What does it take to start a seed company?

daybreaker

daybreaker

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You see thousands of pot clubs everywhere. Farmers by the oodlekazillions.And still only a few hundred seed companies with their own set of genetics claiming to have the best yield and authentic lines. What I wanna know is what does it take to start your own respected seed co.? Good genetics/check......Separated breeding rooms/check.....company name /check.........LOGO/work in progress.......seed stock/work in progress


Is it illegal to sell seeds in the us or do you need a company from outside the country to sell them?
 
It's probably legal to sell seeds within states where it's legal to grow.

It is illegal to ship seeds through the US Mail because cannabis is illegal on a federal level.

Contrary to public opinion, it is also illegal to possess seeds in many places.

Be prepared to give away a lot of seeds for free while you build your reputation and enter your strains in Cups when possible. Winning one of those would certainly help. And, if there are any problems along the way, be prepared to defend yourself & do damage control on public forums like this.

Make sure you do very thorough testing to eliminate any hermaphrodite tendencies, stabilize phenotypes so that people get the results they expect & lab test several batches of finished product to make sure you have reliable statistics.

If you're going to sell them yourself, you'll need a good website. Selling seeds is against the TOS for Paypal, Mastercard & Visa even if you're in a place where it's legal to sell seeds - expect problems if you get caught.

And, if you don't have a partner or staff to handle the business end of things, you'll find that you spend all your time on that end of things.

Many American breeders end up opening some type of branch in the Netherlands or Spain to handle the sales end of things. Other's don't. I can only speculate at the pros & cons of doing so. There are, of course, major issues with importing & exporting seeds if you're in the US, but I think there's more to it than that.

Good luck.
 
Funny thing is..even these well respected companies are spitting out bunk and hermie seeds.Im going to be a gentleman and NOT name any of them right this second.Right now im waiting on germination from a VERY respected company whilst my DNA seeds popped in under 24 hours these OTHER seeds have yet to still pop AND I just finished a plant and when I went to cut her down she was spittn nanners and partially formed seedlings.SO im almost thinking if a seed co is truly to do well they need to stay small and in control of their breeding environment.The line of hobbiest seed breeder weed cup winner to seed seller aren't much different except for the DRAMA and the sale logistics.
 
fwiw ive been reading a bunch about breeding (ILB, cubing, squaring, selfing, Pp,F1,F2, etc.) and from what ive seen it takes hundreds of plants to stabilize a pheno so when we diss a company for hermies we should maybe take that into consideration? and really i dont think i could tell the diff between a seeds potential to hermie from an auto fem.but then again ive not encountered an excessive amount of seeds. but from a business owners point of view i can say with some certainty that after you hit the 14,000 seed mark you too would say "fuk it just ship em"

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mudballs said:
fwiw ive been reading a bunch about breeding (ILB, cubing, squaring, selfing, Pp,F1,F2, etc.) and from what ive seen it takes hundreds of plants to stabilize a pheno so when we diss a company for hermies we should maybe take that into consideration? and really i dont think i could tell the diff between a seeds potential to hermie from an auto fem.but then again ive not encountered an excessive amount of seeds. but from a business owners point of view i can say with some certainty that after you hit the 14,000 seed mark you too would say "fuk it just ship em"

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Yup and that's exactly what they do.ship 'm!!!!You don't need hundrerds of plants you just need to back cross alot but some of these companies aren't they are literally selling seeds that haven't been de hermied and /or stabilized just because the demand is there.All I can is that the companies that are doing their homework will prevail because once you get screwed over you tell people and If you tell one person and they all tell one person these seed for prophet co. lose money.this isn't supposed to be about money...but then to most of these big companies(we know who you are)that's all it is anymore and they need to be shutdown.New companies in the game now with genetics that are just ridiculous in quality and vigour.Hermies will happen but if every seed you get from a company is a herm.....then they aren't doing their job and they need to be cutoff!!!!
 
daybreaker said:
Yup and that's exactly what they do.ship 'm!!!!You don't need hundrerds of plants you just need to back cross alot but some of these companies aren't they are literally selling seeds that haven't been de hermied and /or stabilized just because the demand is there.All I can is that the companies that are doing their homework will prevail because once you get screwed over you tell people and If you tell one person and they all tell one person these seed for prophet co. lose money.this isn't supposed to be about money...but then to most of these big companies(we know who you are)that's all it is anymore and they need to be shutdown.New companies in the game now with genetics that are just ridiculous in quality and vigour.Hermies will happen but if every seed you get from a company is a herm.....then they aren't doing their job and
they need to be cutoff!!!!
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I agree with almost everything you say, but it has to be a little bit about the money.

It's incredibly expensive to run any type of company that sells something - Everyone has their hand out, mostly the government.

And, both big & small, you're going to have good breeders who care about their customer & their reputation in the community, and not-so-good ones who want to line their pockets while playing rock-star breeder.
 
Cash a lot of cash ...good lawyers and guys with sound horty degrees
and with a minimum 5 years horticultural experience

hire from Holland those boys are going CHEAP! ..lol​
 
vostok said:
Cash a lot of cash ...good lawyers and guys with sound horty degrees
and with a minimum 5 years horticultural experience

hire from Holland those boys are going CHEAP! ..lol​
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Always baffled by your crazy russian nonsense replies ^^
 
i like daybreakers line of thought and man i hope you get what you want but here's why i mention it. there are vast banks yeah we know. but then theres a select few...like a chemdawg clone or something along those lines that we'd pay mad bank for but they won't sell or it's non-commercial invite only. man i hope to even just briefly in my short remaining life enjoy that rarified lifestyle and culture. and to you daybreaker i hope you become that rarified breeder who does love and share and avoid the downward spiral that is trying to break even every fiscal year.
 
daybreaker said:
Yup and that's exactly what they do.ship 'm!!!!You don't need hundrerds of plants you just need to back cross alot but some of these companies aren't they are literally selling seeds that haven't been de hermied and /or stabilized just because the demand is there.All I can is that the companies that are doing their homework will prevail because once you get screwed over you tell people and If you tell one person and they all tell one person these seed for prophet co. lose money.this isn't supposed to be about money...but then to most of these big companies(we know who you are)that's all it is anymore and they need to be shutdown.New companies in the game now with genetics that are just ridiculous in quality and vigour.Hermies will happen but if every seed you get from a company is a herm.....then they aren't doing their job and they need to be cutoff!!!!
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Breeding is a dream of mine.

