely inspected all the leaves with camera and microscope for insects along with the soil. i dug at least 6 inchs down in any direction in the soil also looking for insects and nothing. really hopen some experience growers pop in :-/ they seem very rare to come by. i have never seen any insect at all in there chamber. not even little fruit flys :-/. no i dont know the strain the seeds where given to me from one of my girlfriends friends who grows i will have her send him a text asking what strain. but on a side note that might not work due to i tried his seeds and a few bag seeds and in the process of transplanting i lost there lables as to what was wat.

Foolieo said:

oh yeah i have closely inspected all the leaves with camera and microscope for insects along with the soil. i dug at least 6 inchs down in any direction in the soil also looking for insects and nothing. really hopen some experience growers pop in :-/ they seem very rare to come by. i have never seen any insect at all in there chamber. not even little fruit flys :-/. no i dont know the strain the seeds where given to me from one of my girlfriends friends who grows i will have her send him a text asking what strain. but on a side note that might not work due to i tried his seeds and a few bag seeds and in the process of transplanting i lost there lables as to what was wat.

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Hey Man-- found this thread, check it out-- there is some good advice about diff. nute diffincies. Might be worth looking at.

Good Luck!

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/216334-fungus-ph-nute-burn-ohh.html

Toker88 said:

Hey Man-- found this thread, check it out-- there is some good advice about diff. nute diffincies. Might be worth looking at.

Good Luck!

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/216334-fungus-ph-nute-burn-ohh.html

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thank you looking now
more people help the better chances of me solving this problem. feel free to chime in and ask questions or offer your ideas. dont wait to long to the point where the problem worsens. thats how this forum seems to work lately

well i was going threw the soil and leaves 1 more time. trying to waste time untill someone chimes in to help. and i walked away and felt something crawling on my fingers. a small little black beetle i tried to get a picture of it but my camera couldnt focus on something that small. it was about 3/16th round. i didnt get a clear image of it because i kinda crushed half of it before i relised it was on my finger. but it looked like it had wings under its shell.... i looked everywhere again and still no signs of insects or insect damage. so maybe he just recently wondered in there.... ether way he is dead now and i dont see any sacks in the soil of eggs and i see nothing in the leafs.

But the problems im haven according to all the dmg guides i have read is not from insects. feel free Pro's to lend a helping hand.
kiss-ass

you could try shulz or neem oil if u got bug problems

Megax29 said:

you could try shulz or neem oil if u got bug problems

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if it turns out i do have a bug problem i will be getting some neem oil right away. but i dont think thats the issue.

My cats find little insects around my house all the time. just thinking that beetle crawled in from my house.

i will say one thing man u need more lights more more more at least 2 per plant i had same problem then my buds turn out beautiful as u see it excited me hahaha

scwascwa said:

i will say one thing man u need more lights more more more at least 2 per plant i had same problem then my buds turn out beautiful as u see it excited me hahaha

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im usen 600 watts of 2700k cfls for 2 plants that should be more then enough. alot of ppl run less in cfl equivlent and get away with it. heck i vegged them with less and they strived. i just upped them another 200 watts when i switched to 12/12. maybe i will add more lights down the road... but the more u add the more heat u get also. and right now its stable. If i add more lights then i will start haven heat stress on my plants

also my other plant looked like that and someone told me that while using nutes sometimes they get built up in the soil because of all of the salts so u might want to try flushing it out and only use nutes every 2 to 3 days it helped mine out looked just like that but if your using miracle grow then dont do that because it will just burn them to the ground hope i helped

scwascwa said:

also my other plant looked like that and someone told me that while using nutes sometimes they get built up in the soil because of all of the salts so u might want to try flushing it out and only use nutes every 2 to 3 days it helped mine out looked just like that but if your using miracle grow then dont do that because it will just burn them to the ground hope i helped

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I have only given them 1 dose of nutes at 1/2 strength and i believe the MG soil is just about all out of the auto feed nutes that come with it. the soils about 2 months old at this point and i did over water them alot when they where younger usen up the nutes even faster. when my ph meters come in the mail i was going to do a flush on 1 of them just for haha's i guess. test the run off ect..

well if your nutes came in the soil and u over watered them then u def dont have much if any left and your plants are probably tired and struggling because there used to gettin the nutes and now cant that would also cause that problem.

i fu can be careful enough i would transplant them with new soil making sure u dont rip the roots and then they should grow fatter stand up and look a lot better when they're getting wat they want... they are living things just like us they dont get wat they want they will shit on u haha try some of those things see if they work

Im not a pro by any means but I am on my 3rd grow. This is what i know. I seen this before and I atributed to Miracle grow, which isnt formulated for cannabis. Its unbalanced and not suted for growing weed. You should be fine though. Problem is like scwascwa said MC has time release ferts so if you try to flush it all it does is release more ferts which would be bad. Next grow I suggest you pick up some Fox Farms. As for your current grow, as long as it doesnt get worst/spread you should be fine, they look pretty good to me. So dont worry to much, like I said MC isnt balanced so the plant tends to "eat" itself sometimes to regain the nutes its lacking. I would do nothing but do regular water feeds until you notice a difference. I NEVER seen a MC grown cannabis plant looking perfectly pretty. But I have seen some yeald rather decently, also someone mentioned more lights, yea If you still have those 100 watt equiv go to home depot and buy some socket splitters, they are like $2 each and add those 4 lights to the mix. While your there pick up 2 or 4 300w equiv 2700k cfls, they will run you about $15 but will substantually up your yeald! I did it and was plenty happy.

They like mixed spectrum lighting expecially when they are going into flowering as I assume you should be doing soon. Remember, you wont believe how big and fast they grow the first 3 weeks of flowering! They may end up 3 times taller! And your using cfl's so that would be no good for you since you would need to invest in like $80 worth of lights just to keep up with it then, if you want to get a decent yeald. You dont want all that work to be wasted on some skimpy wispy lite "popcorn" buds. When they start to flower I would keep the lights pretty close to the buds, just close enough that they will get the proper amount of lumens. About 2 inches and no farther than 4 inches (which is too far imho) that should make them nice big and juicy. You'll thank me.

Take it from me, I did the whole cfl thing to death. Hope this helps.