Water Cooled Grow Rooms

phillipchristian

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I wanted to start a thread on water cooled grow rooms. From cooling a tent to a large commercial grow. I've been doing it for a long time and I wanted to share my knowledge and experience with anyone who had questions. I know it's not for everyone and every climate but I am glad to help those out that are interested.
 

phillipchristian

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Water Cooling

Water cooling is a relatively new technology in the grow room. Essentially the idea is that by chilling water to low temperatures (45-60 degrees F) you are then able to pass this water through the equipment in your grow room which generates heat. The water will then absorb the heat by passing the hot air through a coil system inside of the equipment or on a separate piece of equipment which is mounted on the air exhaust for that machine. Therefore the air being blown out by that piece of equipment will no longer be hot. Water is a very efficient, all natural, heat absorber. Water has the ability to absorb heat with very little change to its own temperature. Water is also able to retain heat better than most substances. These factors are commonly called a substances heat capacity. On the contrary, air has a very low heat capacity. Think of it this way. Let’s say it’s 40 degrees F outside. How long could you walk around with no clothes on before your body started to suffer hypothermia or other debilitating effects? Now jump in a lake that is 40 degrees and see how much quicker you start to suffer. That is why using a chiller is always more efficient (both in energy consumption and cooling output) than using air conditioners. Plus with chillers you never have to worry about Freon and they also are much easier to use in multiple room setups whereas with an A/C you would either have to buy 2 separate units or have dual climates and dampers installed into a condenser unit.

All of that being said it should be pointed out that water cooling is not the most cost effective route for MANY growers. If you are a small scale grow or a beginner then the initial costs of an effective water cooled system may not be worth it. If you are growing in a climate where it is relatively cool or cold for most of the year then it may not be necessary to invest in a water cooled system. The ideal candidate for a water cooled system is a 100% closed environment grower who has multiple heating issues within your space; whether it is your ambient temperature, nutrient reservoir, etc… This is not to say that these systems do not have benefits for all growers. Water cooled systems can alleviate the need for A/C units, inline fans, ducting, reservoir chillers, etc…

Chillers

Chillers are the essential elements of any water cooled grow room setup. The chiller is used to cool the water that is passing through the equipment in your grow room; be it your lights, a Co2 burner, air handlers, dehumidifier, etc… Chillers come in a range of sizes and functionalities. They range in size from .1hp (1,200btu) all the way up to 20hp (240,000btu). Chillers are rated the same way that air conditions are; in btu’s with 12,000btu being 1 ton. Some of the popular chiller brands are Ecoplus, Chillking, and Active Aqua. The smaller chillers (2hp and less) usually require you to purchase a pump(s) and reservoir separately. The pump is then fed water from the bottom of the reservoir and pushes this water to the chiller which it in turn chills the water and discharges it back into the reservoir. Depending on the quality of pump you have you may then use the same pump (if it has a high enough rating and multiple ports) or another pump to push water from the reservoir to the equipment you are cooling in your room. The larger chiller systems (3hp +) will usually have built in pumps and reservoirs.

There are a bunch of useful formulas to calculate how to size the chiller for your garden. In my experience none of them work because there are just too many factors involved. You have to factor in the ambient temperature outside, number of lights; how you will be cooling the lights; what other equipment you are using that is being water cooled and equipment not being water cooled; etc… The ideal situation would be for you to water cool all equipment which emits heat that is inside of your room. A lot of growers (myself included) who are looking into water cooling for the first time do not take the full plunge. My first experience with it was a small 2hp chiller which I used to cool 4 1000w hoods and a Co2 generator. Since then I have moved onward and upward to larger scale operations with 10hp chillers in which all our equipment is water cooled. There are some general calculations you can make though. Starting with your room; assuming that you just wanted to cool a space that had no equipment in it and that your ceiling were 8-9’, that the outside temp never got over 100 degrees and that the room was well insulated. Assuming all of this you would use approximately 4,000btu to cool every 100sq.ft. of space. Basically the same way you would size an A/C. So a space of 300sq.ft would need a 1 ton (12,000btu) chiller in order to cool the air (I will talk later about how you do this). Now for the equipment; you can generally use these calculations for some of the common things you will find in a grow room. Remember; these are just general calculations designed to get you started in the right direction.

