What should I do next?

Calicode

Calicode

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I need help does anyone have any idea of what I should do next? I am currently going through nitrogen toxicity but this past week I have been just using plain water I am growing in Fox Farm soil using 3 gallon pots and I need help on what to do next? The toxicity is clearing up so now I need help on should I continue flushing the plant or should I add maybe 1/4 of the nutrients that are recommended? I am using the emerald Harvest line of nutrients everything has been pretty good besides the obvious of the nutrient burn and the nitrogen toxicity but I just want to know based on you guys experience if the pictures would do any justice on you having any information on what I should do next. Right now I am one day away from being in my 5th week of flower. Indoor 400 watt hps.
 

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chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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how did you experience N toxicity this late in flower? how do you know for sure this is the issue?
if it is the last thing you want to do is kill your soil beneficial bacteria, deplete oxygen in the root zone, and upset your ph and delicate soil/fungal web while your plant is recovering. too much nitrogen? stop feeding nitrogen aye, you cant wash it out of the plant.
water when dry, not before. feed when needed.
 
Calicode

Calicode

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chemphlegm said:
how did you experience N toxicity this late in flower? how do you know for sure this is the issue?
if it is the last thing you want to do is kill your soil beneficial bacteria, deplete oxygen in the root zone, and upset your ph and delicate soil/fungal web while your plant is recovering. too much nitrogen? stop feeding nitrogen aye, you cant wash it out of the plant.
water when dry, not before. feed when needed.
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I got this advice from another thread that I posted. I've been flushing for about a week straight. I have to water every other day. Do they look like they can use some nutes?
 
Calicode

Calicode

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chemphlegm said:
how did you experience N toxicity this late in flower? how do you know for sure this is the issue?
if it is the last thing you want to do is kill your soil beneficial bacteria, deplete oxygen in the root zone, and upset your ph and delicate soil/fungal web while your plant is recovering. too much nitrogen? stop feeding nitrogen aye, you cant wash it out of the plant.
water when dry, not before. feed when needed.
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Also the runoff has been consistently at 6.5ish
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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your run off ph will make not make up for dead beneficial organisms, oxygen depletion, dead fungus in the root zone.
if you are N toxic and not allowing your soil to dry between waterings you are suffering plant health right now.
you'll first need to explain how you arrived at a N toxicity, or at least why you believe it to be.
pouring water through wet soil every day and checking the ph of that water is meaningless.
I would water with plain water, allow to dry right before plant wilts, then repeat. when new growth is noticed I would begin proper nutritional support.
but first I'd download all of these and read up. your plants are about to get real serious and you'll need much more info


http://catnews.org/FREE Pot Books/
 
Calicode

Calicode

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chemphlegm said:
your run off ph will make not make up for dead beneficial organisms, oxygen depletion, dead fungus in the root zone.
if you are N toxic and not allowing your soil to dry between waterings you are suffering plant health right now.
you'll first need to explain how you arrived at a N toxicity, or at least why you believe it to be.
pouring water through wet soil every day and checking the ph of that water is meaningless.
I would water with plain water, allow to dry right before plant wilts, then repeat. when new growth is noticed I would begin proper nutritional support.
but first I'd download all of these and read up. your plants are about to get real serious and you'll need much more info


http://catnews.org/FREE Pot Books/
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Here's the thread that I started a week ago. To give more insight on what happened

https://www.rollitup.org/t/add-nutrients-during-every-feeding.953285/
 
Calicode

Calicode

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chemphlegm said:
your run off ph will make not make up for dead beneficial organisms, oxygen depletion, dead fungus in the root zone.
if you are N toxic and not allowing your soil to dry between waterings you are suffering plant health right now.
you'll first need to explain how you arrived at a N toxicity, or at least why you believe it to be.
pouring water through wet soil every day and checking the ph of that water is meaningless.
I would water with plain water, allow to dry right before plant wilts, then repeat. when new growth is noticed I would begin proper nutritional support.
but first I'd download all of these and read up. your plants are about to get real serious and you'll need much more info


http://catnews.org/FREE Pot Books/
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Also the soil is dry before I water. I have a dry meter as well. The water pools up a little bit every time I water. Which would indicate that it's dry enough correct? I'm asking because this is my first grow.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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oh yeah, now I remember!

you need to stick to one feeding program, there are no tricks, no speeding up, no bulking up,provide needed plant resources and the plants already know just what to do. spend money on better controls and skip the additives.
 
Calicode

Calicode

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chemphlegm said:
oh yeah, now I remember!

you need to stick to one feeding program, there are no tricks, no speeding up, no bulking up,provide needed plant resources and the plants already know just what to do. spend money on better controls and skip the additives.
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Better controls? Sorry I'm new lmao
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Calicode said:
Also the soil is dry before I water. I have a dry meter as well. The water pools up a little bit every time I water. Which would indicate that it's dry enough correct? I'm asking because this is my first grow.
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1)fill a same pot with dry dirt, feel the weight or weigh it even.
2)now add only 1/4 the soil volume in water. a one gallon pot need one quart of water added all at once. now feel the weight again.

when pot feels like 1 again, go to 2 all the way through the grow, no matter container size.
moisture meter on the shelf now...
 
Calicode

Calicode

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chemphlegm said:
1)fill a same pot with dry dirt, feel the weight or weigh it even.
2)now add only 1/4 the soil volume in water. a one gallon pot need one quart of water added all at once. now feel the weight again.
when pot feels like 1 again, go to 2 all the way through the grow, no matter container size.
Sadly I'm unable to do that I'm growing in a scrog.
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Fractured but whole

Fractured but whole

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Calicode said:
Yes while that is true, in my defense the pH level was below or around 5 I believe. Just saying
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bottom line, distilled doesn't belong in the garden and it caused the same issues in your plants as others that have used it. The other diagnosis was wrong and a massive flushing was wrong. so, now you are on R/o, you still need to figure out if your nute line has enough cal/mag in it so you can determine if you need to supplement or not.
 
Calicode

Calicode

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Fractured but whole said:
bottom line, distilled doesn't belong in the garden and it caused the same issues in your plants as others that have used it. The other diagnosis was wrong and a massive flushing was wrong. so, now you are on R/o, you still need to figure out if your nute line has enough cal/mag in it so you can determine if you need to supplement or not.
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You may be correct but I've never heard that before as far as distilled water goes. I have cal mag by itself, should I start using it? What about the dark and shiny leaves? What should I do now as far as using nutes?
 
Dynamo626

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Fractured but whole said:
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This leaf you posted is a classic sign of someone using distilled
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Really? Never used anything but distilled water never even herd of a clasic sign of distilled water lol. There is plenty enough calcium in ffof alone with no nutes under weak lights ( again no offence) my first grow was with happy frog under a 90w led then my second 360w led in ffof again no problem. Experienced my first deficiency my 3rd grow under 468w led in ffof. Those are actual draws on power.
The 360w led is the same as a 450w hps
The 468w led is the same as 600w hps
 
Calicode

Calicode

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Dynamo626 said:
Really? Never used anything but distilled water never even herd of a clasic sign of distilled water lol. There is plenty enough calcium in ffof alone with no nutes under weak lights ( again no offence) my first grow was with happy frog under a 90w led then my second 360w led in ffof again no problem. Experienced my first deficiency my 3rd grow under 468w led in ffof. Those are actual draws on power.
The 360w led is the same as a 450w hps
The 468w led is the same as 600w hps
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That was a first for me as well but I'm taking in all information.
 
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