There are plenty of Seniors who are quite wealthy and would not come close to being on the street. SS is not a retirement plan.
What happened to the Democrats??
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Dan Kone
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We managed to fight off the nazi's just fine with out spending more than the entire world combined on our military. The only reason we would need to spend this much is if we were facing an attack from the rest of the world combined + a few aliens. That seems unlikely.
Now imagine seniors sleeping in cardboard boxes and being denied medical treatment. That's the flip side of what you are suggesting. Ignore it all you want but it was a very real problem. That's why we have social security and medicare.
It was the largest tax cut in history. lol. If that failed to stimulate the economy then you should be against tax cuts as a form of stimulus.
Dan Kone
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Ok, well as long as rich people are ok, who cares about everyone else. Let them eat cake!
Only 38% of seniors list SS as the major contributor to their funds. Pensions and savings make up a large percentage of assets for the aged. So maybe 38% of seniors would have to live in Cardboard boxes, but i bet that Churches and seniors families would step up and give them the quality of life they deserve. But i would wager that the Government would just absolutely LOVE it if 38% of all seniors curled up in a cardboard box and died, imagine how much more money government could spend on its own continued growth?
Dan Kone
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So you want 38% of seniors to live in homeless shelters so you can get a discount on your taxes? How nice of you.
NLXSK1
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When they cant beat you with logic they change it over to compassion...
NLXSK1
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Well, since I am the OP...
The purpose was to determine what the hell the Democrats were thinking by fucking around threatening to raise taxes until less than 2 weeks before Christmas. How could they possibly think this is going to help them somehow?
BTW, it is going through the house of representatives tomorrow.
LOL...What happened to the Dems....LOL...The Dems happened to the Dems....
They would pull the temple down on the head if they could...LOL they did,,,lost what 63 seats in the house biggest loss since the 40's.
doc111
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Logic? What logic? lol!
Maybe Just maybe its the Dems Performance
December 15, 2010
Congress' Job Approval Rating Worst in Gallup History
Thirteen percent approve of the way Congress is handling its job
by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' assessment of Congress has hit a new low, with 13% saying they approve of the way Congress is handling its job. The 83% disapproval rating is also the worst Gallup has measured in more than 30 years of tracking congressional job performance.
December 15, 2010
Congress' Job Approval Rating Worst in Gallup History
Thirteen percent approve of the way Congress is handling its job
by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' assessment of Congress has hit a new low, with 13% saying they approve of the way Congress is handling its job. The 83% disapproval rating is also the worst Gallup has measured in more than 30 years of tracking congressional job performance.
Logical Fallacy, Straw man argument. I NEVER made a claim like that at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Skunk.n'the.Trunk
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Yeah, I have to ignore him at times. I put a reply full of talking points and he goes after a joke i make. Knew I shouldn't have done that.
Anyway, I do give you props Dan. I never thought I'd debate politics on RIU, sure thought I'd run into a lot more liberals
Anyway, I do give you props Dan. I never thought I'd debate politics on RIU, sure thought I'd run into a lot more liberals
londonfog
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What I find funny is how the Republicans are so celebrating how they were able to keep taxes from going back to pre-Bush era for the rich..Cool yes they got what they wanted no tax raise for the rich, but has anyone really took the time to see what all the Republicans gave to Obama to secure this ??? In fact it helps stimulate the economy.
• The Bush tax cuts, originally set to expire Dec. 31, will be preserved for two years for all income levels -- a Republican priority.
• The federal government will continue to offer emergency benefits to people who have been unemployed for up to 99 weeks. The emergency benefits had already started to run out for some, but now will be maintained for 13 months. That was crucial to the White House.
• The Social Security payroll tax will be cut for one year, saving $1,000 for a family earning $50,000 a year.
• Estates up to $5 million in value will be exempted from the estate tax, and those estates that are subject to the tax will pay a maximum rate of 35 percent -- down from 45 percent....Republican thing
• Certain refundable tax credits, including the Earned Income Tax Credit, will be extended.
• For two years, businesses can deduct 100 percent of the cost of new investments, in an effort to spur business spending.
( dude I'm about to open another laundromat on this one )
Hell if anything this thread should be "What happened to the Tea Party". I thought they were against government spending and adding to the deficit.
• The Bush tax cuts, originally set to expire Dec. 31, will be preserved for two years for all income levels -- a Republican priority.
• The federal government will continue to offer emergency benefits to people who have been unemployed for up to 99 weeks. The emergency benefits had already started to run out for some, but now will be maintained for 13 months. That was crucial to the White House.
• The Social Security payroll tax will be cut for one year, saving $1,000 for a family earning $50,000 a year.
• Estates up to $5 million in value will be exempted from the estate tax, and those estates that are subject to the tax will pay a maximum rate of 35 percent -- down from 45 percent....Republican thing
• Certain refundable tax credits, including the Earned Income Tax Credit, will be extended.
• For two years, businesses can deduct 100 percent of the cost of new investments, in an effort to spur business spending.
( dude I'm about to open another laundromat on this one )
Hell if anything this thread should be "What happened to the Tea Party". I thought they were against government spending and adding to the deficit.
NLXSK1
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Remember, this is the lame duck congress and the new members wont come in until January.
Although I am not happy about some of the spending I am hoping things change once that happens.
And the old congress will really piss me off if they pass that 8billion dollar pork laden 1.1 trillion dollar budget the Dem's are trying to get passed.
It might just end up being business as usual. And if that is the case then we are much closer to financial collapse.
londonfog
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Wow They sure seem to be getting a lot in for it to be such a "lame duck congress"...lol.. but really where is the tea party during all of this???? Here I am thinking that they cared about our budget deficit..I just knew they would be out making signs and protesting..lol...I guess they have not read the find print in this. I for one read before I speak, so while a lot of people are complaining that Obama should have never done this, they need to realize that he kinda made out pretty good..Would have hated to see the bill that the new House of Rep. would have tried to put together whilst the American suffer..So all in all the Republicans got what they wanted..No tax increase for the rich and the Dems came away getting some of what they wanted...now my questions once again is " What Happened To The Tea Party".???
NLXSK1
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We are in the lame duck congress. The people that were voted in have not taken office yet. So, you are already trying to blame the new congress before it is even in session.
I am a libertarian, I dont like any of them.
I am hoping that the Republicans keep to their word and cut the deficit but am just slightly more hopeful than with the Democrats.
If we dont find some people that are willing to make the hard choices we are headed for economic collapse.