What Do Ya Think About My Soil Recipe?!?!

lxrsd

lxrsd

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Greetings Ladies & Gentlemen

I'm writing this post to request some input on how to make my Organic Medium better by adding or subtracting susbtances. Currently, This is about to be my third grow. My first grow was successful but my second was even better. Putting out 5-7 Oz's Per Plant on average in a 5 Gallon Air Pot, 600w. Plants getting transplanted after 2 weeks of seedling to their final pot, 5 Gallon Pot. Posted below, will be a list of my medium, which im trying to improve for maximum yield optimization. As a rockie, I'm asking:

***KEEP IN MIND I'M TRYING TO USE "ONLY" WATER THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE GROW***

1) How does this Recipe Looks?
2) Would you add/Subtrack anything?
3) Would the Nutrients have a conflict with each other?

PER 5 GALLON POT

Fox Farm Ocean Forest Potting Soil: 75%
Black Earthworm Casting: 25%
Dolomite Lime: 2 Table Spoon
Blood Meal: 2 Table Spoon
Bone Meal: 2 Table Spoon
Kelp Meal: 1 Table Spoon
Rock Phophate: 2 Table Spoon
 
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lxrsd said:
Greetings Ladies & Gentlemen

I'm writing this post to request some input on how to make my Organic Medium better by adding or subtracting susbtances. Currently, This is about to be my third grow. My first grow was successful but my second was even better. Putting out 5-7 Oz's Per Plant on average in a 5 Gallon Air Pot, 600w. Plants getting transplanted after 2 weeks of seedling to their final pot, 5 Gallon Pot. Posted below, will be a list of my medium, which im trying to improve for maximum yield optimization. As a rockie, I'm asking:

***KEEP IN MIND I'M TRYING TO USE "ONLY" WATER THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE GROW***

1) How does this Recipe Looks?
2) Would you add/Subtrack anything?
3) Would the Nutrients have a conflict with each other?

PER 5 GALLON POT

Fox Farm Ocean Forest Potting Soil: 75%
Black Earthworm Casting: 25%
Dolomite Lime: 2 Table Spoon
Blood Meal: 2 Table Spoon
Bone Meal: 2 Table Spoon
Kelp Meal: 1 Table Spoon
Rock Phophate: 2 Table Spoon
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I'd hold off on the d-lime, blood meal, bonemeal.
replace with crab meal, alfalfa meal, and fish bone meal. One tbsp. of each as your ffof is already amended.
Add aeration also.
I also don't like airpots, but if you do that's all good.
if your concerned about ph you can add a half cup of oyster flour.
 
greasemonkeymann said:
I'd hold off on the d-lime, blood meal, bonemeal.
replace with crab meal, alfalfa meal, and fish bone meal. One tbsp. of each as your ffof is already amended.
Add aeration also.
I also don't like airpots, but if you do that's all good.
if your concerned about ph you can add a half cup of oyster flour.
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WOW thanks :), I was trying to add Blood, Bone and D-lime cause after two weeks of flowering My leafs starting asking for more nutes. Last grow I used liquid Nutes on Flowering. My questions is, Why replacing them for what the one you recommended. What's the differences?
 
lxrsd said:
WOW thanks :), I was trying to add Blood, Bone and D-lime cause after two weeks of flowering My leafs starting asking for more nutes. Last grow I used liquid Nutes on Flowering. My questions is, Why replacing them for what the one you recommended. What's the differences?
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well, without getting long-winded...
bloodmeal is too soluble for my liking, and hard to "control" meaning it available pretty fast and sorta all at once, bovine bonemeal I don't use because of the health risks involve (google CFE disease, or prion disease, madcow, etc)
d-lime isn't needed because the soil is already ph adjusted, not to mention I don't like the soluble-ness of that either
These are my preferences, you CAN absolutely use those, I just prefer not to.
Besides alfalfa meal is awesome stuff.
the nutrients I suggested breakdown more slowly, which in my experience is better.
I personally think it's integral to mix the "availability" of the nutrients.
slow release, with medium release, with fast release. that way your plant has what it needs throughout the grow.
The NPK isn't as important as the speed of the breakdown of the nutrients becoming use-able.
another reason I love an amended compost pile, it's all ready to go when you mix, no aging needed.
 