  • Per 100sq.ft. of Space 4,000btu
  • 1000w HID Bulb 4,000btu
  • 1000w Magnetic Ballast 3,500btu
  • 1000w Digital Ballast 2,500btu
  • 600w HID Bulb 2,400btu
  • 600w Magnetic Ballast 2,100btu
  • 600w Digital Ballast 1,500btu
  • Co2 Generator 2.5btu Per Cubic Foot
  • Dehumidifier 30btu Per Daily Pint Rating
Using these calculations will get you started in the right direction when sizing your chiller. My recommendation is always to oversize your chiller should you decide to expand your operation or just to err on the side of caution should your room be warmer than expected.

Equipment

You can us a chiller to cool almost anything in your garden that produces heat; and even some things that don’t. Here I will talk about all of the options on the market now.


  • Ambient Cooling – There are several different ways to cool the ambient temperature of your room using a chiller system.
    • Air handlers can be paired with a chiller to cool your room just like you would use one with a compressor. Air handlers are normally for larger rooms and range in size from 2ton to 5ton.
    • Heat exchangers can be used as spot A/C units (normally they are uses to cool the exhaust of a hood) and if paired with the right chiller and reservoir temp can provide up to 8,500btu of cooling. They come in both 6” & 8”. A heat exchanger has to be paired with an inline fan. They are essentially mini condensers in which cold water is passed through one side of the heat exchanger an fed into a disbursement coil system through which the air from the fan is pushed. Then the water is pushed out of the other side of the heat exchanger by the incoming water. You can also purchase air diffusers for these units which spread the air throughout the canopy or base of the plants.
  • Hoods & Lighting – Water cooling has several different designs and methods of cooling the heat created by you HID bulbs and hoods.
    • Water cooled light fixtures are essentially tubes of glass which are hollow in the middle. Your bulb is placed inside the hollow section and cold water is pumped through the surrounding tube. They are designed to remove the heat generated by your bulb before it goes into your garden. Two of the popular designs on the market are the Fresca Sol and Liquid Lumens.
    • Heat exchangers can be used to cool the air as it is exiting your hood. They are placed over the exhaust port on your hood and using an inline fan the hot air inside of your hood is then pulled through the heat exchanger which in turn cools this air before exhausting it. From my own experience they are very effective. I have been able to place my face on the glass of a hood using a heat exchanger with a 1000w MH or HPS bulb. They are rated to cool the exhaust heat of a 1000w bulb to ambient room temperature. Two of the popular brands are the Hydro Innovations Ice Box and the generic Ice Flow.
    • Air handlers can also be used to exhaust the hot air from your hoods. Recently we have been ducting our hoods to the return manifold of our air handler. This is by far the most efficient way to use an air handler in a grow room. It also alleviates the need for purchasing numerous inline fans.
  • Dehumidifiers – There are now water cooled dehumidifiers on the market. Essentially a coil has been placed through the dehumidifier which cools the hot air the unit exhausts. When paired with the right chiller and reservoir temperature I have actually seen a 50 pint dehumidifier turned into a 1,200btu air conditioner.
  • Co2 Generators – There are a few water cooled Co2 generators available on the market. Of the ones that I have seen all have been liquid propane or natural gas burning. The water is pumped through a coil inside of the generator and used to cool the exhaust air to ambient room temperature.
  • Ballasts – There are ballast tubes available which allow you to place you ballast inside of a round enclosure. Cold air is them pumped through the enclosure from one end and exhausted out the other end. They come in both 6” & 8”. These are only really necessary if you have to keep your ballast in the grow room. All electronics function more efficiently and will last longer if allowed to operate at cooler temperatures.
  • Nutrient Reservoir – By pumping cold water through a coil you can control the temperature of your nutrient reservoir. If you either purchase a resistat and gate valve or just control the pressure of cold water coming in with a simple t-ball valve. You’ll have to play with it a little to get it dialed in.
I decided to share this information as using water cooled technology has made my growing extremely automated and alleviated all of my cooling problems in a climate where it is 90+ degrees every day.

