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NATO as a hostile and Russophobic coalition
State Duma deputy from Crimea Sheremet urged to recognize NATO as a hostile and Russophobic coalition

State Duma Deputy from Crimea Mikhail Sheremet proposed declaring NATO a hostile, extremist and Russophobic coalition. He stated this to RIA Novosti .

“At the origins of the creation of NATO were high-ranking officials of Nazi Germany. Their dream of taking revenge for the defeat in World War II eventually became the main idea of NATO's course and policy. We must recognize the alliance as an aggressive, Nazi, extremist and Russophobic coalition. NATO's locomotive is Hitler's ideas of building a unipolar world," Sheremet urged.

According to the parliamentarian, the member countries of the North Atlantic Alliance will always hate Russia. Sheremet is confident that the country is preventing other states from enslaving the world and all of humanity.

Earlier, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russia has no desire to interfere in relations between NATO countries. Thus, he commented on the possible entry of Finland and Sweden into the alliance.

The accession of countries to NATO was the result of a special Russian military operation in Ukraine, the beginning of which President Vladimir Putin announced on February 24. Moscow 's actions were condemned both in Helsinki and in Stockholm .

BudmanTX said:

they're POW's you idiots.....not war criminals.......

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526588627945410561

here let designate Putin a war criminal and his whole parliment while we are at it

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There is no war going on, just a 'special operation'.

BudmanTX said:

they're POW's you idiots.....not war criminals.......

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526588627945410561

here let designate Putin a war criminal and his whole parliment while we are at it

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Now this is where the devil is in the details. Azov Battalion is a neofascist militia. I cannot find anything about an Azov Regiment except misnomers on the Battalion. Is there a regular-army Azov Regiment?

printer said:

There is no war going on, just a 'special operation'.

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i know....just don't wanna see these guys shot....and they go...we don't know what happened

printer said:

Sorry, had to make sure this was the right one.

Pretty sure it is a video to show how Moscow creates false videos.

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Well they appear to have had referendums and the video was about fake ones. One wonders why they need to stage them? We only have referendums on profound questions, so perhaps they are trying to kill separatist movements? If there was no sentiment, they wouldn't have a referendum and the fact that autonomy is possible in theory anyway, makes things interesting to say the least and some Russian fragmentation possible. Why have a referendum in the Belgorod district on Ukraine's northern border or even mention one if you weren't?

cannabineer said:

Now this is where the devil is in the details. Azov Battalion is a neofascist militia. I cannot find anything about an Azov Regiment except misnomers on the Battalion. Is there a regular-army Azov Regiment?

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and they're even a major battalion too

BudmanTX said:

yes

Azov Brigade - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and they're even a major battalion too

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I am asking about Regiment. I know about Battalion.

Protecting the young people.

The plan from the Kremlin: how Russia will win the information war
The Kremlin has presented a plan for how Russia will win the information war. The mainstay of power in this will be young people, who are most dependent on Western propaganda and are subject to the influence of fakes, URA.RU experts explain the speech of the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov on May 17 at the New Horizons educational marathon, organized by the Knowledge society. The struggle for the minds of schoolchildren and students is part of the global information war led by the United States, political scientists explain.

Peskov's lecture opened this year's educational marathon. The Kremlin representative told schoolchildren and students about the information war that the West launched against the Russian Federation and which, in fact, goes without rules. In a broad sense, this is a hybrid war - not only informational, but also diplomatic and economic. “All decisions are accompanied by information. Information rules the world,” Peskov said, speaking at the New Horizons marathon of the Knowledge society.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Well they appear to have had referendums and the video was about fake ones. One wonders why they need to stage them? We only have referendums on profound questions, so perhaps they are trying to kill separatist movements? If there was no sentiment, they wouldn't have a referendum and the fact that autonomy is possible in theory anyway, makes things interesting to say the least and some Russian fragmentation possible. Why have a referendum in the Belgorod district on Ukraine's northern border or even mention one if you weren't?

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The Russians use 'referendums' to legalize taking over territory. There are enough Russian leaning people located in the area that may want to be Russians but you will never find out the real percentage as the referendums are all for show and the outcome known beforehand.

cannabineer said:

I am asking about Regiment. I know about Battalion.

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i thought the battalion is part of the regiment, if i'm right.......

never been in the military, sorry man

BudmanTX said:

i thought the battalion is part of the regiment, if i'm right.......

never been in the military, sorry man

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Typically between two and six battalions constitute a regiment. So I wonder what the propaganda apparatus really means.

cannabineer said:

Typically between two and six battalions constitute a regiment. So I wonder what the propaganda apparatus really means.

