what is it that convinces you ?

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

Hepheastus420 said:
Hey Luger I'm curious can you explain how the universe is expanding?

they dont really know much about what dark energy is. they just know its there, so far. i havent read much of anything about it, so idk.

Like what is it expanding into?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe
we dont know. the further away we look, the further back in time we see. the universe is so big, that when we look far away, the light that is hitting the telescope was released millions or billions or years ago. so, we see in the past.

Isn't the universe compressed, so what is all around the universe?

we cant see it so idk. i dont see the universe as compressed. its just expanding

Is it dark energy?

idk. dark energy is just the name they give to the force that makes the universe expand. if i knew what it was i would probably get a nobel prize haha

Or is there nothing and the universe is simply just existing alone and expanding alone without anything surrounding it?

we can only see the observable universe. we dont know what is making the universe expand. they just call it dark energy because its dark and myserious.

I'm pretty sure they haven't discovered anything to answer my questions... Right?

i dont think so. i dont really know much about dark energy, so maybe they do know more stuff than i think they do

Looking back at these questions I have to say they don't really make sense but it would be cool if you can understand what I'm asking.

i think i got it

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

blazinkill504 said:
dark energy is what is makin it expand not keepin it held back. and sadly until we find a new way to toy with space travel or more soo deep space telescopes we wont know cause the light from the rest of the universe simply hasnt hit us yet. they kinda have, but it dips into parallel universes and most ppl dont like the sound of that lol

haha some people think that if the expansion continues to increase exponentially, eventually we will get to the point where nothing is visible because the space stretched so much, the light cant catch up to it. so basically space would be pushing the light away. its doing that now i guess, but the light is winning the race

blazinkill504 · Sep 18, 2011

Luger187 said:
haha some people think that if the expansion continues to increase exponentially, eventually we will get to the point where nothing is visible because the space stretched so much, the light cant catch up to it. so basically space would be pushing the light away. its doing that now i guess, but the light is winning the race

is dark energy suppose to have a faster movin rate than light? i cant remember if it was dark energy or somethin else

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

blazinkill504 said:
is dark energy suppose to have a faster movin rate than light? i cant remember if it was dark energy or somethin else

no its not that fast. i think they found that black holes make things move faster than c. not sure about that. but the general rule is nothing can move faster than c because the faster you go, the more time slows.

blazinkill504 · Sep 18, 2011

Luger187 said:
no its not that fast. i think they found that black holes make things move faster than c. not sure about that. but the general rule is nothing can move faster than c because the faster you go, the more time slows.

id love to just be able to chill around a black hole and just look at that crazy shit...make sure i pack some special cookie paste for that one haha come back to earth and its like hundreds of years in the future

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

blazinkill504 said:
id love to just be able to chill around a black hole and just look at that crazy shit...make sure i pack some special cookie paste for that one haha come back to earth and its like hundreds of years in the future

the you could have ape sex!

blazinkill504 · Sep 18, 2011

Luger187 said:
the you could have ape sex!

hahahahaha if that was the case dude im findin me another planet to go hang out on. wait till the sun ballons up so saturns moon can support life. i think we got the shit end of the deal dude we could be livin on a mood orbitin a amazin planet

tyler.durden · Sep 18, 2011

blazinkill504 said:
id love to just be able to chill around a black hole and just look at that crazy shit...make sure i pack some special cookie paste for that one haha come back to earth and its like hundreds of years in the future

You get your wish. Smoke a bowl and trip to this:

[video=youtube;5feVWB1SY-Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5feVWB1SY-Y[/video]

Luger187 · Sep 18, 2011

blazinkill504 said:
hahahahaha if that was the case dude im findin me another planet to go hang out on. wait till the sun ballons up so saturns moon can support life. i think we got the shit end of the deal dude we could be livin on a mood orbitin a amazin planet

yeah that would be crazy if we found life on a moon!

blazinkill504 · Sep 18, 2011

Luger187 said:
yeah that would be crazy if we found life on a moon!

to me thats the best places to look for life and how it becomes life esp in our solar system and we got atleast 3 that scientists said can and eventually support life if they already arent now. sucks we cant drill through the miles and miles of ice on them moons to check an see :/

blazinkill504 · Sep 18, 2011

tyler.durden said:
You get your wish. Smoke a bowl and trip to this:

[video=youtube;5feVWB1SY-Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5feVWB1SY-Y[/video]

nice! i dont wanna fall in that bitch tho haha i perfer not to become a noodle

mindphuk · Sep 18, 2011

Hepheastus420 said:
No I'm just saying I thought it was funny. I mean your saying many christians have no idea how the world is expanding, but we do. I mean it was a Christian who discovered the Doppler effect, so I'm pretty sure many Christians know the universe is expanding.

