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hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/01/michael-flynns-ridiculous-defense-his-coup-comments-context/
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Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: Michael T. Flynn does something highly objectionable that undermines the U.S. government, in which he served. And then when pressed on it, he claims it’s just a big misunderstanding, despite all evidence to the contrary.

It happened again this weekend, when Flynn momentarily promoted the idea of a Myanmar-style military coup in the United States.
But it follows plenty of other remarkably similar episodes in which he did essentially the same thing.
The most recent example involves the former Trump White House national security adviser’s comments to a QAnon-themed conference in Texas this weekend.
A questioner asked him why “what happened in [Myanmar] can’t happen here.” The question refers to the military of Myanmar, also known as Burma, launching a coup against the country’s pro-democracy civilian leaders.

After the audience cheered the idea of bringing that approach to the United States, Flynn responded that there was “no reason” such a thing couldn’t happen here.
“I mean, it should happen here,” he said, before repeating: “No reason.”

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The comment led to all kinds of recriminations. Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), who has denounced her party’s efforts to question the legitimacy of the 2020 election, linked to a story about Flynn’s comments and said, “No American should advocate or support the violent overthrow of the United States.” Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.), vice chairman of the Armed Services Committee and a retired Navy commander, said Flynn’s comments “border on sedition” and suggested that he be tried under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Alas, Flynn is claiming that this is somehow a big misunderstanding.

“For all the fake news ‘journalists’: Let me be VERY CLEAR — There is NO reason whatsoever for any coup in America, and I do not and have not at any time called for any action of that sort,” Flynn claimed on social media. He added: “I am no stranger to media manipulating my words and therefore let me repeat my response to a question asked at the conference: There is no reason it (a coup) should happen here (in America).”

The first problem with this is Flynn’s cadence. He’s essentially arguing that the quote, “No reason. I mean, it should happen here,” is actually “No reason … it should happen here.” That’s at least plausible if you’re just reading the text. As you’ll see from the video, though, he emphasized the “should” in a way that makes his intent rather clear.

The second reason is that Flynn has been down a very similar road before. In December, when President Donald Trump was contesting the results of the election, multiple reports indicated that Flynn had visited the Oval Office to discuss deploying the military to intervene. Trump responded by saying in a tweet, “Martial law = Fake News. Just more knowingly bad reporting!”

Except Flynn had pushed just such an idea even shortly before the Oval Office meeting. Flynn appeared on Newsmax and suggested deploying “military capabilities” to swing states to “rerun an election in each of those states.”

“People out there talk about martial law like it’s something that we’ve never done,” he said. “Martial law has been instituted 64 times.”

Is the guy who suggested imposing martial law to rerun an election really the guy who is aghast at the idea that he would support a coup to overturn the same election?

The episode also bears plenty of similarities to past Flynn controversies.

Chief among them were his actions shortly before he joined the White House — the thing for which he would later face a federal investigation and
plead guilty to a crime. (He was eventually pardoned by Trump.) Flynn initially denied both federal investigators, The Washington Post and (apparently) the Trump White House that he discussed the Obama administration’s sanctions on Russia for its 2016 election interference with then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak in the month before Trump took office — something that raised questions about whether he was undermining the Obama administration, potentially illegally.

Except those federal investigators had him on tape. Flynn’s team soon backed off its denial and said merely that he hadn’t recalled doing so. Trump said he fired Flynn for lying, although Flynn rather quickly found himself again in Trump’s good graces.

Perhaps the most illustrative example of where we find ourselves today with Flynn is with his more than dabbling in QAnon, an extremist ideology based on false claims.

In 2019, it was revealed that Flynn had signed a copy of his book with a QAnon slogan, “WWG1WGA” — shorthand for “Where we go one, we go all.” His son insisted that it had “ZERO to do with ‘Q.’”

“He was asked to write that,” Michael Flynn Jr. tweeted. “Enough of the conspiracy theories.”

But then Flynn last summer posted a video in which he took an oath featuring the same slogan. Again, this was somehow a big misunderstanding, apparently, and had nothing to do with QAnon.

“The slogan comes from an engraved bell on JFK’s sailboat — acknowledging the unity of mankind,” said Sidney Powell, Flynn’s attorney. “The oath is obvious — the federal oath in support of our Constitution. He wanted to encourage people to think about being a citizen. Don’t read anything else into it.”

