What are the best nutrients out there?whats better advanced nutrients or hydro fuel?

What are the best nutrients out there?whats better advanced nutrients or hydro fuel?

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Carolina Dream'n

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You are absolutely one hundred and fifty percent right! I need more experience. I have been doing this now for oh I say about 4 months. Thanks for your input. However I am running the same NUTES Medicropper on youtube ran and said they are by far the best nutes for new people so unless YOU HAVE A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR GROW GOING ON AT ALL TIMES please kindly stfu and gtfo.

Oh and I didn't read your wall of text so go away you dirty smelly hippy.
Oh, the ignorance is great.
Do as you please, I used to be the same way. Just follow a nutrient line not knowing what is in it (5 years ago).
I'm not gonna talk about income, just as medi doesn't. It's teasing the Feds. All I'll say is in far from a tent grower.
And please explain how you came to the conclusion that someone with over 6 years of education is a "dirty hippie".
Let's try to have the conversation without name calling or cursing.
 

Carolina Dream'n

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You're right on both.
Long story short, first time grower. I had a gifted clone dying on me. I purchased the AN GMB and B-52 to give DWC a shot. Month later, the best plant I have. Stuff is brain dead to use.The other plants in dirt get Advanced Organics and look like shit.
It's about a buck a gallon to mix up purchased in small containers. What should a good Veg mix cost?
For hydro or soil?
 

Dr New New

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Oh, the ignorance is great.
Do as you please, I used to be the same way. Just follow a nutrient line not knowing what is in it (5 years ago).
I'm not gonna talk about income, just as medi doesn't. It's teasing the Feds. All I'll say is in far from a tent grower.
And please explain how you came to the conclusion that someone witg over 6 years of education is a "dirty hippie".
Let's try to have the conversation without name calling or cursing.
I edited after I posted it and I apologize but you are a dick for saying my lack of experience pretty much nulls my opinion on the matter. I researched for almost two years before I invested in my grow. If you check my posts you will see that I only asked about my plants being pregnant.other than that I research everything on my own. During my research I found I had to dig through the crap to find valid info. You my good sir are not valid info. But let's take a step back Mr college man, trust me I've dealt with college guys thinking they know best for a long time. What did the OP ask?

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chuck estevez

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You're right on both.
Long story short, first time grower. I had a gifted clone dying on me. I purchased the AN GMB and B-52 to give DWC a shot. Month later, the best plant I have. Stuff is brain dead to use.The other plants in dirt get Advanced Organics and look like shit.
It's about a buck a gallon to mix up purchased in small containers. What should a good Veg mix cost?
B-52 is a waste of money,
true story


plants make there own b vitamin, b-52 is the biggest waste of them all.
 

Carolina Dream'n

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I edited after I posted it and I apologize but you are a dick for saying my lack of experience pretty much nulls my opinion on the matter. I researched for almost two years before I invested in my grow. If you check my posts you will see that I only asked about my plants being pregnant.other than that I research everything on my own. During my research I found I had to dig through the crap to find valid info. You my good sir are not valid info. But let's take a step back Mr college man, trust me I've dealt with college guys thinking they know best for a long time. What did the OP ask?

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The edit I just read actually added another insult, didn't apologize.
Sorry if you think im a dick, but experience is far more reputable than research.
Idc what you posted, that wasn't what I cared about, we all have problems growing. It's the 4 months of experience.
I spend 2 to 3 grand a month on nutrients. Telling me to just go buy cyco is ignorant, IF I can learn to produce the same nutrients myself for 500 a month.
Atleast u did pick a reputable brand, their protein/amino acid chelation is superior to must brands style.
The op'a question was advanced or hydro fuel. Which I already gave my opinion further back.
 

Carolina Dream'n

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B-52 is a waste of money,

true story


plants make there own b vitamin, b-52 is the biggest waste of them all.
I love me some b vitamins. Plants do produce b vitamins on their own, but not to their full potential, especially in hydro. Aiding with some b vitamins will let the plants focus on other tasks(producing foliage and roots in veg and flower sites in flower), reduce stress and up taking of other nutrients.

It's the same concept as carbs, plants do produce them, but not as much as the plant can use without ill effect. Therefor some people include them in their regimen.

Just so another shit show doesn't start. I'm not right and your not wrong. We just have different ways of doing it.
 

chuck estevez

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I love me some b vitamins. Plants do produce b vitamins on their own, but not to their full potential, especially in hydro. Aiding with some b vitamins will let the plants focus on other tasks(producing foliage and roots in veg and flower sites in flower), reduce stress and up taking of other nutrients.

It's the same concept as carbs, plants do produce them, but not as much as the plant can use without ill effect. Therefor some people include them in their regimen.

