water plants with boiling water before harvest ????

RM3 said:

I merely wanted you to read the smoke reports and see the fade pics

I'm not a chemist, I'm an electronics tech, I admit I do not fully understand everything about it, but I do know it works

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you severely contradict yourself. I appreciate your efforts, but that is hardly a ringing endorsement for even considering any of this factual and not anecdotal.

I have provided some basic chemistry terms. I urge you to follow up with them and keep developing your theory. Learn about all enzymatic processes, that is the key to chemistry imho.

If you start to grasp some of these concepts especially Redox reactions, can't emphasize that enough REDOX REACTIONS, they are the whole signalling process of fermentation. As the level of oxygen drops as it being used up as an electron acceptor in an anaerobic environment, the level of oxygen drop is directly attributed to uptake of oxygen as an electron acceptor in minerals, such as N, Mag, K, P, Su, etc. etc.
This is will tell you everything you need to know if you can monitor it. I recommend buying a meter and trying to correlate your findings with meter read-outs. This would really give you a baseline to make your claims.

Just my $.02

jcdws602 said:

Yes but what does terpenes have to do with potency??

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jcdws602 said:

Yes but what does terpenes have to do with potency??

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a higher % is considered "higher potency" I guess. Although it doesn't really take into account the overall effect from at least 60 other cannibinoids [oil bearing structures aka Carbon and Hydrogen] in cannabis. Thc being the main one.
Terpenes are potency, effectively.

Abiqua said:

you severely contradict yourself. I appreciate your efforts, but that is hardly a ringing endorsement for even considering any of this factual and not anecdotal.

I have provided some basic chemistry terms. I urge you to follow up with them and keep developing your theory. Learn about all enzymatic processes, that is the key to chemistry imho.

If you start to grasp some of these concepts especially Redox reactions, can't emphasize that enough REDOX REACTIONS, they are the whole signalling process of fermentation. As the level of oxygen drops as it being used up as an electron acceptor in an anaerobic environment, the level of oxygen drop is directly attributed to uptake of oxygen as an electron acceptor in minerals, such as N, Mag, K, P, Su, etc. etc.
This is will tell you everything you need to know if you can monitor it. I recommend buying a meter and trying to correlate your findings with meter read-outs. This would really give you a baseline to make your claims.

Just my $.02

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I do try to not mention my site while I'm here, but I have a member that is a chemist and could have this convo with you and he boils his plants and agrees with me

I'm not tryin to be combative or contradicting, once I saw it work, I stopped reading. It works, I truly grow some very potent weed my friend and just because I can't describe all of the chemical processes or test em with a meter does not mean I'm wrong

I just skimmed thru some articles about how terpenes can influence the synergy effect of cannabis.Pretty interesting.

Didn't say you were wrong......touchy much.....I am just interested in YOUR theory of how it works.
I just am not convinced, that is not a connotation of disbelief.

I am challenging you to convince me further, with established guidelines, aka chemistry. That's all, shit, I thought I was dropping pointers.

I could say that I have some fancy pants degree too, but isn't it better that I actually put my argument into a frame of reference dealing with the actual circumstances and not just conjecturing hearsay?

Of course it doesn't make you wrong, but at the same time, how would you know your "right" without established protocol guiding you?

RM3 said:

In fact I started doin it after I learned about the flooding thing because the flooding thing takes to long and has the potential to mold

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I didnt get any mold issues with drowning seeing how i use covered flood tables for humidity control but i am gonna read the link ,just as soon as i get done stuffing my fat ass with my wifes home made Baklava that just got done ,she rarely cooks or bakes due to her failing health so its a big deal when i get her traditional Lebanese baked goods .

Abiqua said:

Didn't say you were wrong......touchy much.....I am just interested in YOUR theory of how it works.
I just am not convince, that is not a connotation of disbelief.

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Sorry, I have compound PTSD, why I grow and smoke in the first place, I don't mean to be touchy, I never thought of it as a theory. I have been doin it for years, my reading/research was years ago. I was honest that I can't have a detail conversation about all the various pathways and such as it is not my field of study. I read stuff, I tried it, it works

please boil one and let me know what ya think

Abiqua said:

Didn't say you were wrong......touchy much.....I am just interested in YOUR theory of how it works.
I just am not convinced, that is not a connotation of disbelief.

I am challenging you to convince me further, with established guidelines, aka chemistry. That's all, shit, I thought I was dropping pointers.

I could say that I have some fancy pants degree too, but isn't it better that I actually put my argument into a frame of reference dealing with the actual circumstances and not just conjecturing hearsay?

Of course it doesn't make you wrong, but at the same time, how would you know your "right" without established protocol guiding you?

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and I thank you for the pointers !!! I will actually follow them, but will be after Christmas
I do like to read and learn, and to be honest once again I am driven by results not protocol, I need the potency that I grow I hate my PTSD and the night terrors, I have not had em for a long while since I started boiling, for me that was enough. But I do understand a desire to know why it works and I will look into it more. I respect that you know what your talkin about

Abiqua said:

Didn't say you were wrong......touchy much.....I am just interested in YOUR theory of how it works.
I just am not convinced, that is not a connotation of disbelief.

I am challenging you to convince me further, with established guidelines, aka chemistry. That's all, shit, I thought I was dropping pointers.