lxrsd said:
WOW thanks :), I was trying to add Blood, Bone and D-lime cause after two weeks of flowering My leafs starting asking for more nutes. Last grow I used liquid Nutes on Flowering. My questions is, Why replacing them for what the one you recommended. What's the differences?
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depending on what you fed them last time, that could have made your plants appear to be hungry, when they weren't.
I'm missing some information here, according to your timeline, you transplant two weeks after germinating into a 5 gallon, from there how long do you vege for?
reason I ask is that the airpots, especially only a 5-gal, is a lil small for 6-8 oz off each plant.
For me, and my soil mix (keep in mind I run an ASSTON of aeration) I usually don't get 6-8 oz off a plant unless I have it in at least a 7 gal, or better yet a 12 gal, but I have weird and inconsistent vege times. Almost always a smaller container means smaller yields. At least in organic soil.
From that information i'd speculate that you may be having them in that container a bit long, meaning either the soil isn't enough in quantity or simply that the plant has used everything in the soil. I also prefer to transplant once in between the final container, it seems to develop less "empty" spots in the growing media, the roots tend to stay a lil more dense when transplanted like that.
In my experience cannabis LOVES to have room in an organic mix.
Waaaaaay easier to keep a plant happy in a big container, with an amended soil, rather than attempting to manage a hungry rootbound plant.
 
greasemonkeymann said:
depending on what you fed them last time, that could have made your plants appear to be hungry, when they weren't.
I'm missing some information here, according to your timeline, you transplant two weeks after germinating into a 5 gallon, from there how long do you vege for?
reason I ask is that the airpots, especially only a 5-gal, is a lil small for 6-8 oz off each plant.
For me, and my soil mix (keep in mind I run an ASSTON of aeration) I usually don't get 6-8 oz off a plant unless I have it in at least a 7 gal, or better yet a 12 gal, but I have weird and inconsistent vege times. Almost always a smaller container means smaller yields. At least in organic soil.
From that information i'd speculate that you may be having them in that container a bit long, meaning either the soil isn't enough in quantity or simply that the plant has used everything in the soil. I also prefer to transplant once in between the final container, it seems to develop less "empty" spots in the growing media, the roots tend to stay a lil more dense when transplanted like that.
In my experience cannabis LOVES to have room in an organic mix.
Waaaaaay easier to keep a plant happy in a big container, with an amended soil, rather than attempting to manage a hungry rootbound plant.
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After two weeks, I transplant them into a 5 gallon air pot. The plants usually Veg for two months before flipping them. Around early - mid flowering i start to see yellowing and leaf dying. In my first grow I had an PH problem and that's why I started using D-lime soon my second grow. Second grow I used Biotanics (Can't remember how to spell it) Black bottle with purple stricker its like (0-15-14) Something along them lines and a two steps liquid called max and other bloom something, for soil.
 
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lxrsd said:
After two weeks, I transplant them into a 5 gallon air pot. The plants usually Veg for two months before flipping them. Around early - mid flowering i start to see yellowing and leaf dying. In my first grow I had an PH problem and that's why I started using D-lime oon my second grow. Second grow I used Biotanics (Can't remember how to spell it) Black bottle with purple stricker its like (0-15-14) Something along them lines and a two steps liquid called bloom something, for soil.
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holy crap, a 0-15-14?!
in soil you can ph all day and get different results.
SO the plant is in the container for roughly 4 months?
that's a bit long for a 5 gal.
I bet if you went with a bigger container you'd have better results.
side note...My 2 cents.. if plant numbers aren't a problem, i'd go with a shorter vege time, and more plants, smaller containers, I bet your yield per year would go up dramatically.
something veged for two weeks is about right for optimal turnaround, that six weeks difference per veg run, would get you a whole extra harvest per year. Maybe even two.
 
greasemonkeymann said:
holy crap, a 0-15-14?!
in soil you can ph all day and get different results.
SO the plant is in the container for roughly 4 months?
that's a bit long for a 5 gal.
I bet if you went with a bigger container you'd have better results.
side note...My 2 cents.. if plant numbers aren't a problem, i'd go with a shorter vege time, and more plants, smaller containers, I bet your yield per year would go up dramatically.
something veged for two weeks is about right for optimal turnaround, that six weeks difference per veg run, would get you a whole extra harvest per year. Maybe even two.
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WOW! Thats a great idea, I might tried that next time but the thing is that i grow to smoke not sell and grow a few plants no more Than 2-4. As you can see, i've no minerals in my medium. Can you please give me a little summary what minerals do and what would you recommend :). Thank you
 
lxrsd said:
WOW! Thats a great idea, I might tried that next time but the thing is that i grow to smoke not sell and grow a few plants no more Than 2-4. As you can see, i've no minerals in my medium. Can you please give me a little summary what minerals do and what would you recommend :). Thank you
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I found a website, build a soil, and they have it all pe-mixed. Sounds too easy, I am about to try them out!

