What are Biden's foreign policies?

mooray

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Okay, but keep in mind that the apparent confusion is the same as saying the inverse, which is, "I have no concerns with these politicians(this word includes democrats) being influenced by big money", and if you disagree with that sentence, then we likely share the same concerns.

With lobbying being perfectly legal, we've created a corporatocracy. I take issue with that. Perhaps you don't and that's okay, I'm just not of the philosophy that everything legal is also good.
 

Dorian2

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Hey guys. Canadian here. Been reading through this thread and getting a few good chuckles!

As a "foreigner" by definition, and also as somebody who was raised in the Canadian Military with relatives fighting alongside your own countrymen in both WW2 and Korea, I'm interested in the average American take on some of the International deals and treaties that your country has left in the last 4 years. I'm not into Politics very much....but have spent the last year and a bit slightly more "connected" to WTF that sociapathic gnome dick they call a "Trump" has done. From my perspective, the USA has lost a LOT of International cred that you once held in spades.

Do you think some of the damage that's been done to the reputation of your country thanks to a number of bad actors will be reconciled in some positive fashion for the future Internationally with Biden at the wheel?
 

mooray

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Always love hearing the thoughts of people outside the US. Literally not one of them has been positive, rightfully so.

Some of what's been lost has already been restored, but I don't think that these idiots which have been empowered over the last four years are going to return to their subdued state and what may be gained during Biden's years could easily be lost and them some.
 

Dorian2

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Hope my post didn't come across as totally negative. A lot of people in other countries, myself included, have a ton of respect for civil minded, aware, hard working non pretentious Americans. Going to guess there's a fuck of a lot more of those than the big mouth scared pussy's that want to rehash the same rhetoric without any mention of a forward thinking, solution based proposals and idears.

:)
 

mooray

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I think it's literally close to half the population. We could easily implode, imo. It's only a matter of how many people want to put their money where their mouth is and the more we suffer from income inequality, the more likely it becomes. It's like we're currently in this post-WW1 state of economic sanctions and debt that will probably lead to a desperation that goes nowhere good. Just a pessimists take, of course.
 

Fogdog

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Hey guys. Canadian here. Been reading through this thread and getting a few good chuckles!

As a "foreigner" by definition, and also as somebody who was raised in the Canadian Military with relatives fighting alongside your own countrymen in both WW2 and Korea, I'm interested in the average American take on some of the International deals and treaties that your country has left in the last 4 years. I'm not into Politics very much....but have spent the last year and a bit slightly more "connected" to WTF that sociapathic gnome dick they call a "Trump" has done. From my perspective, the USA has lost a LOT of International cred that you once held in spades.

Do you think some of the damage that's been done to the reputation of your country thanks to a number of bad actors will be reconciled in some positive fashion for the future Internationally with Biden at the wheel?
The worst effect on foreign affairs that Trump will have going forward (imo) are his actions to reverse treaties and obligations made by prior administrations. His backing out of The Paris Climate Agreement will have a lasting effect on climate but the worst part of his action is the arbitrary and unilateral way that he took the US out of the accord. It makes every agreement with the US appear temporary and capricious. Same with how he took the US out of that treaty with Iran. I would advise anybody to be cautious about making a treaty with the US while we are politically so unstable. Republicans could take charge in 2024 and wipe out any agreements made between now and then.

So, yeah, this is a terrible reputation to stick us with. But we deserve it for now. The US is in a dynamic period with only slightly more people who support democracy than those who would turn us over to an authoritarian leader with no regard for the rule of law. It's going to take at least a decade before our country becomes stable enough for people to make longer lasting agreements with us and we can be expected to stick with them. This assumes we manage to protect our democratic institutions and Trump's antidemocratic supporters do not manage to throttle our elections.
 
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mooray

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The US is in a dynamic period with only slightly more people who support democracy than those who would turn us over to an authoritarian leader with no regard for the rule of law.
And want to do so while thinking they're red blooded patriots. It's amazing what we can fool ourselves into thinking when we want it bad enough.
 

hanimmal

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I haven't forgotten the bailout. Not really a fan of allowing big corps to privatize profits and subsidize losses.
Which bailout? The one in 2009 that the banks paid back with lots of interest and our economy didn't completely collapse after the non-bank financial institutions started dropping like Domino's when the Republicans pulled their bullshit to crash the economy in 2008? Or the one that the Republicans did last year that threw a bone at our citizens with checks, but then gave 75% of the package to the wealthiest in our nation?


