What is the Definition of a Soul?

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Philly_Buddah

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CrackerJax said:
I think it's more about who wants it more. People see and believe what they need to. There are degrees of belief in superstition. Mine is quite low...perhaps nonexistent. Yours (for any number of reasons) is quite high.

The facts are, there is no scientific data that ghosts are real. The human mind can project all sorts of things, and that is why under careful scientific observation....ghosts fail to appear. It's in the human mind, not in the physical world.
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I used to be a skeptic too, then I started having these experiences more and more often. This happened randomly, I knew next to nothing about the supernatural and did no research on them before they started happening. It scared the sh*t outta me when it started happening, I definitely didnt 'see what I wanted to see'.

If the human mind can project all sorts of things than how is it that ghosts have been caught on video and audio devices? How does it explain how multiple people can view the same thing than describe the same exact thing? Ive seen ghosts before, Ive heard them, both alone and while others were present. I know people now who investigate hauntings and Ive seen the video and audio myself.

I dont 'want' for these things to exist, Ive just seen enough evidence for myself to know that they do exist. You come off as either a person who hasnt had any of these experiences, or you have and your just trying your hardest to put them off as 'nothing' for whatever reason, maybe you dont want to believe or your scared I dont know. I do know that theres places on the planet you could go to and youll have no choice but to believe theres more.
 
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PadawanBater

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Philly_Buddah said:
I used to be a skeptic too, then I started having these experiences more and more often. This happened randomly, I knew next to nothing about the supernatural and did no research on them before they started happening. It scared the sh*t outta me when it started happening, I definitely didnt 'see what I wanted to see'.

If the human mind can project all sorts of things than how is it that ghosts have been caught on video and audio devices? How does it explain how multiple people can view the same thing than describe the same exact thing? Ive seen ghosts before, Ive heard them, both alone and while others were present. I know people now who investigate hauntings and Ive seen the video and audio myself.

I dont 'want' for these things to exist, Ive just seen enough evidence for myself to know that they do exist. You come off as either a person who hasnt had any of these experiences, or you have and your just trying your hardest to put them off as 'nothing' for whatever reason, maybe you dont want to believe or your scared I dont know. I do know that theres places on the planet you could go to and youll have no choice but to believe theres more.
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Post it up dude, why are you holding out?
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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You may have not liked the content..... what I mean by see what they want to is in the interpretation of the event.

It's much easier and in ur case preferable to think the event is "outside" of you instead of "inside" of you.
 
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Philly_Buddah

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PadawanBater said:
Post it up dude, why are you holding out?
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I would post it if had it myself, I would have to get permission from the people I know who have it.

CrackerJax said:
You may have not liked the content..... what I mean by see what they want to is in the interpretation of the event.

It's much easier and in ur case preferable to think the event is "outside" of you instead of "inside" of you.
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Youre still not touching the part about multiple people viewing and experiencing the same thing and describing the same exact thing. When you all see a white mostly transparent shape of a person that moves the same as a regular person, hear the persons voice whos not 'there', and see shadows of human outlines that dont belong to any of you what other explanation is there? especially when they do these investigations and they rule out everything else.

Not just the ghost experiences but many of the other experiences I have had been when I was with other people and most the time they experience the same thing, the only things that I usually experience alone are the things that are 'inside' meaning things I can see and experience that the average person cant.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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I'll touch that part.

The physical structures of the brain are consistent across the species except for minor deviations due to mutation or trauma.

The perceptions of these similar structures are also similar. The reliability of these structures is also limited in scope, and parties to a perceived event can be led to believe they saw what they in fact did not see.

Penn and Teller would be happy to provide you with various examples of this, should you chose to do further research.

As for "ruling out everything else", as soon as you say "what other explanation is there" to a shadow of a human outline you've pretty much slapped your gullibility up on a billboard for the world to see. If pareidolia is enough to fix your opinion on the matter, then reason isn't going to work.

Philly_Buddah said:
Youre still not touching the part about multiple people viewing and experiencing the same thing and describing the same exact thing. When you all see a white mostly transparent shape of a person that moves the same as a regular person, hear the persons voice whos not 'there', and see shadows of human outlines that dont belong to any of you what other explanation is there? especially when they do these investigations and they rule out everything else.
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Mr.KushMan

Mr.KushMan

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The synapses are constantly changing, you only retain a brain shape for about 10 minutes at most, and while dreaming the change can be in constant flux.

No two, discernible observers can compare their perception to infinitum, it just isn't possible.