It has exactly what GreaseMonkey said to use!
 
lxrsd said:
WOW! Thats a great idea, I might tried that next time but the thing is that i grow to smoke not sell and grow a few plants no more Than 2-4. As you can see, i've no minerals in my medium. Can you please give me a little summary what minerals do and what would you recommend :). Thank you
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rock phosphates counts as a mineral, in my book.
As far as to what minerals do for your plant?
that my good man is a whole can of worms, sorta like asking why humans need minerals
I'll coin a phrase from the great classic stoner movie Joe Dirt
"how does a posi traction rear-end on a Plymouth work? It just does!"
all kidding aside minerals are crucial to an organic grow.
Go check it out, too much stuff to get into.
here's a good explanation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_nutrition
 
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greasemonkeymann said:
rock phosphates counts as a mineral, in my book.
As far as to what minerals do for your plant?
that my good man is a whole can of worms, sorta like asking why humans need minerals
I'll coin a phrase from the great classic stoner movie Joe Dirt
"how does a posi traction rear-end on a Plymouth work? It just does!"
all kidding aside minerals are crucial to an organic grow.
Go check it out, too much stuff to get into.
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Dam... The fact that I grew without minerals says a lot. I'm going to do my research and tried to add some. Which one would you recommend for organic soil?
 
lxrsd said:
Dam... The fact that I grew without minerals says a lot. I'm going to do my research and tried to add some. Which one would you recommend for organic soil?
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I waited too long to find the website, buildasoil.com. Really, it has everything mixed in ratios and it looks very newb friendly. I would have had to shop at 3 different places to find everything.
Nutrient packs and mineral packs all ready to go. I am def going to order soon! I only wish that I had found this site 4yrs ago!
 
greasemonkeymann said:
holy crap, a 0-15-14?!
in soil you can ph all day and get different results.
SO the plant is in the container for roughly 4 months?
that's a bit long for a 5 gal.
I bet if you went with a bigger container you'd have better results.
side note...My 2 cents.. if plant numbers aren't a problem, i'd go with a shorter vege time, and more plants, smaller containers, I bet your yield per year would go up dramatically.
something veged for two weeks is about right for optimal turnaround, that six weeks difference per veg run, would get you a whole extra harvest per year. Maybe even two.
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I too only grow for myself, but If I can make the grow time shorter and get close to max yield from the space I have , they why the heck not ,, and do it as easy as possible, I am so getting on board with these bigger containers and with these soil mixes, I also dont want to fart around with nutes, If I can mix up a grow medium and just water it and watch the light run on a timer , wow sign me up, heck enough plants in a space and a scrog isnt even neccasry?
 
lxrsd said:
Dam... The fact that I grew without minerals says a lot. I'm going to do my research and tried to add some. Which one would you recommend for organic soil?
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like nutrients I recommend a mix of minerals.
gypsum, rock phosphates, granite dust, azomite, greensand, langbeinite, I sorta count oyster flour as a mineral but not really
greensand and langbeinite are great for reusing soils, as they don't do much for a yr or two, gypsum is good stuff, granite dust can be radioactive (approx. 5% naturally has uranium, thorium, etc)
I really like gypsum, greensand, and langbeinite.
 
lxrsd said:
Dam... The fact that I grew without minerals says a lot. I'm going to do my research and tried to add some. Which one would you recommend for organic soil?
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you probably were using minerals and didn't know it, pretty sure FFOF has minerals in it. Most good bagged soils do
 
Tim Fox said:
I too only grow for myself, but If I can make the grow time shorter and get close to max yield from the space I have , they why the heck not ,, and do it as easy as possible, I am so getting on board with these bigger containers and with these soil mixes, I also dont want to fart around with nutes, If I can mix up a grow medium and just water it and watch the light run on a timer , wow sign me up, heck enough plants in a space and a scrog isnt even neccasry?
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very true man, I don't do much for my plants anymore, and they don't mind at all.
the most amount of work I do is regarding genetics, cloning, marking which males are which, which females are which, transplanting, etc.
and my compost pile, but even that isn't so bad.
I've gone a whole four days without checking my garden before, and there wasn't any issues at all, although I highly recommend NOT doing that, as things like mites can go from a teensy issue to a full-blow "webbing" in four days...
I have nothing automated except for my lights.
I use a thick layer of compost to help water retention.
 
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