Weed in Canada has ZERO value

ComputerSaysNo said:

Can somebody explain "brick weed" to me? It's not "hash" I assume.

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Not hash. Weed usually from Mexico compressed into bricks for ease of transport. Usually quite seedy and sometimes containing assorted extras like bugs, bits of trash, etc.

Oh wow, never seen that. We used to get Moroccan, but it was always dark brown hash, never in weed form. Pretty terrible stuff.
When weed started to happen it was just straight flower, never seen anything in brick form. Wasn't from Morocco anymore, either, I think they've only ever exported hash (for easier smuggling).

ComputerSaysNo said:

Oh wow, never seen that. We used to get Moroccan, but it was always dark brown hash, never in weed form. Pretty terrible stuff.
When weed started to happen it was just straight flower, never seen anything in brick form. Wasn't from Morocco anymore, either, I think they've only ever exported hash (for easier smuggling).

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Watch the movie Cisco Pike...you'll learn a lot. Cisco runs across really good herb and the folks he sells it too realize it too.
I love the variety of 60's to 70's characters he sells too. Awe the memories. Great movie to describe early weed sales and brick weed.
As seen in the film sometimes the weed was good. Quite good actually. I remember getting brick weed that was quite tasty and a very good buzz. Then the next time it sucked huge. Way up here in Canada you took what was around as you had few choices.

I remember the one time the brick weed smelled like rubber. And tasted like it too. Obviously smuggled in in tires.
So my assumption was that even wrapped it could absorb that smell. It was probably wrapped as it was compressed weed for sure. So I'd bet as a brick. I dunno. Anyway it was brutal.

ComputerSaysNo said:

Can somebody explain "brick weed" to me? It's not "hash" I assume.

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Mexican marijuana that's been compressed into bricks in order to sneak out of the country

My only guess why the Mexicans did that instead of just making hash is reduced labour.

There is this VICE documentary (I think?) where you can see how they make hash in Morocco. There are the plantations and then labourers keep drumming the weed bushels for hours on end with wooden sticks, on top of a sieve. Then gets pressed into hash.

Mexicans were probably too lazy to do the drumming, so they skipped that part

Still, the Moroccan hash that I know was pretty bad. Also sometimes you would simply get sold a piece of plastic, wasn't exactly easy to distinguish... I've never bought anything off the streets back then anyway; that was in the late 90s. Weed was quite difficult to find, sometimes somebody would bring something from NL, or found a contact who had some. At some point a few years later suddenly weed was everywhere, and nowadays nobody is smoking hash anymore. Moroccan smuggling must have gone way downhill.

ComputerSaysNo said:

My only guess why the Mexicans did that instead of just making hash is reduced labour.

There is this VICE documentary (I think?) where you can see how they make hash in Morocco. There are the plantations and then labourers keep drumming the weed bushels for hours on end with wooden sticks, on top of a sieve. Then gets pressed into hash.

Mexicans were probably too lazy to do the drumming, so they skipped that part

Still, the Moroccan hash that I know was pretty bad. Also sometimes you would simply get sold a piece of plastic, wasn't exactly easy to distinguish... I've never bought anything off the streets back then anyway; that was in the late 90s. Weed was quite difficult to find, sometimes somebody would bring something from NL, or found a contact who had some. At some point a few years later suddenly weed was everywhere, and nowadays nobody is smoking hash anymore. Moroccan smuggling must have gone way downhill.

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I wouldnt imagine mexican bagweed making good hash. It has a fairly low THC profile. You need a stout pure indica to make stuff with quality like Moroccan. I did it with Ace Seeds Bubba Hash. They way it works in Mexico is the impoverished farmers in the South would grow it and after its bundled the cartels would buy it up and start moving it north. Its not a complete criminal enterprise like cocaine or meth production. More like dirt poor farmers trying to survive another year

RobCat said:

You need a stout pure indica to make stuff with quality like Moroccan.

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What we had back then was from Morocco. But it was not of good quality...
I don't even want to know what you could have charged for weed as strong as we have today. Probably $30/g easily.
But there was none. Too inconvenient to smuggle.