And you know what I meant when I said world (I think).

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that Christian Doppler was religious?

Hepheastus420 said:
Hey Luger I'm curious can you explain how the universe is expanding? Like what is it expanding into? Isn't the universe compressed, so what is all around the universe? Is it dark energy? Or is there nothing and the universe is simply just existing alone and expanding alone without anything surrounding it? I'm pretty sure they haven't discovered anything to answer my questions... Right?

Looking back at these questions I have to say they don't really make sense but it would be cool if you can understand what I'm asking.

Asking what it is expanding into is a meaningless question. All of space is expanding, there's no space beyond space. That is unless you are talking about higher dimensions, then that is probably what we are expanding into. M-theory posits that a universe is created from the immense energy released when two branes collide. This is what we would call a big bang event.

sen.c · Sep 19, 2011

no. they tell you there is something making the universe expand. they call it dark energy. id like to know your explanation for why it is expanding.
how many christians have absolutely no idea but proclaim god is real?

So it is expanding, let's call it Dark Energy. As I have said before human nature is to assign something a value to feel they understand it. While we are at it let's go ahead and throw in some Dark Matter that they
don't know anything about and maybe there will be a "Dark Planet" full of "Ancient Aliens" that live an abundantly "Dark Life."

so science is only good when it benefits you? but when it goes against your belief in god, its a wasteful thing?

There you go putting words in my mouth and spinning a statement again. If you noticed I said HUMANITY. By the way, yes there are plenty of wasteful things that science does that will never benefit humanity
but it goes back to another statement I said and that is PRIDE.

yes. as i explained, maybe we dont understand some things yet, but that does not mean they are unexplainable.

Sounds like your trying to sell off an empty wagon there buddy. I would love to see a stock broker try and sell based off of that means of thinking. By the way if something is unexplainable then that is exactly what it is, until the issue has been explained and backed up with data and can be reproduced in a controlled enviroment it is unexplainable.

it is not mans nature to survive at all costs. a man will gladly die for something they believe in, if the belief is strong enough. if their beliefs are bigger than themselves and they believe god will reward them for sticking up for him, they have little problem dying. heaven is coming, after all

You are right, perhaps it is my fault by not being more in depth and explaining myself better about this statement. However, I bet the old suicide bomber right as he pushes the button thinks "I hope I'm right but by that point it's too late."

Padawanbater2 · Sep 19, 2011

So you demand absolute undeniable proof of everything in the field of science before you accept it yet have a completely different set of standards for determining the validity of your own faith?

Inconsistent much?

sen.c · Sep 19, 2011

So you demand absolute undeniable proof of everything in the field of science before you accept it yet have a completely different set of standards for determining the validity of your own faith?

Inconsistent much?

Yep, sure do. If Science is going to teach children what they do and put it out there as true I sure do. What makes it different for Science to indoctrinate children and deem them failures if they refuse to believe or question the validity
of scientific claims that are questionable? Oh, I get it because science is not a religion right. My faith has nothing to do with science, and I don't feel the need to have to validate anything rather just have faith after all that is all that I am asked to do is have faith in my religion.

My religion has nothing to do with your science, so the standards don't play into it. That is the problem with you, everything you don't understand you try and make it science and it is not. The mindset like yours is exactly why there is the seperation of church and state. Contrary to popular belief the seperation has nothing to do with the government trying to protect anyone it was put in place to protect us religious folk from the government trying to institute a government ran religion, kinda like science.

Pride, that's all it is.

blazinkill504 · Sep 19, 2011

sen.c said:
Yep, sure do. If Science is going to teach children what they do and put it out there as true I sure do. What makes it different for Science to indoctrinate children and deem them failures if they refuse to believe or question the validity
of scientific claims that are questionable? Oh, I get it because science is not a religion right. My faith has nothing to do with science, and I don't feel the need to have to validate anything rather just have faith after all that is all that I am asked to do is have faith in my religion.

My religion has nothing to do with your science, so the standards don't play into it. That is the problem with you, everything you don't understand you try and make it science and it is not. The mindset like yours is exactly why there is the seperation of church and state. Contrary to popular belief the seperation has nothing to do with the government trying to protect anyone it was put in place to protect us religious folk from the government trying to institute a government ran religion, kinda like science.

