water bongs is harmless or not?

Bongs only filter out heavy ash... The smoke comes out in bubbles, its not like its getting completely diffused through the water.

Each of those bubbles is full of dirty, tar filled smoke just like pipes or joints.


I agree, vaporizers are the way to go....and hash

But a good bong hit is great once in a while, especially with Sativa strains.

heard mixed things about aerogardens. check out some aerogarden grows befor you invest.

i was lookin into hydroponics, mainly Bubbleponics, then my friend got ahold of a AG for free and gave it to me so i might as well give it a go, lookin into DWC as well, check out my signature, im not one of them new guys startin with out knowin what there doin you feel me, iv been on here a long time before i started to go hydro, before this i did a soil grow, all medical in Cali

yea man i checked it out... im just considering doing it i mean i already have a soil grow going and i just want an small easy hydro setup i mean i dont have a whole lotta space either.....
you can see what im working with https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/145541-just-closet-shelf-entrance-grow.html

well for sure if its free go for it no prob im not doubting your ability im just trying to give you a little heads up. i have a 6 port drip system that i threw an air stone in there to help with mixing and humidity, also threw in a heater so the water will stay at about 75-80 degrees. this whole setup not including my 400w hps with a mh convertion bulb cost me about 60$ it comes with enough rockwool and clay for 2 full grows. and you could get a 150w hps that would do alot better than the small lights in the aerogarden. i would use it for starting off clones but not for a whole grow.

GlassFreak said:

well for sure if its free go for it no prob im not doubting your ability im just trying to give you a little heads up. i have a 6 port drip system that i threw an air stone in there to help with mixing and humidity, also threw in a heater so the water will stay at about 75-80 degrees. this whole setup not including my 400w hps with a mh convertion bulb cost me about 60$ it comes with enough rockwool and clay for 2 full grows. and you could get a 150w hps that would do alot better than the small lights in the aerogarden. i would use it for starting off clones but not for a whole grow.

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haha i kno, i jus read what i wrote, lol didnt mean to make it sound like that, but yea im adding axtra CFL's for now, i jus wanna do a couple grows then start to upgrade to somthing better, and yea its great for clones, but so far not too bad for full grown plants either

potenza said:

hi guys;
water bongs is harmless?i am thinking about buying a mad scientist.whats ur opinions ?
thanks

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you wont regret it!!!!!! ima go hit my illadelph bong...best bong i have eva owned

just got through watching surfer dude....nice bong dude was hittin ha

They're not harmless if you're Tommy Chong.

(excuse me if that was already used, I didn't read the whole thread)

Tsolrathe said:

THC isn't water soluble... I don't know how you would get less. I've also never heard that a bong causes more tar. I don't really know how that would be possible. It does cool the smoke, which reduces the damage to your lungs, especially if you put ice in it, plus it's just down-right pleasant.

I usually smoke from a bong.

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Read my fuckin mind and beat me to the punch! nice lol

%5 or%10 seriously? Dude at least %25-%35 is sucking the air to get the smoke through. You actually clear the whole bong of clear air then clear another..........so wouldnt that mean its %50 clean air? And thats assuming you clear the bong.

Sniper19 said:

i hate bongs you dont get as much THC and im all about the THC

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You, Sir, are about to be proved right.

Tsolrathe said:

THC isn't water soluble... I don't know how you would get less. I've also never heard that a bong causes more tar. I don't really know how that would be possible.

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While thc has been shown to be water insoluble, there have been no studies on the water solubilty of combusted thc directly.

But there have been studies on the debate at hand.
And I quote from the MAPS/NORML study published 1996, "waterpipes filter out PROPORTIONATELY more psychoactive thc than tar".

So, if you have smoke entering your bong with 20% thc, 20% tar (arbitrary numbers), you may inhale smoke with 16% thc and 18% tar. These are again arbitrary figure to represent the effect. I believe the actual thc reduction was greater. The study concluded any cooling effect cause by the bong was greatly outweighed by the increase in tars delivered. Their point, medical mj users should not use waterpipes.

Tsolrathe said:

It does cool the smoke, which reduces the damage to your lungs, especially if you put ice in it, plus it's just down-right pleasant.

I usually smoke from a bong.

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See above post regarding the cooling effect being negated.

Also, the perceived benefit stemming from taking a smooth hit doesn't show all that's going on. When you cool smoke rapidly, as happens passing over a full tube of ice, it condenses and becomes more dense. There is ample evidence showing a long path for the smoke to travel allows it to expand fully and become less irritating to the aveolae. As the dense compressed smoke nters your airway it starts to warm to 98.6•F approximately. This rapidly expands it pushing it into the tissues and doing cell damage on it's way.

Feeling better and being better aren't always married.