I admit when I have a sense of something greater, maybe I am painting or writing, and "Don't worry, Be happy" turns on on my iTunes shuffle(Which isn't actually random), I understand why one would think that the universe is depicted for them. But at the same time I understand that it is just a cosmic, indeterminable chance.

Maybe the song doesn't exist and its all just brain play,or blanket reality, or it does exist and it just happens to be its time to turn on.

I openly accept the possibility the external world exists while maintaining that I can never prove that as fact. I think people should be taught this in school.

Peace

EDIT: Pareidolia is the word I was looking for in an earlier post. Perception scanning.
 
greensister

greensister

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The soul is a made up magic energy person that people who are afraid of mortality invented because they didnt understand thermodymanics or any laws of energy conservation. Why and how people buy into that crap nowadays is a mystery to me.

Its also some funky music that makes you want to be outta sight!!!
 
Mr.KushMan

Mr.KushMan

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Well if you want to pull thermodynamics into this then you would know that things get more complex not less complex. For a perception to go from brilliant colors and sounds to nothing disobeys a law of entropy.

Einstein said, that math can't describe reality, only its quantities. This should be taken in, as it truly captures the power of perception, that its just to perfect. What we see isn't truly what is being measured, but an interpretation of it.

Peace
 
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Philly_Buddah

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morgentaler said:
I'll touch that part.

The physical structures of the brain are consistent across the species except for minor deviations due to mutation or trauma.

The perceptions of these similar structures are also similar. The reliability of these structures is also limited in scope, and parties to a perceived event can be led to believe they saw what they in fact did not see.

Penn and Teller would be happy to provide you with various examples of this, should you chose to do further research.

As for "ruling out everything else", as soon as you say "what other explanation is there" to a shadow of a human outline you've pretty much slapped your gullibility up on a billboard for the world to see. If pareidolia is enough to fix your opinion on the matter, then reason isn't going to work.
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Its not just the human species, theres been other animal species who react to these things as well. Ive seen many different animals react to these things in different ways, dogs, cats, fish, etc and Ive heard stories from the people I know of many more different kinds of animals. Similar brain structures reacting to so-called 'pareidolia'? I have hundreds of stories from experiences and have seen more than enough myself to know that these things are real.

Im 'gullible'?. I have a genius level IQ, I am a 'healthy' skeptic and Ive done years of research on many topics, the hoaxes, all the BS becomes pretty obvious when youve reached this level. One difference between me and you is Ive already been where youre at now, years ago. I was a skeptic, tried to put these things off as 'nothing' or explain them away with outdated, flawed logic that leaves no room. Until youve actually witnessed these experiences first hand yourself to the extent that I have, you have no credibility even speaking on this topic.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Yes....don't forget that like minded ppl hang out together. Then there is group pressure, and it may not even be a conscious choice.

Last, but not least..... as Philly tries to somehow jump from a mental episode to proof of a soul :roll: ... none of it so far has been verified by science. It is not observable.


Then there is memory recall (sketchy at best) and cognitive dissonance.

It all adds up to NO PROOF. Not even a probability. All evidence points to the end of life ... no continuation what so ever.

Would I like to continue? Sure, who wouldn't ... and that is the motivatrion behind all the wishful thinking. This brings us back to religion/myth.

Is there anything behind the curtain? UNKNOWN....

Is there a curtain? UNKNOWN....

Writing it down doesn't make it true. {Religion)
 
sarah22

sarah22

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Philly_Buddah said:
Its not just the human species, theres been other animal species who react to these things as well. Ive seen many different animals react to these things in different ways, dogs, cats, fish, etc and Ive heard stories from the people I know of many more different kinds of animals. Similar brain structures reacting to so-called 'pareidolia'? I have hundreds of stories from experiences and have seen more than enough myself to know that these things are real.

Im 'gullible'?. I have a genius level IQ, I am a 'healthy' skeptic and Ive done years of research on many topics, the hoaxes, all the BS becomes pretty obvious when youve reached this level. One difference between me and you is Ive already been where youre at now, years ago. I was a skeptic, tried to put these things off as 'nothing' or explain them away with outdated, flawed logic that leaves no room. Until youve actually witnessed these experiences first hand yourself to the extent that I have, you have no credibility even speaking on this topic.
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i agree with you...that people who havent had personal experiences just dont hold that much credibility. you cant really judge these things until you've experienced them for yourself. i think thats true in ANY area too. like i had a friend who, during the height of her depression, was a self-harmer. i didnt understand that because i hadnt been through it, now that i've been through it myself i get it 100% and any of my previous thoughts on the subject have changed drastically due to having personal experience.
 
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PadawanBater

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Personal experience and delusion are two different things.