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from the look of it, seems they gave up the steel plant...info is still moving around which i'm sorting out

printer said:

The Russians use 'referendums' to legalize taking over territory. There are enough Russian leaning people located in the area that may want to be Russians but you will never find out the real percentage as the referendums are all for show and the outcome known beforehand.

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I did say I wouldn't trust any referendum under their control, however, it is something that might come back to bite them on the ass as the UN settles civil conflicts with supervised referendums. They have the UN right of self determination to deal with and Kaliningrad might go that way one day, getting out from under sanctions almost instantly with improvements in the standard of living and quality of life are powerful incentives, aside from freedom. Also the Russians seem to recognize the validity of these referendums at one level, they appear to be a mechanism built into their constitution. If the central government breaks, or breaks down at some future point, there could be many possibilities. This war blew the future wide open in the region and damn near anything could happen in the next year or two, much less five.

this help

BudmanTX said:

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is this specific to Azov?

cannabineer said:

is this specific to Azov?

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yes and its from that wikipedia article i posted too

cannabineer said:

Now this is where the devil is in the details. Azov Battalion is a neofascist militia. I cannot find anything about an Azov Regiment except misnomers on the Battalion. Is there a regular-army Azov Regiment?

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Azov denotes a geographic region and that's about it, the steel plant was named after Azov FFS! So lot's of things including military formations could have Azov in their name, even neo fascist assholes in the local militia, as well as a regular army battalion. Indeed it could have formed the nucleus of the army unit, but I think Zelenskiy's government knows how toxic such people can be to support from the west and are opposed to such things. Americans aren't exactly proud of most Trumpers and they are no different than these types, they are all cut from the same cloth and every country has them.

Liberty sometimes means freedom warts and all and the freedom to express one's self comes with the cost of being thought of as an asshole or an idiot. Lord knows we've seen examples posted here enough!

and from reading that article they pulled away from Neo-nazism and political ideology

Similarly, Anton Shekhovtsov wrote in several Western media that the Azov Regiment had become largely depoliticized and had lost most of its neo-Nazi and far-right views, describing it as "a highly professional detachment for specific operations. Neither a political organization, nor a militia, nor a far-right battalion".[206][207][208][209][210][211][212][213][214][215] In a similar vein, Andreas Umland said in 2022, that "In 2014 this battalion had indeed a far-right background, these were far-right racists that founded the battalion" but it had since become "de-ideologised" and a regular fighting unit. Its recruits now join not because of ideology but because "it has the reputation of being a particularly tough fighting unit," Umland said.[216]

In an interview with The Kyiv Independent, Ilya Samoilenko, an Azov officer, stated that while he acknowledged the regiment's 'obscure past', he and other members had chosen to leave the past behind when they integrated with the mainstream Ukrainian military.[217]

DIY-HP-LED said:

I did say I wouldn't trust any referendum under their control, however, it is something that might come back to bite them on the ass as the UN settles civil conflicts with supervised referendums. They have the UN right of self determination to deal with and Kaliningrad might go that way one day, getting out from under sanctions almost instantly with improvements in the standard of living and quality of life are powerful incentives, aside from freedom. Also the Russians seem to recognize the validity of these referendums at one level, they appear to be a mechanism built into their constitution. If the central government breaks, or breaks down at some future point, there could be many possibilities. This war blew the future wide open in the region and damn near anything could happen in the next year or two, much less five.

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"It is not the people that vote, it is the people that count the vote that determines the election." D Trump (or something like that)

The Russians were going to run a fake referendum for Kaliningrad on joining Russia but backed out as they thought they could not even make it look legitimate.

BudmanTX said:

and from reading that article they pulled away from Neo-nazism and political ideology

Similarly, Anton Shekhovtsov wrote in several Western media that the Azov Regiment had become largely depoliticized and had lost most of its neo-Nazi and far-right views, describing it as "a highly professional detachment for specific operations. Neither a political organization, nor a militia, nor a far-right battalion".[206][207][208][209][210][211][212][213][214][215] In a similar vein, Andreas Umland said in 2022, that "In 2014 this battalion had indeed a far-right background, these were far-right racists that founded the battalion" but it had since become "de-ideologised" and a regular fighting unit. Its recruits now join not because of ideology but because "it has the reputation of being a particularly tough fighting unit," Umland said.[216]

In an interview with The Kyiv Independent, Ilya Samoilenko, an Azov officer, stated that while he acknowledged the regiment's 'obscure past', he and other members had chosen to leave the past behind when they integrated with the mainstream Ukrainian military.[217]

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Not to mention most of the original members were probably killed off over the years and their ideology died with them, others might have been kicked out.