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Brick Top

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You and UB are complete contraditctions. According to you two everything there is to know about growing cannibas has already been written decades ago and there are no improvements to be made.

No, but people like you do continually attempt to spin what we say into having a different meaning so you can make false claims like you just above.

Certain things about plants are facts, scientifically proven facts, period, three end. Just like gravity has not ceased to be a fact just because it was not thought up in some guy's basement last week, scientifically proven facts about plants remain just that, scientifically proven facts.

It is the ignorance of many growers and their desperation for 'more and better' that causes them to be susceptible to every wacko voodoo growing method or claim that comes down the pike.

Do you honestly believe that just because someone attempt something different in their closet grow or PC case grow or basement or attic grow that suddenly plants that have had thousands and thousands and thousands of years of evolution and genetic coding that tells them to release certain hormones at certain times in certain locations in certain amounts in response to some certain event or stage of growth will not do it or will do it totally different because some little clown shoe playing mad Dr. Ganjastein thinks he can make them do it different, or more accurately doesn't even have the slightest clue of what happens and just takes a shot in the dark not knowing what to expect and has no idea whatsoever of what sort of reaction plants will have to their insanity?

Some plant facts were discovered 100 years ago or more and no matter how many times they have been tested by more up to date modern high tech equipment the proven facts remained precisely that, facts. Do you really think that someone piddling around in a greenhouse or in their backyard or basement will come up with something totally new and different to try that not so much as one single horticulturalist ever thought to attempt over the many, many, MANY decades that plants have nee scientifically researched, and even is someone piddling around in their basement or closet did by sheer luck stumble across something different to try that they would possess the needed high tech equipment to prove their lucky finding to be fact, and of course that their piddling around would have been performed under highly controlled conditions and there would be multiple test groups run to make the needed comparisons that the needed equipment to prove actual proof would need to also test to prove what the guy piddling around thought he might have stumbled across?

Through ignorance, lack of actual education in botanical matters, many growers want and need to believe that cannabis plants are different, that because they produce cannabinoids that they are not like other plants and that proven scientific facts to not pertain to them or that because at least some of the facts were proven way back well before their grandparents were born that they no longer apply, that they are no longer valid. that the facts have gone beyond their expiration date.

Those same people might as well go to the nearest cliff or tall building and leap off and expect to float or be able to fly thinking that because gravity is not some new discovery that it can no longer apply in the modern world of 2011.

Are cannabis plants 100% fully understood? No. Thanks to the limitations of scientific research some things about cannabis are still mysteries. But they are things like exactly how many cannabinoids and terpenoids and flavonoids there are and the same with monoterpenoids (C10H16) and monoterpenoids (C10H180) andmonoterpene phenols (C10H14O) and sesquiterpenoids (C15H24) and aliphatic esters and hetero compounds and phenylpropanes and aromatic acids and misc compounds in cannabis plants and are there still more that have not yet been discovered and what all their functions are and how they interact with each other. No little clown shoe with a garage grow will ever unravel those remaining mysteries.

But things like Uncle Ben and I write about are not such things, they are things that have long been known to be rock solid scientifically proven facts that have been tested and retested far more than enough times to have been proven to be every bit as factual as the existence of gravity.

It is the combination of ignorance, arrogance, desperation and gullibility that causes many growers to believe that they have or can or will discover something that near countless PhD's who specialized in or currently specialize in horticultural science and who spent, or are spending, their entire lives scientifically researching plants, including some who specialize in the scientific research of cannabis plants, that they will discover what the scientists have missed or have gotten wrong and that the closet grower will be the first to discover something and then prove it beyond any doubt to be factual.

Again, those very same people might just as well doubt and refuse to accept the existence of gravity and leap off a tall cliff or tall building and expect to float or fly. Their odds of successfully doing so are equal to that of disproving the facts that Uncle Ben, or at times myself, write about.

Like it or not, accept it or not, it is as much of a fact as the existence of gravity being a fact.
 

Uncle Ben

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Reading this made me feel like a A1 student. Never argued with veteran horticulturalists. You boys might learn something from brick top and uncle ben, hell they don't know me because i read and don't asked questions. After all they are proven facts. UB is a pro.
Well, I know what teachers must have to go thru these days. Bit by bit, BT just articulated ALL aspects of this business, relative to real horticulture - the hype, the human condition, botany, etc. Before anything can be considered conclusive, the scientist will replicate the test 3 times, sometimes under different conditions but not usually. They always use strict controls, a control group to compare to. That just doesn't happen in cannabis forums.