Just so another shit show doesn't start. I'm not right and your not wrong. We just have different ways of doing it.
this DOCTOR disagrees with you http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf

plants don't needs carbs either, carbs are for feeding bacteria and fungus, which help in breaking down nutrients into ions.

I can have a discussion without name calling.:bigjoint:
 

Carolina Dream'n

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this DOCTOR disagrees with you http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf

plants don't needs carbs either, carbs are for feeding bacteria and fungus, which help in breaking down nutrients into ions.

I can have a discussion without name calling.:bigjoint:
I love it! A conversation with scientific background. I just read that article and she talked about soil a lot. Do you know if this was a soil based test?
The reason I ask, is with a sterile Rez in hydro, you won't have any beneficial's to create any b vitamin. The plant still does, but is it enough?
Time for me to go find my text book talking about it. It might take a couple hours.

Also, I have done side by sides with b52 and without. The plants feed b52 were more healthy and vigorous. But since b52 isn't just b1 could those signs be directly correlated to b1? Science would say no.
 

Carolina Dream'n

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this DOCTOR disagrees with you http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf

plants don't needs carbs either, carbs are for feeding bacteria and fungus, which help in breaking down nutrients into ions.
I can have a discussion without name calling.:bigjoint:
Plants store carbs in the root zone for when they are needed, feeding carbs to the roots, with or without beneficial's will also make the plant work less in that area. (Photosynthesizing)

Only a small amount of carbs will actually be absorbed through the roots, glucose being the one that stands out in my memory.
 
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Carolina Dream'n

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It's kind of a contradicting article, but let's see what you think.


Whats the big deal with carbohydrate and amino acid productsthem these days? Are they being used or misused by growers? We asked Steve Berlow, a research consultant for Florigen Laboratories in BC, Canada to give us his insider perspective on the rise of carbohydrate and amino acid based products in the marketplace in recent years…

So a grower walks into their local store, decides to buy a big bottle of some sugary carb supplement, with the intention of deploying it on his next res change. The notion is that the plants will suck up the carbs and get a boost of ‘pure energy’ without having to go through the hassle of producing them as a product of photosynthesis.
Errrr, sorry to spoil the big carb party, but it’s not actually that straight forward. The carbohydrate supplement is definitely a case where theory got ahead of practice. In theory providing your plants with an array of simple and complex carbohydrates seems like a great idea. We all know that plants, driven by light energy and photosynthesis, produce sugar and starch. The plant uses this for growth and development. So the theory goes – if we supplement our nutrient solution with those very same sugars and starches, then the plant won’t have to make them all for itself and can therefore devote its energy to other things – such as making big flowers and fruits! Alternatively, if the plant is undergoing a period of physical stress (such as flowering or fruiting) then the supplementation of those sugars and starches will enable the plant to grow and develop at warp speed as we have removed a limiting factor. Unfortunately all this seems feasible in a text book but, as usual, these things are rarely as simple in real life.
Why not? Well, put simply, it’s one thing to supplement a plant with carbs in a lab, quite another to do so in vivo (real life – real situation.) You can inject carbs directly into a stem or a leaf, for instance, using laboratory techniques, but surely the crunch question is: can a plant uptake carbohydrates through its roots? I have been involved in research that aimed to determine whether plants could actually uptake and utilize carbohydrates and, if so, what could they uptake and utilize. Carbohydrates range in size from very small, simple structures like glucose or fructose through to enormously large, complex molecules like polysaccharides. So – did I find that plants could uptake simple and complex carbohydrates? Other than some very simple, and small carbohydrates (e.g. plain table sugar or fructose / glucose) plants essentially cannot take up other more complex carbohydrates through their root zone. Why? It’s because of a unique little barrier in the roots called the Casparian strip – complete with his sidekick the endodermis. Essentially the Casparian strip forces everything, and that includes carbohydrates, through the endodermis to be actively selected or rejected for uptake.

Ready For The Science Bit? Introducing The Casparian Strip – Your Plant’s Very Own Homeland Security!
Inside the roots of your plants sits a very innocuous and extremely important band of cells – called the Casparian Strip. I like to think of this as a sort of “security guard” for your plant. It is used to block the passive flow of materials ( travelling between the cells), such as water and solutes into the main water carrying columns of the plant – the xylem and phloem. By doing this it forces everything to actively pass through or be rejected by the endodermis. Once within the epidermis, water passes through the cortex, mainly traveling between the cells. However, in order to enter the stele, it must pass through the cytoplasm of the cells of the endodermis. Once within the stele, water is free again to move between cells as well as through them. For solutes to pass through the endodermis they must be in inorganic, ionic form to be transported across to the stele. As you can see getting water and nutrients inside your plants is no easy process!
An interesting side note for people who grow with organic nutrients.
When you hear of the virtues of organic fertilizers, remember that such materials are unable to meet any nutritional needs of the plant until they have been degraded / converted into inorganic forms. Organic matter does play an important role in making good soil texture and rhizosphere health, but it can only meet the nutritional needs of the plant to the extent that it can yield inorganic ions. Once within the epidermis, only the inorganic ions pass inward from cell to cell.
 