I am not picking on you, but your posts were the first to state assumptions held by most. Peace.

indianaman said:

joints and blunts are for people who don't want to taste their pot. you can't beat the taste from a nice clean water bong or pipe, especially if you got some dodie.

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Ok, so we've already establshed bongs are for removing stuff from the smoke. How can they deliver the "taste of their pot"? Now I agree a clean bong can alter the flavor in a pleasant way, but a general test for good flavor has long been to get a club paper and roll a joint. I love the taste of pot and I love the taste of well grown and well cured pot in a joint.

diemdepyro said:

Yeah after careful consideration I am going to call bullshit on the data that says a bong is more deadly than a joint or blunt.

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On what basis will you call that bullshit?

GlassFreak said:

like i said i like vapes for special weed. shit i really just want to taste and smell the aroma, ya know? really get into the weed with the vapes. deep into it. they dont get rid of much thc but the high doesnt last as long. bongs have to loose thc because most of it burns up in the flame. thats why vapes are gooood. but bongs concentrate the smoke (thc is in the smoke) making it more thc. but still not as much as a big ass back to back to back vape rip! since you cant really take a vaporized bong hit... but i actualy have seen manual vaporizor bongs... its got the heat stone in it... that would be the shit.

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Actually I have a male glass on glass fitting to allow me to connect my Hotbox to any 18.8 glass on glass piece. Do to the repeated stirring and smashing between bits to evenly vape each bowl a lot of bits make it through the screen. I don't like particulates in my lungs and they also irritate my throat. A huge rip off a double perc 20" makes pressure wave inside you that you can "see" in the room around you. It's something else. I would take it over a volcano any day. Most of my friends girlfriends are afraid to do that again.

The fittings aren't had to find online or in the northwest in shops. You MUST use a clean piece. And resin or tar left from smoking in your tube or downstem will kill the delicate flavors of vaped weed.

I'm turning on the box and going deep.

GlassFreak said:

i think with bongs there is a lingering effect from the smoke that doesnt leave your lungs. some has to stay in. just a bit. and alot of the high from bongs is actually the carcinogins causing lack of oxygen and more of a head high. with vaps its smoothe and you get no preasure in your head from smoke. the thc is bonded to the molecules let off by the combusted plant material (smoke) in bongs. vaporizers dont combust the plant material but instead get just hot enough to combust the tricombs alone (thc burns at a lower temp than plant material) which gives you a concentration of thc alone in every hit. im guessing it hits you relitively fast and all together with vaps and then quickly bond to fat since it isnt already bonded to something like it is with smoke. but thats just my hypothesis, dont hate me if you know im not right but it sounds reasonable to me...

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I'm glad you prefaced your post with "I think" . You got a lot of it inline with the science.

One thing is if you are combusting anything, you aren't properly vaping. The hot stream of air in most modern vapes passes over the vegetative matter, and heats it up. Once said material has reached the temp needed, the chemicals in the material begin to volatize, and become vapor. Many on the market do not evenly or efficiently heat the plant material. CBN and CBD volatize at lower temps that THC. This is why most like the volcano. It pumps a lot of well heated air through a large amount of material, via a large surface area. It is efficient for the scale it works on.

Your fat theory is good, but I THINK ( :; ) wrong. More along the lines of innefficient heating and volatization of THC.

Gamberro said:

I'm not so sure about that. Could we get a citation?

No method of smoking is harmless, but marijuana has anti-carcinogenic effects that effectively balance out the health harms versus aids. As far as cancer and lung health it's ultimately a positive, but burning other things (pesticides, papers, etc.) is obviously not. Synthetic-grown cannabis is much more carcinogenic than organic.

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In no way is smoking anything a positive to lung health. That defies all logic and current medical and scientific knowledge.

I agree sytheticaly grown pot is indeed much worse than organicaly grown pot when combusted and inhaled. Particularly if picked early or unflushed.

Thanks, Landragon, +rep to you. I didn't feel like you were picking on me. I'm always up for a logical debate without any mudslinging, and it's a rare thing to find. I'll definitely think differently about smoking out of my bong now(not that I'm gonna stop). I'd like to see info on the study you mentioned that says that the water bong removes more thc than tar if you can find a link. I still say smoking from a clean pipe is going to give you a better taste of the pot than smoking a joint. I personally don't like the taste of papers, plus most have nicotine in them, which is highly addictive, and not desirable as far as I'm concerned(not that I'll ever turn down a joint). I've used those clear cellulose papers, and like them, but have trouble rolling 'em.
What do you think about the theory some people have mentioned on this thread that vaporizers actually get you less high? I haven't seen anything other than personal opinion arguing it one way or the other, but it's definitely a counter-intuitive statement(to me, anyway).
In the end, whatever gets you the most high and what gives you the best taste is down to personal preference. If you think a bong is getting you more high, it probably is, regardless of what methods give you the most thc... it's all in your mind anyway.