But by December, Flynn’s online store was selling QAnon-themed T-shirts and hats. It was certainly the latest odd move by someone who supposedly had no intention of being associated with such things.

The through-line in all of this is Flynn doing things that undermine the U.S. government or seek to quite literally unseat those in power. At some point, you would think a man and a general who has gone through all of this would be more careful about the audience he courts, the things he says to it and the merchandise he sells.

Unless maybe it’s not the largest coincidence in modern American politics.
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/january-6-senate-investigation/2021/06/08/a8cc5b1e-c7d4-11eb-81b1-34796c7393af_story.html
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The U.S. Capitol Police had specific intelligence that supporters of President Donald Trump planned to mount an armed invasion of the Capitol at least two weeks before the Jan. 6 riot, according to new findings in a bipartisan Senate investigation, but a series of omissions and miscommunications kept that information from reaching front-line officers targeted by the violence.

A joint report, from the Senate Rules and Administration and the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committees, outlines the most detailed public timeline to date of the communications and intelligence failures that led the Capitol Police and partner agencies to prepare for the “Stop the Steal” protest as though it were a routine Trump rally, instead of the organized assault that was planned in the open online.

Released Tuesday, the report shows how an intelligence arm of the Capitol Police disseminated security assessments labeling the threat of violence “remote” to “improbable,” even as authorities collected evidence showing that pro-Trump activists intended to bring weapons to the demonstration and “storm the Capitol.”

“There were significant, widespread and unacceptable breakdowns in the intelligence gathering. . . . The failure to adequately assess the threat of violence on that day contributed significantly to the breach of the Capitol,” Sen. Gary Peters (D-Mich.), chairman of the homeland security panel, told reporters. “The attack was, quite frankly, planned in plain sight.”


Democratic defections foretell pitfalls for Capitol security bill

The bipartisan report is the latest to examine the security failures that contributed to the mayhem as Congress tallied electoral college results certifying Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election. Its release comes just days after the Senate rejected legislation to create an independent investigative commission that passed the House with strong bipartisan support, and as lawmakers continue to wrestle with how to pay for security improvements to the Capitol campus.

The report’s recommendations, which call for better planning, training and intelligence gathering, largely mirror those of other investigators who have examined the topic, and its contents steer clear of offering any assessment or conclusion about Trump’s responsibility for the riot.

Still, the report provides a vivid picture of how poor communication and unheeded warnings left officers underequipped to face violent threats about which they had not been made aware, leaving the Capitol vulnerable to an attack that otherwise might have been preventable.

According to the report, Capitol Police intelligence officers knew as early as Dec. 21 that protesters planned to “bring guns” and other weapons to the Jan. 6 demonstration and turn them on any law enforcement officers who blocked their entry into the Capitol. They knew that would-be rioters were sharing maps of the Capitol campus online and discussing the building’s best entry points — and how to seal them off to trap lawmakers inside. But that information was shared only with command officers.

A separate security assessment dated Dec. 23 made no mention of those findings. Neither did a follow-up Dec. 30.

The only hints about what the Capitol Police’s Intelligence and Interagency Coordination Division knew appeared at the end of a 15-page report released on Jan. 3, which stated that “there is the possibility that the protesters may be inclined to become violent,” and that their desperation “may lead to a significantly dangerous situation for law enforcement and the general public alike.” But even that warning was fleeting: In the days that followed, in the Capitol Police’s daily intelligence assessments, such notes about violence were nowhere to be found.

In a statement Tuesday responding to the committees’ findings, the Capitol Police acknowledged an imperative to improve how it collects and shares intelligence internally and with its partners, saying “significant changes” have been implemented since the riot. But the agency insisted that, “At no point prior to the 6th did it receive actionable intelligence about a large-scale attack.”

“Before January 6, the Capitol Police leadership knew Congress and the Capitol grounds were to be the focus of a large demonstration attracting various groups, including some encouraging violence,” the statement says. “Based on this information, the Department enhanced its security posture and tried to get support from the National Guard. What the intelligence didn’t reveal, as Acting Chief [Yogananda] Pittman has noted, was the large-scale demonstration would become a large-scale attack on the Capitol Building as there was no specific, credible intelligence about such an attack.
The USCP consumes intelligence from every federal agency. At no point prior to the 6th did it receive actionable intelligence about a large-scale attack.