TheChemist77

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i did years of side by side testings of base nutrients in a 4x4 ebb n flow table in 4'' rock wool...GEN HYDROPONICS 3 part, nova series and maxi series all yielded better than advanced, fox farm foiliar pro was second and plantlife 3rd, many more after that advanced wasnt even in the top 5..i do believe the water u use is a issua as ive had friends that love advanced nutes, all tried maxi and switched over as gh nutes are ph balanced..i used nova series wen i lived in chicago now i use maxi in mi as it works better w/ the tap water here..some of the higher priced nutrients are crap wile maxi very cheap suplies all ur plants need and get nice yields so will nova but its what works best with your water....but people will argue about best nutrients all day..if i could go back i wouldve just used the nova and maxi and saved thousands of dollars testing all the other brands
 
someone help me....I have 2 charge packs from tga the 5lbs each bags...so I can make 6 cu ft of super soil....what should I use for my base..sunsine mix #4 or half and half with happy frog or just use all happyfrog...thanks
 

churchhaze

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B-vitamins and amino acids are forbidden from my DWC reservoir. Their crime? Being pointless..

Carbs are even more forbidden. Sugar will alter the osmotic gradient while adding 0 nutritional benefit. That essentially makes sugar toxic to root systems.

What nutrient formula you use depends on what medium you're using. I design pure pure hydro (complete) solutions, not intended for mediums fortified with insoluble calcium.

I use potassium nitrate,
calcium nitrate,
monopotassium phosphate,
magnesium sulfate,
iron sulfate,
manganese sulfate,
sodium borate,
sodium molybdate,
and a piece of post 1983+ US penny.
 

thenotsoesoteric

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You are absolutely one hundred and fifty percent right! I need more experience. I have been doing this now for oh I say about 4 months. Thanks for your input. However I am running the same NUTES Medicropper on youtube ran and said they are by far the best nutes for new people so unless YOU HAVE A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR GROW GOING ON AT ALL TIMES please kindly stfu and gtfo.

Some of us are not obsessing our whole lives around this hobby. Its so we can just provide our own smoke. Sorry you are like that show Dance Moms where growing is your world.
You should stfu and gtfu with your fucking four months.
It's funny, I see more women starting shit then the boys. Compensating for that lack of something are we?
 

Carolina Dream'n

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You should stfu and gtfu with your fucking four months.
It's funny, I see more women starting shit then the boys. Compensating for that lack of something are we?
Don't go too hard on em. I pride my self in being the obsessed "dance mom". He stated in the post that he grows for smoke and that's the difference between wanting to have the knowledge or jus dumping "x amount of part a, y amount of part b".

I love what I do and I am ok with being called obsessed. But I also know when to bow down and listen to someone with more knowledge/experience.
Church and chuck seem to know what they are talking about, they have more knowledge or experience that I. And I am just fine with that, not gonna start a fight with them, but I shall converse and learn.
^ something that Dr. New new should learn to do.
 

thenotsoesoteric

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Don't go too hard on em. I pride my self in being the obsessed "dance mom". He stated in the post that he grows for smoke and that's the difference between wanting to have the knowledge or jus dumping "x amount of part a, y amount of part b".

I love what I do and I am ok with being called obsessed. But I also know when to bow down and listen to someone with more knowledge/experience.
Church and chuck seem to know what they are talking about, they have more knowledge or experience that I. And I am just fine with that, not gonna start a fight with them, but I shall converse and learn.
^ something that Dr. New new should learn to do.
I'm thinking it was a lady, trying to be all aggressive to show the "guys" what's up. Either way the Dr. has the mentality of a teenage child. Cheers and I feel you on taking in knowledge when it presents itself.
 

chuck estevez

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someone help me....I have 2 charge packs from tga the 5lbs each bags...so I can make 6 cu ft of super soil....what should I use for my base..sunsine mix #4 or half and half with happy frog or just use all happyfrog...thanks
my choice would be all HF, but sub prefers roots organic for his base.
 
if I can get that I will..i can get happy frog and ocean forest...since I need 6 cu ft..could I do like 5 cu ft of happy frog and one bag of ocean forest....I know ffof is too strong for making super soil..butt what if I did the combination I just said...and thanks chuck
 
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