Feel free to share comments or ask questions.
 

Fnominon

Active Member
Thank you for taking your time to write up such a great post. I have in the past run an entirely water cooled operation at a previous location that did not meter the water. I would run the water to waste and found that I could keep 3k in lights and reservoirs cooled nicely with this setup. Now days I am in a location that meters water and my last water bill was $1200 before I went to AC. Do you believe that running a chiller on a recirculating system is more efficient than a mini-split AC? I am currently running about 5,200 watts in lights with the ballast located outside my grow room and will need a new cooling system by this spring. I was also wondering how much heat those chillers throw off when they are running around the clock and how much noise?
 

woodsmaneh!

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Nice post, I started using chillers about a year ago and have stopped using my AC. Someting real important about chillers is they are more efficent than AC at cooling. I have a 1 hp and I cool two res. and my room with 8 1000w. I hooked up a car rad to see how it worked and I sent it out to get hose fitting sodered on to make it permenent. I put an 8" fan to blow through the rad to cool the room, super soloution for sealed rooms. I have an extra chiller now so going to AC the house with another car rad, just going to put it where the filter goes and drill 2 holes for the 1" tubes.[h=2]Why is a chiller more efficient than an air conditioner?[/h]
The primary reason for the superior efficiency of a chiller over an air conditioner despite their use of the same internal components is that the thermal conductivity of water is 23 times greater than that of air. What that means is a chiller will exchange the heat in a given space much more quickly than an air conditioner, allowing it to run less to get the same results. This is where you save electricity.With an air conditioner, air is passed over the evaporator instead of water. Since the air is less conductive, the evaporator can’t draw out as much heat as it can with water. The chiller evaporator is significantly smaller than an air evaporator because of the increased thermal load of water. In nearly all cases the evaporator in a chiller will be significantly more efficient than that of an air conditioner, again allowing it to run less to get the same amount of cooling.Outdoor chillers used in conjunction with indoor water-cooled air handlers can supply traditional style air conditioning - the difference is that there is water passed between them instead of refrigerant. This type of set-up can be installed by anyone as no refrigeration license would need to be installed. Water lines can run hundreds of feet to a water-cooled evaporator. A/C ducting cannot run for significant lengths as the airflow decreases dramatically with distance. Water is currently used in most large public buildings for heating and cooling, both due to its superior efficiency and because it affords the ability to use one cooling unit for a very large area, whereas several air conditioning units would be required due to the distance constraints involved with ducting.
 

phillipchristian

New Member
nice, i got 3 1k HPS, i guess a freezer has no chance of cooling them?
I am assuming that you are talking about using the coils from a freezer as your cooling mechanism and using the freezer space as you reservoir. I guess it would depend on the size of the freezer and the temperature you would be able to maintain the water in the freezer. Also, refridgerator and freezer cooling element are not designed to run continously. They would probably burn out rather quickly. Also, like it says above, if you try to use the cold air inside of a freezer to cool the water then you will be disappointed. Air is very inefficient as a cooling element and would not serve to help you cool water fast enough to be worth it if you were using a freezer as you reservoir. You make a modification to your freezer's cooling element and replace it with one you purchase from a plumbing supply store or a HVAC distibutor.
 

phillipchristian

New Member
Nice post, I started using chillers about a year ago and have stopped using my AC. Someting real important about chillers is they are more efficent than AC at cooling. I have a 1 hp and I cool two res. and my room with 8 1000w. I hooked up a car rad to see how it worked and I sent it out to get hose fitting sodered on to make it permenent. I put an 8" fan to blow through the rad to cool the room, super soloution for sealed rooms. I have an extra chiller now so going to AC the house with another car rad, just going to put it where the filter goes and drill 2 holes for the 1" tubes.
Wow. That's really cool. I never thought of that. That's a lot cheaper then buying an air handler. Nice!! Let me know how the new build works out. Do you ever have any issues with condensation on your lines? I am able to control it inside of my room because we can adjust our temperature and humidity to make the dew point lower in our room. Might be a problem running it into the house. I thought about using a chiller and airhandler in my house too but because of the humidity here it wouldn't work out. Keep me posted.
 