Morocco has a traditional has culture, Mexico does not. Hash has always been popular in Europe, more so than flower, although that is changing a bit from place to place. All my friends in Europe used to smoke hash/tobacco joints. Hash has never been as popular in the USA as it is in Europe, so Mexico simply followed the market demands. Brick weed in the 80s and early 90s was variable, but could be incredible-a lot of it was still made using traditional landrace plants. Then the cartels began distributing hybrid seeds hoping for better potency to compete with American homegrown weed and it ended up wiping most of the lovely Mexican landraces off the map. Soon after, they ditched a lot of their Mexican cannabis production, and simply started growing within the USA to avoid the greater border controls post 9/11-this was the heyday of cartels operating within US national forests. Brickweed is still around but it's more of a novelty item, it just isn't profitable to produce in Mexico and get it across the border. The cartels would rather move a kilo of heroin through a border tunnel than a kilo of brickweed.

ComputerSaysNo said:

What we had back then was from Morocco. But it was not of good quality...
I don't even want to know what you could have charged for weed as strong as we have today. Probably $30/g easily.
But there was none. Too inconvenient to smuggle.

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There was a lot of terrible "soapbar" hash floating around. Lebanese and Afghan always killed Moroccan hash in quality.

So Cookies finally landed in Canada yesterday on our legal market.

Just going on social media alone it looks like they moved a LOT of $60-$70 eighths, should definitely help to prop up the 'premium' end of the market for a while as the budget offerings continue their race down to the price floor.

Quality doesn't look any where near the other ultra premium offerings from producers like Qwest or Whistler though in the $60+ 3.5g range

So it seems weed in Canada still has some value!

Rurumo said:

All my friends in Europe used to smoke hash/tobacco joints. Hash has never been as popular in the USA as it is in Europe,

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It's not popular at all anymore in Europe. The only reason we smoked it back then was because there was not much weed on the market; would have taken decent weed over that garbage any day, paying double the price.
I haven't seen a piece of hash for ages. Sometimes you see rosin bricks, and maybe some excellent specialty hash like "Black Afghan".

Rurumo said:

they ditched a lot of their Mexican cannabis production, and simply started growing within the USA to avoid the greater border controls post 9/11

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It's much the same in Europe I guess. Domestic growing is the majority of the supply now. I've seen numbers from UK from 2006, where it was estimated to be 50% of the UK market. One can assume it is a lot more by now, and similar to UK in the rest of Europe.

Why risk smuggling from NL or North Africa and get busted, when you can simply grow in some basement with close to zero risk unless you get snitched on? All the while having full control over the genetics...

Rurumo said:

There was a lot of terrible "soapbar" hash floating around.

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That is the kind of stuff I was talking about. Looked and felt like a dark brown soap bar. Sometimes gave you headaches when smoked. Yuckity yuck.

ComputerSaysNo said:

I haven't seen a piece of hash for ages.

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~20g of dry sift from 16 varieties, mainly sativas, placed into a dabpress mold then left on the hot driveway for an hour or so. Then squeeze the press with your hands (not a clamp) and you've got hash.

In the late 80's hash was preferred by many, but not so much anymore.

Ozumoz66 said:

~20g of dry sift from 16 varieties, mainly sativas, placed into a dabpress mold then left on the hot driveway for an hour or so. Then squeeze the press with your hands (not a clamp) and you've got hash.

In the late 80's hash was preferred by many, but not so much anymore.

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Yeah I know what "hash" is .

What's on the photo is what we used to call "pollen". Obviously not pollen, but resin, I think the "pollen" misnomer came from the Dutch. That was available, quite expensive, we didn't really like it because it was so strong.

Looks beautiful though.

The Moroccon stuff was squeezed down to a brown clump, and probably not very clean either. Surely a lot of plant material and other rubbish in it.

I really like Rum's comment on the soapy stuff --

My friends actually called it Soapium, as the belief it was some form of watered down opium. Lol fuk that was hash? It sucked.

Hash or hash oil were rare in the 80s and 90s in my part of the US. They were very good, I heard Lebanese or Turkish many times, although theres no way to know.

It was our belief that most of it came in through NY somewhere (smuggled to NY port then into mainland).

The issue we had with hash, which looked at the time just like the pic in the post above, was it killed your lungs, fast. Like concentrates today can do in high enough quantity.

Brick bud was all we had access to for a long time.