I could say that I have some fancy pants degree too, but isn't it better that I actually put my argument into a frame of reference dealing with the actual circumstances and not just conjecturing hearsay?

Of course it doesn't make you wrong, but at the same time, how would you know your "right" without established protocol guiding you?

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so, i am a boiler, i see it work and will always do it,I googled redox reactions, and like riddle, chemistry isn't my field, but I kinda grasp what is going on. ANYWAY you can dumb it down for us?

RM3 said:

Sorry, I have compound PTSD, why I grow and smoke in the first place, I don't mean to be touchy, I never thought of it as a theory. I have been doin it for years, my reading/research was years ago. I was honest that I can't have a detail conversation about all the various pathways and such as it is not my field of study. I read stuff, I tried it, it works

please boil one and let me know what ya think

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I have actually about 15 years ago just getting out of high school. A big stinking mess of multiple tries.

The reason I push to expound your theory based on chemistry is simple. It helps other understand you. Established protocol not only allows you to design an experiment, but for others to also follow along with data. Not just because you said it worked and haven't or aren't allowing for other factors in the process [at least in this particular thread]

[For instance, what if your whole theory is correct but is based ONLY on the ability of some faculative [can survive aerobic/anaerobic environments both] bacteria or fungus in the fermentation process, but could only be seen by a nucleotide analysis [DNA]]

I can't see a reason for trying it again really, even after a long hiatus. If there was some chemistry to back it up, I would probably be willing to experiment more.

I guess that's my whole beef, no analysis to even know if you are correct or not, that's dangerous. Whether you are right or wrong..

I am also a two tour combat vet. One love.....

RM3 said:

and I thank you for the pointers !!! I will actually follow them, but will be after Christmas
I do like to read and learn, and to be honest once again I am driven by results not protocol, I need the potency that I grow I hate my PTSD and the night terrors, I have not had em for a long while since I started boiling, for me that was enough. But I do understand a desire to know why it works and I will look into it more. I respect that you know what your talkin about

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protocol produces repeatable results that can be analyzed....They are not a short cut! You don't just get to make up your own chemistry, protocol is chemistry is similar to protocol in math, even more honest, probably, almost like music. Not a lot of what if's, just how a reaction is produced and responds.

chuck estevez said:

so, i am a boiler, i see it work and will always do it,I googled redox reactions, and like riddle, chemistry isn't my field, but I kinda grasp what is going on. ANYWAY you can dumb it down for us?

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REDOX REACTIONS, they are the whole signalling process of fermentation. As the level of oxygen drops as it being used up as an electron acceptor in an anaerobic environment, the level of oxygen drop is directly attributed to uptake of oxygen as an electron acceptor in minerals, such as N, Mag, K, P, Su, etc. etc.

Good debate/conversation ,,,, Thank You @Abiqua

One Love

@RM3

I apologize for the touchy remark, even though it is far less abrasive than some of the chatter on here, I do regret that exact statement.

I realize that after you put hard work into something and produce results, it is tough to respond to criticism, but for me personally I am fascinated by chemistry and all processes revolve around chemistry plain and simple.

It is like speaking another language of sorts. Unfortunately, I tend to analyze processes, like these, thru the lense of chemistry, because how else do you understand all these things going on?

I have been making home made DIY fertilizer from fermented Stinging nettle. Going on 4 years now.....I absolutely had to learn chemistry to understand the process.....I probably have run close to 2000 batches of sealed fermented plant extracts in this time.....

part of the reason I post this, is because you are more likely to encounter lactic acid fermentation 1st before you experience alcoholic fermentation. [Again, based on redox, as the level of oxygen is further reduced by electron donor uptake, Co2 is the last "nutrient" to be reduced of its O2 as it nearly needs a completely Oxygen free environment both atmospheric and elemental, which is rare in cases. ]

BxHaZe87 said:

RM3 will be in here soon i have a feeling.

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my thoughts exactly

hellmutt bones said:

Well i can tell by ur no flush theory that u would b the kind of noob to boil the shitt outa ur weed! And do the kryptonite with ur nuts faceing south wille naked!

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Well look at the page we're on and read the title lmao plus like I say I'm open minded!

jcdws602 said:

Yes but what does terpenes have to do with potency??

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RM3 said:

try eating a mango an hour before you smoke

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I have just read this thread and enjoyed the read...cheers


I do have 1 question though... what does happen when you eat a mango an hour before you smoke?

WazzaX said:

I have just read this thread and enjoyed the read...cheers


I do have 1 question though... what does happen when you eat a mango an hour before you smoke?

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Mango is full of the terpene myrcene which is also found in some MJ plants, eating a mango enhances the high, for some it adds trippy

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part of the reason I post this, is because you are more likely to encounter lactic acid fermentation 1st before you experience alcoholic fermentation. [Again, based on redox, as the level of oxygen is further reduced by electron donor uptake, Co2 is the last "nutrient" to be reduced of its O2 as it nearly needs a completely Oxygen free environment both atmospheric and elemental, which is rare in cases. ]

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This was what I posted after doin the research back in 2010 ,,,,

https://www.rollitup.org/t/calling-all-noob-growers.316301/page-14#post-4274056