“ … The known intelligence simply didn’t support that conclusion.”

Capitol Police intelligence report warned three days before attack that ‘Congress itself’ could be targeted

The Senate committees’ report found fault with the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI for failing to provide specific warnings about the threats posed to the Capitol. According to the report’s findings, the FBI alerted the Capitol Police of potential “war” only the night before Trump’s rally, attaching the warning to a casually worded email that was shared with other law enforcement agencies — and the warning was picked up by a Capitol Police intelligence unit separate from the one that had been preparing the threat assessments.

The joint Senate investigation recommended improving the Capitol Police’s intelligence-gathering capabilities by, among other steps, housing all such specialists in one centralized unit.

But the report suggests that even with better intelligence, other governance and organizational deficiencies within the Capitol Police may have doomed its ability to respond to the riot. According to the findings, “fewer than ten” uniformed officers had actually been trained in how to use the “full suite of less-than-lethal munitions” that Capitol Police rely on for mob control, and much of the equipment in the force’s possession was either defective or inaccessible during the attack.

Inspector general says police order to hold back riot-control weapons compromised Capitol on Jan. 6

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The most tangible impact of the report, which was based on public testimony, closed-door interviews from senior military personnel and additional communication with other federal officials, may come in the next several weeks, as lawmakers tackle what changes they can effect on campus.

Last month, the House narrowly passed a $1.9 billion supplemental appropriations package to pay for security improvements to the Capitol and settle accounts with the various agencies that responded to the riot. The intensely partisan reception for the measure all but guarantees that it will be narrowed as it moves through the Senate, where such legislation must procure 60 votes to avoid a procedural filibuster.

The senators who co-authored the report told reporters that they hope it provides a guide for what must be done — and that it can get the necessary bipartisan support to pass.

“It should be informing the supplemental appropriation,” said Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), the top Republican on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.
 

mooray

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Executive summary of the failed insurrection on Jan 6th 2021. In the full report they have a full transcript of Trump's speech leading up to the riot on the capital. It looks like there is a lot that wasn't looked into as far as politicians involvement it looks like.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC&RulesFullReport_ExaminingU.S.CapitolAttack.pdf
Law enforcement definitely lean to the redneck side and I think when it comes down to it with lives on the line, authority will crumble.
 

schuylaar

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Executive summary of the failed insurrection on Jan 6th 2021. In the full report they have a full transcript of Trump's speech leading up to the riot on the capital. It looks like there is a lot that wasn't looked into as far as politicians involvement it looks like.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC&RulesFullReport_ExaminingU.S.CapitolAttack.pdf
you mean leading up to the time when he exited and instead of walking with his people he went into a tent with his family watching it unfold; laughing?

i think Don Jr. said he was 'loving' it.
 

hanimmal

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you mean leading up to the time when he exited and instead of walking with his people he went into a tent with his family watching it unfold; laughing?

i think Don Jr. said he was 'loving' it.
I still think the most damning this about this is what the lady said about how her and about 12 other organizers/speakers that were supposed to go on after Trump.


If they were scheduled to be an event at that park for a couple more hours, and Trump basically strong armed that horde away from the rest of the presentation, in order to take that march while he sat back and watched his little proud boys/3percenters/(insert propaganda brandname) insurrectionists attempt their act of treason.
 

schuylaar

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we're coming for more Insurrection participants..


magnifying glass..loop and pics of neighbors..there's reward money to be had men..there's also image search feature :mrgreen: there's a guy in there that made it inside who looks like my ex-husband..he's not a cop anymore.

>>>>>know how the FBI got that $4M for back for Colonial Pipeline? vendors keys- it wasn't magic they need to keep secret 'to use again another time'.
 
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hanimmal

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we're coming for more Insurrection participants..


magnifying glass..loop and pics of neighbors..there's reward money to be had men.
I think that if the feds offered some kind of immunity for people who did no crime other than what is plausible they got conned into (and no evidence of them doing anything violent) in return for all of their online/print/etc data and the ability to interview them. It would likely show the patterns of how all these people got there.

A giant data driven map of how all these people were brainwashed would be very useful in making sure it doesn't happen again. Assuming the feds don't already have it all, and just are not allowed to just download it.


People need to have insight into all their data btw, sorry for the rant, we need to know what people can use to harm us.
 

hanimmal

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Law enforcement definitely lean to the redneck side and I think when it comes down to it with lives on the line, authority will crumble.
I guess it depends if it is a good thing or not based on the authority.

