What Classifies a Grow as Organic?

Mr Bomb

Active Member
I hear the term organic used all the time by growers. I guess I would like a little clarity on what exactly constitutes an organic grow.

If you use nutrients can you still be organic? If yes, are there some that aren't considered organic?

Are all Foxfarm products safe for organic gardening?

If pesticides or fungicides are needed how can you use them while remaining organic? Are some better than others as far as organic gardening goes?

Im sure its not just me that has wondered this before so any positive feedback would be greatly appreciated.
 

plaguedog

Active Member
In 1939, Lord Northbourne coined the term organic farming in his book Look to the Land (1940), out of his conception of "the farm as organism", to describe a holistic, ecologically-balanced approach to farming—in contrast to what he called chemical farming, which relied on "imported fertility" and "cannot be self-sufficient nor an organic whole".[4] This is different from the scientific use of the term "organic", to refer to a class of molecules that contain carbon, especially those involved in the chemistry of life. (Copied fom Wiki)

Really it's just about a natural way to get the plants soil alive with microbiology. When growing in soil with organics you are really feeding the soil not the plant. The microbes in the soil breakdown the nutrients which the plant then uses for growth.

Anything natural such as guano's for with high nitrogen levels (Peruvian Seabird, Mexican) or high P levels (Indonesian, Jamican). Sea Weed (Kelp) Fish Hydroslate, bone meal, blood meal are all examples of organic nutrients.

Fox Farm products are BASED off organics but are not truely 100% organic. (At least there normal ferts aren't, some of the supplements are) I'm sure someone else can answer this question a little more thoroughly but those are the basics.
 

jordisgarden

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not using chamicals in the grow. i think. same thing that would make tommatoes organic. everything you use is natural.....personally im not interested in going natural.
 

georgi345

Active Member
In 1939, Lord Northbourne coined the term organic farming in his book Look to the Land (1940), out of his conception of "the farm as organism", to describe a holistic, ecologically-balanced approach to farming—in contrast to what he called chemical farming, which relied on "imported fertility" and "cannot be self-sufficient nor an organic whole".[4]
n.b. : while northbourne might indeed have coined the term "organic" in reference to 'organic farming', as the wiki article you point to makes clear to note it was in fact the "biodynamic" principles indicated by rudolf steiner in his lectures on agriculture (1924) [which, incidentally, are a fascinating if somewhat gonzo read and well worth the effort] that gave birth to the ideas that northbourne was practicing/writing about...

cheers
-g
:leaf:
 

Jerry Garcia

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I hear the term organic used all the time by growers. I guess I would like a little clarity on what exactly constitutes an organic grow.
Using only naturally derived ingredients to grow plants. This includes soil/medium and nutrients.

If you use nutrients can you still be organic? If yes, are there some that aren't considered organic?
Yes and yes. Many nutrients are derived from inorganic/chemical sources. Some are derived only from naturally occurring sources.

Are all Foxfarm products safe for organic gardening?
No, but some of it is. The stuff that is organic will clearly display its organicness...Ocean Forest and I think Happy Frog are both organic media. Big Bloom is an organic liquid fertilizer, comprised mostly of earthworm castings and bat guano. Tiger Bloom flower fertilizer and Grow Big veg fertilizer are both INORGANIC, though they contain some organically derived ingredients.

If pesticides or fungicides are needed how can you use them while remaining organic? Are some better than others as far as organic gardening goes?
Neem oil/concentrate is the most widely used organic pesticide/fungicide and works best if used preemptively. There are other commercial products available, but I have no experience with anything but neem. It's worked well for me.

Here's a thread that has some good information regarding your interest in organics. The first part is from a pamphlet I picked up from Fox Farm, the rest is all discussion.

https://www.rollitup.org/organics/213069-do-your-plants-know-difference.html

Personally, I love my organically produced buds...:eyesmoke:
 

dingbang

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The term "Organic" has been bastardized and commercialized almost beyond recognition with our current "green" trend in society but the fundamentals are really simple and can become quite complex the deeper you delve into it I think. I am happy no matter what peoples intentions are for going green but labels and terminology can be misleading (which I think that is kind of the idea) so here is some info I came across a while back that I hope adds some clarity.

The following are the USDA standards and labels for organic items.

"100% Organic
means that a product has been certified as containing only organically produced ingredients, with the exception of water and salt (which are not themselves agriculturally produced products, so cannot be certified organic under The National Organic Program aka NOP ).