Pride, that's all it is.

dude are you fuckin dense? so science just says its science and gives no proof? lmao no that sounds like your religion boss and i dont see how you cant realize that. they tell you all you need is faith for the simple fact that they cant give you any proof. where exactly is science callin kids failures? the difference between questionable science and questionable religion is that we can answer the scientific questions this day, but we cant do that with religion cause god apparently doesnt wanna come down and hang out with us...well he did a long time ago, but he isnt gonna come back till he destorys us. im pretty sure the standard in science of gettin answers is the standard to figurin anything out bro. you go step by step to figure out the answer. if religion says its true and you want facts or evidence...its faith bro you gotta have faith. if you went to buy a used car from a random person and you asked to see how it drove and he was like nah its good dude have faith its good are you?

the fear of death is soo great in ppl that they will clinch onto any kinda god or hope they can for an afterlife that you dont realize the dumb shit thats sittin right in front of your face.

cannabineer · Sep 19, 2011

sen.c said:
Yep, sure do. If Science is going to teach children what they do and put it out there as true I sure do. What makes it different for Science to indoctrinate children and deem them failures if they refuse to believe or question the validity
of scientific claims that are questionable?

Science with a capital S? Like Big Tobacco? You imply a collective where none exists. Science isn't a priesthood governing and guarding select approved truths stamped Disseminate. I get a bit distressed when I see yet another indicator that people suspect a conspiracy.
I will grant that there are scientists, both credentialed and self-styled (and both have a valid claim to pursuing science) who will try to sell "Science" as the new arbiter of all manner of truth. These are the prideful ones, and as a (retired) scientist myself I will have very little to do with them. They overreach.
Proper honest science has very little traction in dealing with matters of spirit. Yes, sparks fly when simple science-reinforced common sense comes up against details of fundamentalist doctrine (favorites: Noah's world flood, Methuselah's age) and, all in all, it's fun to watch. It's also fun to discuss these matters here in RIU's tame version of Thunderdome.
But at post's end we all need to take a deep breath, suitably fortified, and remember that all this falls under both a supercategory and a recommended procedure.
1) Toke.
2) Talk.
cheers 'neer

gfreeman · Sep 19, 2011

Argueing on the internet is very much like participating in the special olympics. Event though you've won, your still considered a fucking retard. .....

In Saying that i hope none of you take this personally, but I know all of you will. Theres the left who say nay to the existance in God, then theres the right, Who say is you sont believe than you aint right..

Than theres the middle, the indifferent, those who know what they know and believe what they believe and simply reply no comment to those who seek to talk about our spirituality. I dont care if your atheist or christian, agnostic or johovahs witness, Either way i beleive the true judge of character is your heart. Your actions, and the way you live your life. You can talk all this shit about whatever ou believe in, but when it comes down to i, if your heart is full of hate and anger than who cares what you believe to be real. The reality is we only live once and if we cant treat each other with the love, respect and dignity we all deserve than perhaps your not understanding the reality of life.

.....tis all.

cannabineer · Sep 19, 2011

So what exactly is the point of your post? In the first half I see a pair of casual insults, one of which contains a pre-dismissal because if someone replies it's because I'm taking it personally. Nice. You've set up a no-winner.

And yet I respond. Retarded, or refusing intimidation? You choose.

I do accept your point about reality however. Yes, there is a certain escape from real life involved in logging onto a drug-growers' website, heading for the Off Topic area, congregating at the Let's Argue about the BIG Things subforum and joining the cluckfest. But in the end, they're OUR Special Olympics.

Welcome to our Thunderdome. You have seconds to get the chainsaw running...
cheers 'neer

gfreeman · Sep 19, 2011

well like i said, no insult intended.
Ive just seen some of the same users, argueing the same thing, for over a couple months now. afterall this is a pot culture forum, but im not mad or upset or anything. I just wonder why people choose to troll eachother online about shit.

Seems more like a powertrip/pride issue than a real, lets discuss this intellectually and perhaps learn from each other. You guys become like politicians and start attacking each other like "just because your views on spirituality are different from mine im going to take this as an excuse to disrespect, discredit and defame you in anyway possible. Your opposition to my beliefs shall be counter with my opposition to your credibility as a knowledgeable person.

I mean because honestly, when all is said and done and youve argued your point and theyve argued theres, all you guys take away from this is anger and hate towards one another. And really if i were to get into my beliefs about there is no god, im sure the god believers would take it personally, seeing as they believe in that god. Honestly Idk why i even bothered to come in here. lol.

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