I don't mean to offend anyone, but how could you guys possibly say something exists without any evidence to support it? Don't you see how absurd that is?

Essentially what you guys are saying is "it exists, you just haven't discovered it yet". If it does exist, and I have not discovered it yet, then it's irrelevant and as far as I can perceive, it does not exist.

If I can't perceive something existing, then it doesn't in the very definition of the word, as our perceptions are what dictates what is real and what isn't. And like I said, it isn't subjective.
 
sarah22

sarah22

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PadawanBater said:
Personal experience and delusion are two different things.

I don't mean to offend anyone, but how could you guys possibly say something exists without any evidence to support it? Don't you see how absurd that is?

Essentially what you guys are saying is "it exists, you just haven't discovered it yet". If it does exist, and I have not discovered it yet, then it's irrelevant and as far as I can perceive, it does not exist.

If I can't perceive something existing, then it doesn't in the very definition of the word, as our perceptions are what dictates what is real and what isn't. And like I said, it isn't subjective.
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lol i dont think its absurd at all. i dont like to look at life through a keyhole. its incredibly difficult for me to understand your take on this too. to require proof for absolutely everything or it didnt happen...if you got hit in the hand with thin air, hard enough to dent your fingernail...what in the world would you think? really? what would you think? you're standing there...in front of a shelf in the basement looking for something, and all of a sudden you have pain in your hand, specifically one finger, and it felt like you'd been hit in the hand by something solid, even though nothing solid touched you. and that dent was visible to not only yourself but other people. how would you explain that?
 
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PadawanBater

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sarah22 said:
lol i dont think its absurd at all. i dont like to look at life through a keyhole. its incredibly difficult for me to understand your take on this too. to require proof for absolutely everything or it didnt happen...if you got hit in the hand with thin air, hard enough to dent your fingernail...what in the world would you think? really? what would you think? you're standing there...in front of a shelf in the basement looking for something, and all of a sudden you have pain in your hand, specifically one finger, and it felt like you'd been hit in the hand by something solid, even though nothing solid touched you. and that dent was visible to not only yourself but other people. how would you explain that?
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I would mark it up to unknown and move on.

My question to you is, why would you conclude you knew what it was at all when you didn't? It's one thing to say "I don't know" and an entirely different thing to believe you do. One is honest and one isn't.

Again, I don't mean to offend you at all. :weed:
 
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Philly_Buddah

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The existence of ghosts, spirits, reincarnations, etc has all already been proven a long time ago. You may have not heard about it but even if you havent experienced these things, do enough research on it and youll find it.

There has been people, even recently, who have recalled past lives and the other person was proven to have existed. Many of these were investigated thoroughly and there was no other way for the person to know these things.

As I said there has been ghosts caught on video and audio devices along with being detected other ways. There have been ghosts seen that look exactly like a person, clothes and everything, and that person was found to have existed before, they saw a picture of them after and it looked identical. This has happened thousands of times. I have experienced and researched enough to go on with examples for hours, but I know people have to experience it themselves and do their own unbiased research to reach the truth.

Either accept it or not, but the fact is there is more. The super-skeptics are a product of todays society, manufactured, brainwashed, and blinded. Theyre in the same category as religious hardcore creationists. Neither of them are balanced or open minded.
 
fulbright

fulbright

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Philly_Buddah said:
The existence of ghosts, spirits, reincarnations, etc has all already been proven a long time ago. You may have not heard about it but even if you havent experienced these things, do enough research on it and youll find it.

There has been people, even recently, who have recalled past lives and the other person was proven to have existed. Many of these were investigated thoroughly and there was no other way for the person to know these things.

As I said there has been ghosts caught on video and audio devices along with being detected other ways. There have been ghosts seen that look exactly like a person, clothes and everything, and that person was found to have existed before, they saw a picture of them after and it looked identical. This has happened thousands of times. I have experienced and researched enough to go on with examples for hours, but I know people have to experience it themselves and do their own unbiased research to reach the truth.

Either accept it or not, but the fact is there is more. The super-skeptics are a product of todays society, manufactured, brainwashed, and blinded. Theyre in the same category as religious hardcore creationists. Neither of them are balanced or open minded.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :spew:

Alright, seriously. If this has been PROVEN, then where are the facts. Don't give us stories you've heard through seven different people. Give us verifiable FACTS. Show me a successful study done on the paranormal that passes the muster of the scientific world.

I've read at least two separate requests for facts from you and you've yet to give any.

There is a difference between you saying there is proof and showing the proof. Maybe you don't get that. :???:

"There have been..."
"There have been..."
"There have been..."

WHERE? SHOW US!!!!
 
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