Yeah but the conversation wasn't me saying something bad about dems in a standalone sense, like I just felt the need to come here and complain about dems. The context was that reps are shit and that dems aren't perfect either. He's taking objection to that, so now that's been pulled out and is becoming a singular point of focus by hannimal, not myself.

My representatives suck, always complaining about masks and closed schools. You'd think being in California, we'd all be pretty liberal, but it's really only liberal around LA/SF/Sac, but once you get outside of those regions, it's red as fk.
Yeah I disagree with the 'both sides' nonsense strongly. At least in the federal level where the Democrats have only had about 7 years in the last 50 to actually get anything done, and are now dealing with the 4th economic recession that has been left to them by the Republicans.

I think since at least 2010 and the right wing propaganda machine started their 'Tea Party' con this is pretty naive. Especially since the Russian military hijacked the mindset you are posting to further degrade it into trolling people into reading about how its not even worth voting since 'both sides' suck propaganda.



Gais, life isn't norm referenced grading. It's not like it's fine to rape two women because someone else raped fifty. All I did was say reps raped fifty and dems raped two, and you're getting mad because of it. Not gonna play this game of not acknowledging realities because I don't like them. We should be more critical of those we like than those we don't, that's what improving your cause looks like. What hurts it, is ignoring the imperfections because someone else is worse, even if they're much worse.

I've said my piece on the subject, not gonna go back and forth. Have at it.
Dems raped two? What? I know you are talking to someone else, but this is the type of shit I am talking about.

Giving corps money because they've made poor business decisions miiiiiiiiiight not be the same as "paying taxes".
Oh your talking about taxes, but saying it in terms of rape? I really still don't get it.
 

mooray

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If you're philosophically consistent, then any bailout.

I didn't bring up taxes. Talk to the person that brought up taxes.

I think the way we debate is incompatible and we'll just end up getting cranky with each other, when in the end, we probably agree that corporate money in legislation is a bad thing(yes, even for our golden democrats). You're a likeable fellow and I just don't see the benefit in having friction over basically nothing.
 
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Fogdog

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And want to do so while thinking they're red blooded patriots. It's amazing what we can fool ourselves into thinking when we want it bad enough.
Shouting USA! while sacking the Capitol Building.

Proclaiming to be pro-life and cheering the record number of executions ordered by Trump toward the end of his administration.

Fitzgerald said “the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.” It's one thing to knowingly hold two opposed ideas in mind and function in society, but Trumpers hold many contradictory ideas and deny there is a contradiction.

One who says they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and then cheer Trump putting kids in cages seems contradictory to us but not to a Trumper.
 
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hanimmal

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Hey guys. Canadian here. Been reading through this thread and getting a few good chuckles!

As a "foreigner" by definition, and also as somebody who was raised in the Canadian Military with relatives fighting alongside your own countrymen in both WW2 and Korea, I'm interested in the average American take on some of the International deals and treaties that your country has left in the last 4 years. I'm not into Politics very much....but have spent the last year and a bit slightly more "connected" to WTF that sociapathic gnome dick they call a "Trump" has done. From my perspective, the USA has lost a LOT of International cred that you once held in spades.

Do you think some of the damage that's been done to the reputation of your country thanks to a number of bad actors will be reconciled in some positive fashion for the future Internationally with Biden at the wheel?
Nice to meet you.

Tough call.

I really hope Trump gets exposed fully in our courts. And the disinformation age ends with his trial. But with Netanyahu, Saudi's, UAE, Putin, etc I am more worried that it gets buried for political expedience and world stability.

It does suck that we don't really know how bad it got under Trump with his online propaganda warfare that may have been directed to other countries yet. I really was hoping Biden would have on day one released all the reports showing how bad it really got.

If you're philosophically consistent, then any bailout.
I would stick to economics, which is why I disagree strongly. In real life there is a lot of nuance that doesn't fit nicely into a box.

I didn't bring up taxes. Talk to the person that brought up taxes.
I was not sure what you were talking about with your 'Dem's raped them' nonsense. I gave you the benefit of a doubt I guess that you were talking about taxes. Was it something more ridiculous?

I think the way we debate is incompatible and we'll just end up getting cranky with each other, when in the end, we probably agree that corporate money in legislation is a bad thing(yes, even for our golden democrats). You're a likeable fellow and I just don't see the benefit in having friction over basically nothing.
No worries, I just am pointing out that the 'both sides' troll is not reality man. Hopefully you think about how it is used and amplified so that it can be used for voter suppression propaganda. No friction on my side.