phillipchristian

New Member
Thank you for taking your time to write up such a great post. I have in the past run an entirely water cooled operation at a previous location that did not meter the water. I would run the water to waste and found that I could keep 3k in lights and reservoirs cooled nicely with this setup. Now days I am in a location that meters water and my last water bill was $1200 before I went to AC. Do you believe that running a chiller on a recirculating system is more efficient than a mini-split AC? I am currently running about 5,200 watts in lights with the ballast located outside my grow room and will need a new cooling system by this spring. I was also wondering how much heat those chillers throw off when they are running around the clock and how much noise?
Hey man, my pleasure. Just wanted to share and contribute to RIU. I have gotten so much info from this site I wanted to give back.

Chillers are definitely more efficient than A/C units. As far as energy consumption goes I believe chillers use 7-9% less energy to cool the same area as an A/C. The chillers that I work with are actually quieter than a condensor for a minisplit system and they don't throw off as much heat. They are just like A/C units in that once your reservoir reaches it's set temperature the condensor will shut down. So if your chiller is sized correctly it is not running all of the time. Maybe 60% of the time max. With a 5200w system you have numerous options when using water cooled systems and could probably get away without having to purchase a water cooled air handler depending on you location. If you need help figuring things out or a contact to get your supplies at a nice discount let me know. Glad to help you figure it out.
 

phillipchristian

New Member
Nice post, I started using chillers about a year ago and have stopped using my AC. Someting real important about chillers is they are more efficent than AC at cooling. I have a 1 hp and I cool two res. and my room with 8 1000w. I hooked up a car rad to see how it worked and I sent it out to get hose fitting sodered on to make it permenent. I put an 8" fan to blow through the rad to cool the room, super soloution for sealed rooms. I have an extra chiller now so going to AC the house with another car rad, just going to put it where the filter goes and drill 2 holes for the 1" tubes.Why is a chiller more efficient than an air conditioner?

The primary reason for the superior efficiency of a chiller over an air conditioner despite their use of the same internal components is that the thermal conductivity of water is 23 times greater than that of air. What that means is a chiller will exchange the heat in a given space much more quickly than an air conditioner, allowing it to run less to get the same results. This is where you save electricity.With an air conditioner, air is passed over the evaporator instead of water. Since the air is less conductive, the evaporator can’t draw out as much heat as it can with water. The chiller evaporator is significantly smaller than an air evaporator because of the increased thermal load of water. In nearly all cases the evaporator in a chiller will be significantly more efficient than that of an air conditioner, again allowing it to run less to get the same amount of cooling.Outdoor chillers used in conjunction with indoor water-cooled air handlers can supply traditional style air conditioning - the difference is that there is water passed between them instead of refrigerant. This type of set-up can be installed by anyone as no refrigeration license would need to be installed. Water lines can run hundreds of feet to a water-cooled evaporator. A/C ducting cannot run for significant lengths as the airflow decreases dramatically with distance. Water is currently used in most large public buildings for heating and cooling, both due to its superior efficiency and because it affords the ability to use one cooling unit for a very large area, whereas several air conditioning units would be required due to the distance constraints involved with ducting.
Thanks for adding that. Very good info.
 

woodsmaneh!

Well-Known Member
I run my humidity at 60 to 65% 24/7 and the odd time I get a little condensation but I have a lot of fans blowing, I also have a EDPM liner in the room (like a big swimming pool that's 18" deep) so I don't care if water drips on it. My fans in the winter drop a lot of water on the floor whrn temps get real cold 15 below, I don't have them insulated.

I have 405 gal in the room so a flood is real bad. Happened once with 90 gal. Never again.

My room eats up humidity, I have 2 x 25 gal humidifiers hooked to there own res of RO water and I put auto feed on both of them.
 