To be a true breeder yes, you do need hundreds of plants if you want to do anything in a reasonable amount of time. You can't buy a 1 or 2 packs of beans and just pick a random mother. It doesn't work like that. You need to hunt through hundreds if not thousands of specimens. Even the creator of Bruce Banner said it took him 70 beans of some strain to find a mother which was a true representation of the breeders mother.

Look at NExt Gen. Doing a 250 seed run of Romulan to find Romulan Max, and who knows how much time and what breeding practices it took to stabilize that in seed.

It also a time thing. It takes TONS of time to grow out the progeny of your suspected studs and have your patients/collective compare the results to eachother. Months and months can be wasted sorting through males and which are better for breeding.

Not trying to be a dick but sounds like you just want to chuck some pollen and call yourself a breeder. Keep doing research. It's not a quick process and it would likely take any home grower a couple years to simply find a legit dad.
 
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A couple clone onlys with PM you got from craigslist, a few stories about the mafia, Finshaggy beard/baseballcap and an instagram account.

Right Swerve?
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oh that's the truth right there.My question is why cant you just pick a kickass male outta ten seeds and cross it with a badass female and call it a "NEW STRAIN" that's what some of these "Breders" are doing ,don't fool yourself.yeah maybe some of these crazy scientific types putn in years of seek and yee shall find techniques but a seed is a seed and ya just never know.

Feel lucky punk?well do ya?
 
mr mustache said:
A couple clone onlys with PM you got from craigslist, a few stories about the mafia, Finshaggy beard/baseballcap and an instagram account.

Right Swerve?
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Bhahahaha that gave me a good laugh man. Thanks. :D


daybreaker said:
oh that's the truth right there.My question is why cant you just pick a kickass male outta ten seeds and cross it with a badass female and call it a "NEW STRAIN" that's what some of these "Breders" are doing ,don't fool yourself.yeah maybe some of these crazy scientific types putn in years of seek and yee shall find techniques but a seed is a seed and ya just never know.

Feel lucky punk?well do ya?
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You can but that is exactly what pollen chucking is. Simply playing the genetic lottery. Chuck some pollen, cross your fingers and hope for the best. Like I said. That's not how it works. Wouldn't you rather pick 10 kickass males out of 250 seeds? Hit a proven mother (10 different clones obviously) with each different pollen, grow out the progeny and then decide who is best? Then do that a few more times.........

Compare Canada to USA and athletes. USA puts out way more athletes and better athletes than Canada in general(I'm Canadian so stop your thoughts right there). Why? Look at the selection in USA. TEN TIMES as many athletes to chose from. Obviously in the larger pool there is a higher chance to find elite specimens. Now that's not saying elite athletes can't be found in Canada (or your 10 pack) but you simply don't have the choices and comparison provided from the larger gene pool. How do you know your "kickass male" is really a badass dude when you only got 3 little punk ass dudes to compare him to? ..... and even so there is no telling how truly badass a male is until his offspring are grown out and consumed.

Take the most badass motherfucker in some jail in a small as town or county. Now send him off to the worst max in all of USA with the worst of the worst. He's now considered a punk. Catch my drift?


And then taking the time to find the finest bitch ever beforehand, that's a whole other story. The bioassay itself takes much time.
 
D_Urbmon said:
Bhahahaha that gave me a good laugh man. Thanks. :D




You can but that is exactly what pollen chucking is. Simply playing the genetic lottery. Chuck some pollen, cross your fingers and hope for the best. Like I said. That's not how it works. Wouldn't you rather pick 10 kickass males out of 250 seeds? Hit a proven mother (10 different clones obviously) with each different pollen, grow out the progeny and then decide who is best? Then do that a few more times.........

Compare Canada to USA and athletes. USA puts out way more athletes and better athletes than Canada in general(I'm Canadian so stop your thoughts right there). Why? Look at the selection in USA. TEN TIMES as many athletes to chose from. Obviously in the larger pool there is a higher chance to find elite specimens. Now that's not saying elite athletes can't be found in Canada (or your 10 pack) but you simply don't have the choices and comparison provided from the larger gene pool. How do you know your "kickass male" is really a badass dude when you only got 3 little punk ass dudes to compare him to? ..... and even so there is no telling how truly badass a male is until his offspring are grown out and consumed.

Take the most badass motherfucker in some jail in a small as town or county. Now send him off to the worst max in all of USA with the worst of the worst. He's now considered a punk. Catch my drift?


And then taking the time to find the finest bitch ever beforehand, that's a whole other story. The bioassay itself takes much time.
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Well yeah of course but you have to start somewhere and I guess once you feel like you have the pollination thing down which any Canadian could do...LOLcant but think of Terrence and phillip when I hear Canadian...but we're talking alot of space to really pull this breeder thing off and that's such an overlooked issue.These guys gotta have either one giant warehouse or a few and im betn when they first started out...it was a couple 4x4 tents.:)
 
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