SmichiganOG
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Don't remember disagreeing with you but otay. Hoping sanity returns to politics myself. How my quote was out of context I have no idea.
Weed in Canada has ZERO value
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ComputerSaysNo
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Has it ever been sane?
Things are getting worse by the day, very much stoked by social networks and high-octane news cycles driven by Twitter and the like.
Now we're supposed to work against climate change under those circumstances. Things are looking really grim in my eyes...
CatHedral
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Working against climate change is very simple, but not easy.
Effective work against climate change does not require responsiveness on the scale if a news cycle.
ComputerSaysNo
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With regards to climate change, most people are living in cognitive dissonance ("bad conscience") -- we know that things are really bad, and that we're a big part of the problem, but we do not want to act accordingly.
That makes it very easy for naysayers and people with an agenda (big oil/coal/gas) to sabotage any public relations effort. I.e. if you tell people "it's not that bad, it's all fake news, etc." they're more than ready to believe you because it relieves their cognitive dissonance.
Also, the main driver here would be consuming less, a lot less, and that goes directly against the grain of market capitalism, which is founded on blatant consumerism, as well as "romantic consumerism" (e.g. you have to travel to foreign lands in a jet plane to be a truly complete person).
CatHedral
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Temporarily so. But these attitudes will erode in the face of reality.
What we do to slow and reverse climate change is dead easy. Stop burning fossil carbon.
The challenge is in establishing new energy distribution paradigms.
ComputerSaysNo
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One huge game changer would be to put a correct price on CO2 creation -- that would make air travel hugely more expensive, would make coal power completely unprofitable, would swiftly eliminate gas driven cars, and really clamp down on consumerism. Meat would have to be a lot more expensive, too.
The problem is that there's a tremendous political cost attached to that, and everybody in politics wants to get re-elected. The political system is also very corrupt, and the corruption money does not come from climate activists.
In the US, most representatives are now perpetually collecting money for their re-election during their term (they're forced to, it's really fucked up but who can blame them; it's The Game). That's not a good outlook for the political measures that would be necessary.
Of course you are right: the solution to the problem is quite easily formulated, but executing it on a global scale is extremely difficult.
The problem is that there's a tremendous political cost attached to that, and everybody in politics wants to get re-elected. The political system is also very corrupt, and the corruption money does not come from climate activists.
In the US, most representatives are now perpetually collecting money for their re-election during their term (they're forced to, it's really fucked up but who can blame them; it's The Game). That's not a good outlook for the political measures that would be necessary.
Of course you are right: the solution to the problem is quite easily formulated, but executing it on a global scale is extremely difficult.
OldMedUser
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It was out of context because you didn't read what the guy I replied to said that prompted me to reply as I did. Had you done that you would have seen that my reply was meant sarcastically.
Neither here nor there and already forgotten. Getting old has it's benefits.
CatHedral
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It does suck when entrenched interests flex power.
SmichiganOG
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I fully realized it was sarcastic and was agreeing with you though it may not have been clear. No problem.It was out of context because you didn't read what the guy I replied to said that prompted me to reply as I did. Had you done that you would have seen that my reply was meant sarcastically.
Neither here nor there and already forgotten. Getting old has it's benefits.
flawlesscrew
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It won’t be done. But if you rely on middle man your done. I think mass grows will be done. That can mean what ever you want it too. But if you can’t grow good shit for cheap your done. People say wait til the border opens. But do you think they waiting for their suppliers or they gonna go get it somewhere else? Supply to USA will be damaged. The true criminals that always had loyal customers won’t skip a beat. But the every day mom and pop guy shipping elsewhere will be at the mercy of their middle man. But the LPs will fold before black market does!
DancesWithWorms
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The demand is still there, retail prices are still fairly solid for quality flower. Definitely a buyers market wholesale so the retailers are making a mint at the moment with insane markups but it's not a death knell for the BM. It will bounce back, it always does.
Single zips of the true 'za are still $220-$300+ CAD online and move very quickly. Needs a lot of bag appeal though, guys growing ugly chems and afghani's are getting needled on price regardless of how potent the smoke is.
Will always be demand for the guys that really have their shit dialed in, those same consumers sure as hell aren't getting serviced by the legal market at the moment.
Expecting to see a lot of the growers go to a more vertically integrated model when you can start an online grey market dispensary for around $10k and sell direct.
Single zips of the true 'za are still $220-$300+ CAD online and move very quickly. Needs a lot of bag appeal though, guys growing ugly chems and afghani's are getting needled on price regardless of how potent the smoke is.
Will always be demand for the guys that really have their shit dialed in, those same consumers sure as hell aren't getting serviced by the legal market at the moment.
Expecting to see a lot of the growers go to a more vertically integrated model when you can start an online grey market dispensary for around $10k and sell direct.
Growbigbudgrow
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What is an online grey market dispensary?
DancesWithWorms
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Just any unlicensed website selling mail-order cannabis, some of the more established ones have been operating for over 20 years now.
OldMedUser
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chex1111
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I don't agree with your prices. You seem to be in some kind of bubble which is not connected to the rest of Canada.
2klude
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For MOM's, real high end, AAAA I can see some selling for $220 but thats on the high side for a zip from an online legacy despo. I'd say real nice stuff is going for $150-180ish a zip. From a friend or connect this type of weed would probably sell for $100 or less per zip.
I met a new broker he pays either $600 for low trips or $1200 for high trips... nothing else, no wiggle room or negotiation. At $1200, if you really know what you're doing, there plenty of profit margin there. Heck, even at $600, there a decent profit margin still. If your live in Canada and grow average bud, you probably won't be able to find a buyer. I saw a 20 pack of real nice Island Pink Kush go for for $1400, amazing looking bud, all tops, perfect cure, hand trimmed... the kids would call it a quad lol.
I'd say your average wholesale price for nice bud right now is hovering around the $600 dollar mark. This stuff would go for $1200 pre-pandemic and would move quickly.
I met a new broker he pays either $600 for low trips or $1200 for high trips... nothing else, no wiggle room or negotiation. At $1200, if you really know what you're doing, there plenty of profit margin there. Heck, even at $600, there a decent profit margin still. If your live in Canada and grow average bud, you probably won't be able to find a buyer. I saw a 20 pack of real nice Island Pink Kush go for for $1400, amazing looking bud, all tops, perfect cure, hand trimmed... the kids would call it a quad lol.
I'd say your average wholesale price for nice bud right now is hovering around the $600 dollar mark. This stuff would go for $1200 pre-pandemic and would move quickly.
ComputerSaysNo
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Assuming these are Canadian dollars. That means not even USD 3 per gram for high-quality weed. It boggles the mind.
What's the labour intensity to harvest 1g in a "small-scale" operation (let's say 200g/month)? Let's say you work 30 hours/month for 3 months, and then 10 additional hours for harvesting/bagging etc., that's 100 hours for 600g in my example, 6 g/work hour, so at the cited price you don't even make USD 15 per hour; it's probably even less because my estimates for material and labour cost are likely too low.
Instrinsic value of cannabis apparently not very high (OK, not surprising).
DancesWithWorms
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Space Sherpa, Luna and NTB have dropped ~$300+ ounces over at CM that sold out within days if not hours.
Tunaaaa was around that mark as well before they went legal.
These are all publicly posted prices as well, I have no reason to lie.