I am not saying any person is perfect. Democrats are a political party made up of people. They are not magic or anything, so you can put away your trolling me calling them golden or anything of the sort.

I am just saying that we shouldn't allow this to rewrite history of the Democratic party having more than almost 7 years since the 70's to actually do anything. And that was with dealing with the shit boom-bust economic collapses the Republicans dump on us.
 

xtsho

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Any foreign policy is better than that crap we had for four years under trump burning bridges with our allies and embracing the worst leaders in the world like Putin, Kim Jong Un, and that crazy nutcase Duterte of the Philippines.

We'll have to see how things play out but I believe that there are better times ahead for the relationships between the United States and the allies trump pushed to the curb.

 

hanimmal

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Djeezes what a load of ideological Simple Simon nonsense.... I'm done with this and you buddy, have a good life collecting all the horseshit they shove at you!
Welcome to the internet.

Remember you always have a ignore button if you think you are being trolled.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-af8beed9fbeb4a84a425e695423a3e77
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden has directed his administration to order another 100 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine, growing a likely U.S. surplus of doses later this year while much of the rest of the world struggles with deep shortages.

Even before Wednesday’s order, the U.S. was to have enough approved vaccine delivered by mid-May to cover every adult and enough for 400 million people total by the end of July. Enough doses to cover 200 million more people are on order should vaccines from AstraZeneca and Novavax receive approval from the Food and Drug Administration. The new J&J doses, which would cover another 100 million people, are expected to be delivered in the latter half of the year.

White House aides said Biden’s first priority is ensuring that Americans are vaccinated before considering distributing doses elsewhere.

“We want to be oversupplied and overprepared,” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Wednesday, saying Biden wanted contingencies in the event of any unforeseen issues with the existing production timeline.

“We still don’t know which vaccine will be most effective on kids,” she added. “We still don’t know the impact of variants or the need for booster shots. And these doses can be used for booster shots as well as needed. Obviously that’s still being studied by the FDA but again we want to be over-prepared as I noted earlier.”

Biden’s announcement comes as the White House has rebuffed requests from U.S. allies, including Mexico, Canada and the European Union, for vaccine doses produced in the United States, where months of production runs have produced vaccine solely for use in the country.

Meanwhile, Russia and China, whose leaders don’t face voters in free and fair elections, have used their domestically produced shots for strategic leverage.

China has pledged roughly half a billion doses of its vaccines to more than 45 countries, according to a country-by-country tally by The Associated Press. Four of China’s many vaccine makers are claiming they will be able to produce at least 2.6 billion doses this year.

Russia has sent millions of doses of its Sputnik V vaccine to countries around the world, even as it vaccinates its own population. Analysts say a goal of this vaccine diplomacy is to bolster Russia’s image as a scientific, technological and benevolent power, especially as other countries encounter shortages of COVID-19 vaccines because richer nations are scooping up the Western-made versions.

Israel, which has vaccinated more than half of its population with Pfizer vaccines produced in Europe, has also attempted to use vaccine diplomacy to reward allies.

Biden did move to have the U.S. contribute financially to the United Nations and World Health Organization-backed COVAX alliance, which will help share vaccine with more than 90 countries with lower and middle-income nations, but it has yet to commit to sharing any doses.

Biden’s purchasing strategy has come under criticism from nongovernmental organizations who have encouraged the White House to develop clear plans and thresholds for sharing vaccine with the world.

“The only way to defeat this virus for good is to defeat it everywhere — and that requires an immediate plan for sharing excess vaccine doses globally,” said Sarah Swinehart, senior director for communications at The ONE Campaign.

Asked about the surplus Wednesday, Biden told reporters that “if we have a surplus, we’re going to share it with the rest of the world.”

“This is not something that can be stopped by a fence no matter how high you build a fence or a wall. So we’re not going to be ultimately safe until the world is safe,” acknowledged Biden. “So, we’re going to start off making sure Americans are taken care of first, but we’re then going to try to help the rest of the world.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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America is the most hard hit country with the highest number of deaths by far, this alone should set the priority. Here in NS we are lagging behind on vaccine supplies, but only have a handful of active cases, the nursing homes and medical people have been vaccinated and we are going down the age groups for now. At 66 hope to be vaccinated in April as supplies increase, but thus far Canada is far behind the USA in terms of vaccination rates and NS where I live is near the bottom of the pack, but we also have a very low infection rate.

The purpose is to save lives and it should be deployed in such away as to try and save the most, protect the elderly and vulnerable and hospital admissions and deaths plunge as the pandemic roars on.
 
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