UB
 

shrigpiece

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Well, I know what teachers must have to go thru these days. Bit by bit, BT just articulated ALL aspects of this business, relative to real horticulture - the hype, the human condition, botany, etc. Before anything can be considered conclusive, the scientist will replicate the test 3 times, sometimes under different conditions but not usually. They always use strict controls, a control group to compare to. That just doesn't happen in cannabis forums.

UB
Can't argue with that, maybe i should have worded it proven technique. PEACE and thanks for the insight
 

dlively11

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Bricktop and UB, you two are birds of a feather that is for sure. What do you think chopping your plants to create more colas is doing ? Sure sounds like someone in " little clown shoe playing mad Dr. Ganjastein " at work to me ..... But I guess since its you two supporting this its okay to accept it despite the "thousands and thousand and thousands of years evolution and genetic coding " the plant already had. Funny how you two never see how clearly you contradict yourselves. Accodring to your posts the plants already know what to do. Why then give them artificial light? Why give them HPS lighting over floros, why give them anything other then dirt fro your backyard, why add CO2 or fans , why do a SCROG why do a SOG ??? List goes on and on. I'll spell the answer out for you two really SLOWLY .... To increase the productivity of our plants. Thinking you can not improve on a given technique is short sighted and arrogant. UB cutting the tops to increase his cola count is done for one purpose and that is to increase production for a given style of grow. No different then someone doing a full SOG to get many large colas. Despite what you two would like to believe doing full SOG require leaf removal to geet the really high yields period. It is only YOUR opinion that removing leaves under these circumstances decreases yield since neither of you two have any experience in it. You guys think you are so much better then everyone else in here. You grow your way I grow mine. I have grown your way in the past but have since moved on to much more successful techniques giving me MUCH higher yields with the same strains, same enviroment same nutes same everything. I personally grew thousands of plants both ways in the last year and a 100% increase in yield isnt an "opinion" like you two like to spin it. Fact is it yields much much higher then you two are able to yield with your own methods. Does it make your method wrong, nope just not as efficient. Ever stop to think perhaps you get less yields because of narrowminded views of horticulture ? I take zero credit for my techinique. I picked it up from other very succesfull growers on this and other boards. YOU two are the ones always trying to twist, distort and bash the PROVEN facts of actual growers. You two have a lot more to learn then you realize. Fortunatly for you two , you will never realize this fact.


Guy comes in here seeking knowledge and you two take a big dump all over him. Really nice fellas ...... Could just keep your mouths shut instead you know or actually try and help him .....
 

dlively11

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Well, I know what teachers must have to go thru these days. Bit by bit, BT just articulated ALL aspects of this business, relative to real horticulture - the hype, the human condition, botany, etc. Before anything can be considered conclusive, the scientist will replicate the test 3 times, sometimes under different conditions but not usually. They always use strict controls, a control group to compare to. That just doesn't happen in cannabis forums.

UB
Yet how many times have you totally dismissed the FACT that I did thousands of test plants very controlled and came up with a very consistant and very large increase in my yields utilizing leaf removal ? 50-120 plants at a time per tray with the same nutrients, same air, same medium same genetics and it just gets called "opinion not fact, very unscientific " etc etc etc by you and Bricktop ........ Oh not to mention MANY others having the same results as myself. Try to open your minds and be more respectful of other members, would really be a lot more productive in this comunity. You really ripped this poor OP a new one for asking a very valid question. Not nice but not surprising given how you come across in other threads. LOL funny thing is I recently tried removing less leaves questioning my self a little after all the stuff you two posted and my yields went right back down while they remained the same consistantly high yields on my other trays just as before. I know I know a couple thousand plants grown one way compared to another couple thousand isnt really controlled ,scientific or meaningful in any shape way or form just a bunch of opinionated nonsense. lol......
 

ghb

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hey you gotta give it up, they have been dealing with noob growers for years trying to tell them that they don't know it all, they still don't get tired and stop trying to tell people where they are going wrong. thats real determination, i d'oth my cap to the veterans
 
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