What is meant by F1 hybrid?

lol i guess breeder terms are alittle to above some people if you ever dealt with a dog breeder its no different

Boy lots of bad info here on F1, here is what you need to know, F1 and F2 are unstable and can show different Pheno's F3 are stable.

[FONT=&quot]What is an F1, F2, and IBL? [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]An IBL (inbred line) is a genetically homogeneous strain that grows uniformly from seed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A hybrid is a strain made up of two genetically unlike parents, IBL or hybrid.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When you cross two different IBL strains for the FIRST time, it is called the F1 generation. When you cross two of the same F1 hybrid (inbreed), it is called the F2 generation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The process of selective inbreeding must continue at least until the F4 to stabilize the recurrently selected traits. When you cross two specimens of an IBL variety, you get more of the same, because an IBL is homozygous, or true breeding for particular traits.[/FONT]

Thanks for the info Woodsmaneh, so if I understand what you are saying, there could be problems with any strain labeled as a F1? So if a person was to order some seeds that are F1 strains they might not end up with the product advertised? I guess it might just be best to stay away from those strains all together? Thanks for the valuable information.

woodsmaneh! said:

Boy lots of bad info here on F1, here is what you need to know, F1 and F2 are unstable and can show different Pheno's F3 are stable.

[FONT=&quot]What is an F1, F2, and IBL? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]An IBL (inbred line) is a genetically homogeneous strain that grows uniformly from seed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A hybrid is a strain made up of two genetically unlike parents, IBL or hybrid.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]When you cross two different IBL strains for the FIRST time, it is called the F1 generation. When you cross two of the same F1 hybrid (inbreed), it is called the F2 generation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The process of selective inbreeding must continue at least until the F4 to stabilize the recurrently selected traits. When you cross two specimens of an IBL variety, you get more of the same, because an IBL is homozygous, or true breeding for particular traits.[/FONT]

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lol how you are correctt i dont agree with the fact that you said that f1 is unstable... f1 is the most stable hybrid ibl 's are inbred which obviously localizes the ttraits you are wanting but ibl's arre not the stable for breeding f1s are teh stable for breeding

Thanks f1 are stable if you get them from a trusted breeder. F2-and beyond are when you open up the genes.

catfish1000 said:

i was told by a friend in a dispensary that F1 is named that because it was a federally grown strain

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AAHahahahha what a retard.
Sorry i had to let that out.

I always wondered this myself, well explained! Got a F1 hybrid goin at the moment.

F1s are stable? Are you people seriously having a laugh? Doesn't matter what breeder you buy from, F1 seeds will be random as fuck. Thats like saying if you mate two random dogs all the pups will be the same.

People need to stop giving advice when they just don't know...

F1s are stable? Are you people seriously having a laugh? Doesn't matter what breeder you buy from, F1 seeds will be random as fuck. Thats like saying if you mate two random dogs all the pups will be the same.

People need to stop giving advice when they just don't know...

And for complete accuracy, they havnt only got different phenotypes, all the seeds will have different genotypes!

Double post,phone had a shit attack!

Harrekin can you go deeper? This is something i want a good understanding of if possible

Where to start...ok, each chromosome in the plant is made up of two strings of DNA,each gene working as a pair, with one from each parent. So when you cross one plant with another,it gives half of a set of DNA in it's pollen/ovum (which is a mixture of the genes it got from it's parents), so every grain of pollen has different traits contained, meaning each seed in the first generation (F1) will be a random mix of the parents. Generally speaking the best/most desirable for you plant from these seeds is chosen and usually backcrossed back to the original mother plant (this gives you F2).

You do this because you are limiting the genes each generation to reduce variety.

Then the best/most desirable plant is again chosen to be backcrossed to the original mother again (giving you your F3) and so forth.

Backcrossing isnt the only way to do it but the most simple to explain.

Harrekin said:

Where to start...ok, each chromosome in the plant is made up of two strings of DNA,each gene working as a pair, with one from each parent. So when you cross one plant with another,it gives half of a set of DNA in it's pollen/ovum (which is a mixture of the genes it got from it's parents), so every grain of pollen has different traits contained, meaning each seed in the first generation (F1) will be a random mix of the parents. Generally speaking the best/most desirable for you plant from these seeds is chosen and usually backcrossed back to the original mother plant (this gives you F2).

You do this because you are limiting the genes each generation to reduce variety.

Then the best/most desirable plant is again chosen to be backcrossed to the original mother again (giving you your F3) and so forth.

Backcrossing isnt the only way to do it but the most simple to explain.

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Perfect, thanks a lot

In short,F1 seeds are about as stable as bag-seed

Harrekin said:

Generally speaking the best/most desirable for you plant from these seeds is chosen and usually backcrossed back to the original mother plant (this gives you F2).

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You would backcross to the parent plant that had the traits you most wanted to stabilize in your cross, so that could be the male in some cases.

Regardless of it being a male or a female it would not make the results an F2. An F2 is the progeny of self-pollinated F1 generation plants, meaning breeding one F1 with another F1, not back-crossing an F1 with a parent plant. (Technically that would also mean breeding together two F1s from different strains. But herb breeders do not accept that and neither do tokers. They instead consider it to be another F1.)

Oh I was under the impression it was for backcrossed plants too, ahh well, semantics!

OK, so F1 are not the best. But if both parents have traits that you want, then even if you end up with different phenotypes and/or different genotypes, they would still have some of the qualities you were after?.

Example, Lets take a F1 hybrid between an Afghan and NL, despite all the possible genotypes you could end up with, they all will still have traits from either the Afghan or NL, and more likely a mix of the two. Is that correct? Not sure I am asking this the right way. Basically if you like both parents, then you will probably like the offspring, despite the different phenotypes?

So if you only like one of the parents, then it might be more of an issue?

Are there any other drawbacks to F1 strains other than instability and the probability of different phenotypes and/or genotypes?

It seems that a lot of the strains I am interested in are F1 hybrids. I don't want to waste my money or time with something that is going to not be worth the effort.

The more I learn, the more I get confused. Good stuff though guys, thanks for all the info. At least I understand more than I did.

If you plan on growing clones off it then it's fine to use your desirable F1...or if the F1 is from two "true breeding" strains it'll be consistent every time...good luck finding two truely "true breeding" strains tho.

Newbiee1122 thats exactly what i'm hoping for!

So if I understand correctly, I can take cuttings of the desirable plants from F1 and of course the cuttings would have the same traits as the desirable ones?

Also if I took some F1 seeds and created seeds from those plants, then my new seeds would be F2? Then I could take those seeds and seed them out and get a F3? Is that how it works?

All this information helps a great deal. Thanks to everyone.