Organic means that a product has been certified as containing 95% organically produced ingredients, with the exception of water and salt. The other 5% of ingredients must be on the allowed list and must be products not currently produced organically for the commercial market.

Made with Organic Ingredients means that the processed product bearing this label contains 70% organically produced ingredients. These products can additionally list up to three ingredients on the package that are organically produced along with the percentage of organic ingredients, however packaging cannot use the USDA seal."


Now I for one have very little faith in the EPA ,USDA, NOP or the AAPFCO. What the hell is the AAPFCO you say? The Association of American Plant Food Control Officials is an individually run state group that determines the labels for your states fertilizers.

The last time i checked the AAPFCO had a different set of standards than the NOP and the USDA.Biosolids were OK depending on the level of trace metals determined by the EPA not necessarily in accordance with the NOP and USDA.Can you imagine how confusing this is for organic commercial farmers?So what does this mean?It simply means you can't trust a label, stamp or seal if you intend to grow organic. For me personally I am not a fan of growing in urea or sewage sludge. If you have ever smelled Milorganite you would understand why.I try to grow organic but I can't say that my seeds were organic. Some "organic" ferts still release organic toxins such as dioxins, polychlorinated-dibenzo-p dioxins and polychlorinated dibenzofurans so what the hell? And we haven't even touched on all the scary stuff that's in the water these days!

You just have to be a very diligent, label reading, google geek with your own set of standards and ideals. Nobody is going to come by take your "100% Organic" trophy away because your fert uses pure synthetic urea rather than a natural sourced urea. I try to maintain my grow as organic as possible to keep my costs down, reduce my carbon footprint and honestly...its just easier once your homework is done. The organic vs. inorganic taste debate still rages on but I feel better knowing that less toxic, less petroleum reliant materials were used to make my daily smoke.

I think a really simple cost effective organic approach is Fox Farm Ocean Forest soil, Blue Mountain Organic Nutrients with RO water and neem oil to keep the critters away.

Sorry for the long rant but this has been a topic of recent dinners in our home and I obviously had a lot on my mind.
I hope i didn't add to the confusion and good luck however you choose to grow.












 

T.H.Cammo

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Let's not forget the other form of "Organic Pesticide" - bugs!

Ladybugs (and some other preditors) are the "Biological Units" of organic pesticides, and they Kick Ass!
 

retardigraded

Active Member
Pyrethrin is also organic, as it is derived from a kind of chrysanthemum plant. You can extract them from the flowers and such. I'm lazy, so I'd just buy 'em. You can find out how to make some pesticides here, though. Not all are organic such as the alcohol sprays, and the nicotine spray could be debatable depending on where you got the tobacco. I'll stop blabbing, here's the link!

http://www.comfycountrycreations.com/bugspray.htm
 

CSI Stickyicky

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This grow i decided to go all natural. My first grow i used the fox farm trio. this time, Im using Foxfarm Ocean Forest (extra perlite added), Jamaican bat shit, worm shit, Molasses, FF Big Bloom, and water. So far, there is no discoloration or curling of the leaves, and the calyxes are filling in a lot quicker and denser than before. Its only my second grow, but im really thinking organic is the way to go. Some of the best tasting buds ive smoked were organic.
 

greenesthaze

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This grow i decided to go all natural. My first grow i used the fox farm trio. this time, Im using Foxfarm Ocean Forest (extra perlite added), Jamaican bat shit, worm shit, Molasses, FF Big Bloom, and water. So far, there is no discoloration or curling of the leaves, and the calyxes are filling in a lot quicker and denser than before. Its only my second grow, but im really thinking organic is the way to go. Some of the best tasting buds ive smoked were organic.

organic... lets think about it.:wall::wall:
piss = nitrogen
banana's/ peels = potassium
eggshells/ eggwhite = phosphorous
the rest is in dirty....
 

gfreese

Member
I'm wondering about organic seeds, anyone know about any for sale? The only company I've heard of is suma or soma. Are these seeds worth buying or just get some normal ones and grow organically?
 

the75bag

Active Member
to me organic means no salts chem hormones
you can use bugs against bugs like ladybugs against aphids or organic pesticides like zero tolerance
but big bloom is organic ocean forest soil and a couple of other soils and there bone meal boxes and amendment are as well
 
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