Which side bent this time? I think it bent towards the United States of America and away from Trump and the Republicans' insurrection.
 

schuylaar

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I think that if the feds offered some kind of immunity for people who did no crime other than what is plausible they got conned into (and no evidence of them doing anything violent) in return for all of their online/print/etc data and the ability to interview them. It would likely show the patterns of how all these people got there.

A giant data driven map of how all these people were brainwashed would be very useful in making sure it doesn't happen again. Assuming the feds don't already have it all, and just are not allowed to just download it.


People need to have insight into all their data btw, sorry for the rant, we need to know what people can use to harm us.
a basic working knowledge of IT can destroy anyone, anywhere..when the Russians put ads in Craigs for you to take packages and 'you'll be rewarded handsomely' when the Feds are on your doorstep?

Moral Compass says a lot about a person..don't get involved in the first place and you won't have to worry about immunity.
 

schuylaar

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I guess it depends if it is a good thing or not based on the authority.

Which side bent this time? I think it bent towards the United States of America and away from Trump and the Republicans' insurrection.
wait if we don't have a shooting or two this week to distract us.

i have to run in and out of Safeway for shot #2 because you never know now. I have my groceries delivered + Amazon is my BFF.
 

hanimmal

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Executive summary of the failed insurrection on Jan 6th 2021. In the full report they have a full transcript of Trump's speech leading up to the riot on the capital. It looks like there is a lot that wasn't looked into as far as politicians involvement it looks like.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC&RulesFullReport_ExaminingU.S.CapitolAttack.pdf
The last handful of pages are very strong too.

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hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-nation-cannot-forget-donald-trumps-betrayal-of-his-oath/2021/06/15/c4a7790e-ce0a-11eb-8014-2f3926ca24d9_story.html
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MANY REPUBLICANS want the nation to ignore and forget President Donald Trump’s poisonous final months in office — the most dangerous moment in modern presidential history, orchestrated by the man to whom the GOP still swears allegiance. Yet the country must not forget how close it came to a full-blown constitutional crisis, or worse. Tuesday brought another reminder that, but for the principled resistance of some key officials, the consequences could have been disastrous.

The House Committee on Oversight and Reform on Tuesday released emails showing that the White House waged a behind-the-scenes effort to enlist the Justice Department in its crusade to advance Mr. Trump’s baseless allegations of fraud in the 2020 election. On Dec. 14, 10 days before Jeffrey Rosen took over as acting attorney general, Mr. Trump’s assistant emailed Mr. Rosen, asserting that Dominion Voting Systems machines in Michigan were intentionally fixed and pointing to a debunked analysis showing what “the machines can and did do to move votes.” The email declared, “We believe it has happened everywhere.”

Later that month, Mr. Trump’s assistant sent Mr. Rosen a brief that the president apparently wanted the Justice Department to submit to the Supreme Court. The draft mirrored the empty arguments that the state of Texas made to the court before the justices dismissed the state’s lawsuit. Piling on the pressure, then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows also dispatched an email asking Mr. Rosen to examine allegations of voter fraud in Georgia. A day later, Mr. Meadows apparently forwarded Mr. Rosen a video alleging that Italians used satellites to manipulate voting equipment. These were just some of the preposterous White House emails claiming fraud in arguably the most secure presidential election ever.

To his credit, Mr. Rosen rebuffed the White House’s entreaties to deploy the Justice Department’s vast powers on behalf of Mr. Trump’s lie, adding his name to the roster of honorable state and federal officials who showed fidelity to truth and duty at that crucial moment. Some have paid with their jobs. Republicans committed to the “big lie” are gunning to replace others, including those with vote-counting responsibilities. If Mr. Trump or another candidate again presses false fraud claims, many Republican officials may find it more difficult to resist the pressure to back the lie — or, indeed, may eagerly participate in advancing it.

Given Mr. Trump’s reckless actions after losing the 2020 vote, and the violence they spurred, the newly released emails are unsurprising. But consider that fact for a moment: It is unsurprising that the president of the United States leaned on the Justice Department to help him try to steal an election. The country cannot forget that Mr. Trump betrayed his oath, that most Republican officeholders remain loyal to him nonetheless — and that it could be worse next time.
 
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