For a while I was in Florida.
In Florida, some awesome crazy sxxx happened. They began growing locally, and IDK who did it but they began growing stuff that was true crush your skull quality. Made Hawaiian look gentle. Called the Krippy or some variation, it was some form of Afghani and it was one hit wonder.

It is not around anymore. The strain named Crippy ain't it. Triangle kush sure isnt it. It was lost like many incredible strains.

When Bush 1 cracked down (after Reagan, whose wife gifted us "Just Say No"), he inadvertently destroyed the import market and caused the great local grows to begin. As mentioned the cartel moved into national forests, and at the same time, the daring folks who had already been growing outdoor began stealing street lights and started to grow indoors.

As we discussed a few times, from my perspective, what has been lost is a true judgement of quality of buzz, vs taste and appearance.

We never knew what kind we had, but we judged the fxxx out of it and knew what was good and what wasn't.

So little discussion about actual buzzes
Sure they are subjective but

Euphoria
Energy
Couch lock
Talkative
Hungry
Racy
Wavy
Brain fog
Long lasting
Fast acting

Used to be what we discussed, not if it looks pretty.

I like the pretty bud, but hate that all the discussion about quality has moved from what it does to how it looks and tastes.

And how high the thc is. It is so not the measure of quality...

Ozumoz66 said:

~20g of dry sift from 16 varieties, mainly sativas, placed into a dabpress mold then left on the hot driveway for an hour or so. Then squeeze the press with your hands (not a clamp) and you've got hash.

In the late 80's hash was preferred by many, but not so much anymore.

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Can you comment on or point me to how you make dry sift? That is some killer looking stuff.

How does making dry sift compare to bubble hash?

ComfortCreator said:

Can you comment on or point me to how you make dry sift? That is some killer looking stuff.

How does making dry sift compare to bubble hash?

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Not the person you asked but it's just made using dried (sometimes frozen) flower/trim on screens, often stacked screens with different micron sizes for the mesh, you just bounce/shake the material on the screen and the trichome heads will break off and fall through the screen layers below.

Similar to making bubble hash in a lot of ways, you're just using screens instead of micron bags and using manual agitation rather than letting water/ice/dry-ice do the work.

Since you're using dried material and more aggressive agitation there will be more contaminants in dry sift compared to bubble hash.

ComfortCreator said:

the daring folks who had already been growing outdoor began stealing street lights

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No way. Did this actually happen or is that rhetoric now?

ComfortCreator said:

Sure they are subjective but
Euphoria, Energy, ...
Used to be what we discussed, not if it looks pretty.

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A lot of breeders qualify their seeds that way nowadays, don't they?

ComfortCreator said:

And how high the thc is. It is so not the measure of quality...

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Numbers are always the cheap cop-out for lack of creativity or laziness in marketing. To be fair, it often works.

I have worked with computers for three decades and it has always been the running joke in our business how inadequate the citing of numbers is when trying to market computers or software; GHz, Terabytes, RPMs, etc., in so many cases it's completely meaningless.

ComfortCreator said:

Can you comment on or point me to how you make dry sift? That is some killer looking stuff.

How does making dry sift compare to bubble hash?

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Dry sift (kief) is gathered by tumbling dry plant matter in a variable speed, rotating drum with a 150 micron mesh. I use one made by Tom's Tumbler, which can hold about 3-5lbs of ground up buds. Yields vary (10 to 23%) but late harvest popcorn buds have the highest yield (by weight) due to surface area available for trichomes to grow on.

Bubble hash uses water and ice to remove the trichomes. One must agitate the mixture for a duration for the trichomes to break free from the plant matter. Multiple sizes of mesh bags can used to get different grades of extraction. This method is much more labour intensive than dry sift extraction.

The kief can easily be decarbed and stuffed into capsule for a powerful sugar free gummy alternative.

This is a larger unit than what I have. I run mine for about 3hrs at a slow speed and collect trichomes throughout the run for various grades of kief. The first unit I made was powered by a BBQ rotisserie motor and took about 30hrs for one run.

Ozumoz66 said:

This is a larger unit than what I have. I run mine for about 3hrs at a slow speed and collect trichomes throughout the run for various grades of kief. The first unit I made was powered by a BBQ rotisserie motor and took about 30hrs for one run.

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What's the CO2 for that is on that picture?