Bublonichronic

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I am assuming that you are talking about using the coils from a freezer as your cooling mechanism and using the freezer space as you reservoir. I guess it would depend on the size of the freezer and the temperature you would be able to maintain the water in the freezer. Also, refridgerator and freezer cooling element are not designed to run continously. They would probably burn out rather quickly. Also, like it says above, if you try to use the cold air inside of a freezer to cool the water then you will be disappointed. Air is very inefficient as a cooling element and would not serve to help you cool water fast enough to be worth it if you were using a freezer as you reservoir. You make a modification to your freezer's cooling element and replace it with one you purchase from a plumbing supply store or a HVAC distibutor.
if i wanted to make the modification to the freezers element, how much would that cost? and what would i need?
 

phillipchristian

New Member
I run my humidity at 60 to 65% 24/7 and the odd time I get a little condensation but I have a lot of fans blowing, I also have a EDPM liner in the room (like a big swimming pool that's 18" deep) so I don't care if water drips on it. My fans in the winter drop a lot of water on the floor whrn temps get real cold 15 below, I don't have them insulated.

I have 405 gal in the room so a flood is real bad. Happened once with 90 gal. Never again.

My room eats up humidity, I have 2 x 25 gal humidifiers hooked to there own res of RO water and I put auto feed on both of them.
Sweet setup man. That would suck if 405 gallons flooded. You'd need a canoe. :lol: I used to get a little condensation on my older system too; it's nothing to worry about. Now we have a system with 2 different reservoirs running at different temps. We keep the water for the air handlers at 45 degrees and the water for the feeder manifolds at 60 degrees. The air handler lines are fed tight into the back of them trough the wall so i get no condensation from them in my room.
 

phillipchristian

New Member
if i wanted to make the modification to the freezers element, how much would that cost? and what would i need?
I am not really sure. I have never done it. I started off by purchasing a 2hp chiller. I know it's not expensive (a lot cheaper than a 2hp chiller) but I really couldn't tell you what you would need. Try a search in DIY Chillers.
 

Bublonichronic

Well-Known Member
Nice post, I started using chillers about a year ago and have stopped using my AC. Someting real important about chillers is they are more efficent than AC at cooling. I have a 1 hp and I cool two res. and my room with 8 1000w. I hooked up a car rad to see how it worked and I sent it out to get hose fitting sodered on to make it permenent. I put an 8" fan to blow through the rad to cool the room, super soloution for sealed rooms. I have an extra chiller now so going to AC the house with another car rad, just going to put it where the filter goes and drill 2 holes for the 1" tubes.Why is a chiller more efficient than an air conditioner?
i thought hydro innovations claimed you needed atleast 1/4 hp per 1000w to cool efficently, seems like your using about half that... i would just get the chiller for 500$ if a 1/4 hp will cool my 3 lights, but figured i would need atleast 3/4 hp, maybe 1 hp
 

phillipchristian

New Member
i thought hydro innovations claimed you needed atleast 1/4 hp per 1000w to cool efficently, seems like your using about half that... i would just get the chiller for 500$ if a 1/4 hp will cool my 3 lights, but figured i would need atleast 3/4 hp, maybe 1 hp
I am positive a 1/4hp chiller won't cool your lights. You'd probably have to buy a 1hp chiller, pump, reservoir, tubing, etc..
 

Bublonichronic

Well-Known Member
thats actually what i modled mine after, only i got a 5cubic ft deep freezer capable of gettin down to -30F, ahha, dont work so well
 

jarvild

Well-Known Member
I run a water chiller a little differently. i burried my cooling coil 3' in the ground. 55 deg water out of coil year round. no need to mess with ice or fridge. Only problem is keeping humidity down.
 

Fnominon

Active Member
I am seriously entertaining the idea of setting up a recirculation cooling system again since I already have all the piping needed and probably an adequate reservoir. The only issue I have is the price on a chiller that would fit my needs for over 5k watts. I am also considering stepping up to a 8k system in the future so I should probably size appropriately. If I use the rule of a 1/4 hp for each 1k light then that would require a 2 hp chiller that would cost more than a mini-split sized appropriately. I can see if you use geothermal cooling that the efficiency would go up considerably, but if planning just to use the chiller for cooling is it really any more efficient than a mini-split? I understand all the other advantages over using water vs refrigerant, but if power bill and up front cost are all that matter I am still on the fence.
 
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