What does the 9th amen mean to you?

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BACKGROUND
This action is proceeding on the complaint filed November 4, 2003. Plaintiff alleges that federal government officials have thwarted his attempts to possess, plant, cultivate and use hemp for various reasons, including food, cloth, paper, building materials, and above all for use in his pain management. Although plaintiff filed an application with the Drug Enforcement Agency ("DEA") to grow and use hemp, he claims his application was returned without being processed as incomplete and lacking the filing fee. Plaintiff is currently in possession of cannabis seeds and medical cannabis. After dismissal of his claims under the Fifth, Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth amendments to the Constitution, as well as the Commerce Clause and an Executive Order, the only claim remaining is under the First Amendment and/or RFRA (Religious Freedom and Restoration Act). Plaintiff seeks injunctive relief.


Above is an excerpt from a federal ruling in a case that was claiming that humans have the natural right to possess, plant and cultivate seeds of any kind and that government has no constitutional authority to restrict such activity generally. The case was foremost reaching for the 9th amendment in claim to said natural rights but was also accompanied with other constitutional claims meant as back up arguments in case whatever other claims were dismissed.
The reason for posting this is to examine the 9th amendment to the US constitution which states:



“The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”


I'm wondering what those words mean to you?



The federal judge in the case above ruled that any claim based on a right held within the 9th amen was frivolous and without merit on its face because the 9th amen only exists for judges to use when interpreting the rest of the constitution in adjudicating any particular case.
In other words he said there can be no claim based on the 9th amen of the constitution...and the 9th amen exists only for judges to be used as an interpretive tool...not unlike the SHDT....
 
Aren't you the guy who posted about "dangerous viruses infecting your brain", or was that some other loon?

Whoever it was, he never followed up with an explanation.
 
OK, there is a legal term, expressio unius est exclusio alterius. That means, the expressed mention of one thing excludes all others. Or another way to say it, all that is not expressly allowed is strictly forbidden.

So, the 9th is there to express and actualize the opposite. In a govt, of, for and by, ALL freedoms are allowed. The ones expressed in the Bill of Rights and those that are not.

So, unless the laws forbid it based on the "good of the many" you are allowed. It doesn't matter what that is. You don't have to ask permission. You don't have to consult the Daily Rules to see what is inside and what is outside the Law, today.

Ignorance of the Law and lack of criminal intention is a Lawful excuse. And the 9th is that Freedom of freedom.
 
I won't delete this shouted post, but I won't read it either. You'll reach more people if you don't step onto a virtual soapbox. Jmo.

And for what does SHDT stand? cn
 
Some fictional club from Welcome back Cotter on TV. Of all the oblique references, I would choose this last. :)
 
Aren't you the guy who posted about "dangerous viruses infecting your brain", or was that some other loon?

Whoever it was, he never followed up with an explanation.
dd you have outwitted me apparently because whatever your talking about is beyond me, though I would agree that such a condition may be rampant in your nest.
 
I won't delete this shouted post, but I won't read it either. You'll reach more people if you don't step onto a virtual soapbox. Jmo.

And for what does SHDT stand? cn
Not sure of your point here cn, if speaking of the font size then I have adjusted such, its how it went up when I transferred it from my word doc, but was not intended as you seem to think.
This post seems as valid a question to be considering right now as any.
Why so opposed?
 
Not sure of your point here cn, if speaking of the font size then I have adjusted such, its how it went up when I transferred it from my word doc, but was not intended as you seem to think.
This post seems as valid a question to be considering right now as any.
Why so opposed?

I have a format thing.

Now that I could read it without wincing, do you know that they're trying to do the same to other amendments in the Bill of Rights? Consider Justice Breyer's opinion in McDonald v. Chicago. cn
 
I have a format thing.

Now that I could read it without wincing, do you know that they're trying to do the same to other amendments in the Bill of Rights? Consider Justice Breyer's opinion in McDonald v. Chicago. cn

They're ALL under assault, except for the one about quartering soldiers in private homes... so far.
 
When the bill of rights was written there was considerable debate about whether there was any point to writing the first ten amendments, and there was an argument made that it was a bad idea to specifically enshrine certain rights for the people. The reasoning behind these objections was that the constitution itself was a simple document that listed a very small and specific set of functions, important functions, which were assigned to the federal government. Anything not specifically assigned to the federal government was forbidden to it. The thinking was that to list ten individual freedoms implied that these were the ONLY freedoms guaranteed to "the people", hence it was a terrible idea to write the amendments at all because it would embolden nannies to grab more and more power illegally; that is exactly what has happened.

Now to the ninth: It is a simple statement that "though some specific individual freedoms are listed here (in the form of absolute prohibitions against federal interference) this does not mean, or even imply, that the federal government has any authority whatever to meddle with any other freedom. EVERYTHING else is reserved to the people." What this means is that the feds can do only what the constitution specifically allows them to do, and nothing else.
 
When the bill of rights was written there was considerable debate about whether there was any point to writing the first ten amendments, and there was an argument made that it was a bad idea to specifically enshrine certain rights for the people. The reasoning behind these objections was that the constitution itself was a simple document that listed a very small and specific set of functions, important functions, which were assigned to the federal government. Anything not specifically assigned to the federal government was forbidden to it. The thinking was that to list ten individual freedoms implied that these were the ONLY freedoms guaranteed to "the people", hence it was a terrible idea to write the amendments at all because it would embolden nannies to grab more and more power illegally; that is exactly what has happened.

Now to the ninth: It is a simple statement that "though some specific individual freedoms are listed here (in the form of absolute prohibitions against federal interference) this does not mean, or even imply, that the federal government has any authority whatever to meddle with any other freedom. EVERYTHING else is reserved to the people." What this means is that the feds can do only what the constitution specifically allows them to do, and nothing else.

Yes and I think that it's sad that this has to be said. I, for one, take it for granted that every American knows this.
I feel a new poll coming on.
 
Can't af'Ford that. Cheaper one-man solution ... cn

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Doer & Desert Dude have stated it about as good as it can get. This government has been defunct and unlawful for so many generations now, there will be no stopping it. we are on a crash course. we are fucked.
 
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