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CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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CCGNZ said:
These are the times where you hope the pilots have steel balls, dangerous tit for tat sabre rattling easily leadsto miscalculation, miscalculation leads to a FOX1 being fired, gloves off accidently then what?
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During the Cuban missile crisis Kennedy asked a lot of questions about the process of dealing with soviet ships running the blockade. He was concerned about potential of escalation due to a misunderstanding or accident. Once he heard warning shots being fired across the bow was part of the process, he communicated directly with ship commanders on the scene. There were to be no shots fired of any kind unless ordered by him personally.

some things should be micromanaged.

“there’s always some bastard who doesn’t get the memo”
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Budley Doright said:
For kids today to get even the down payment typically require help. Me and the Ex each contributed to the purchase of the kids homes but it wasn’t much :( and I co-signed the mortgage for the one. The other makes way more than me lol. The first purchase was a condo and at just under a million was on the cheaper side where she is..... most expensive city/country in the world :(. Crazy shit.
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hanimmal

hanimmal

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CCGNZ said:
I'm deeply troubled by the recent events Ukraine/Russia and I also agree that China is monitoring this situation with green eyes. I've always put myself in the Russians shoes w/the caveat that I think Pres. Putin is a mafioso dressed as a politician,that being said my previous point is that the Russians have suffered 2 devastating invasions in recent history(Napolean/Hitler), both overcome with incredible carnage suffered by the Russian people to eventually prevail. The West never gave Russia it's due in WW2 and I firmly believe DDay could have been a disaster had so much German armor had not been chewed up by Ivan on the Eastern front, I'm not overlooking Stalin's evil but Russia paid a price for victory multitudes greater in loss than the Allies. Fast forward, the Cold War ends and the West proclaims VICTORY (in your face Russia), not one iota of humbleness or graciousness. Russia has always been proud and just wanted some respect IMO. Then we expand NATO right to their borders present day in territories they once controlled. I can see taking on Poland,Hungary, and Checkoslovakia. But the Baltic countries are in a very sensitive area and bound to cause tension. On top of all of this just the mention of Ukraine potentially being admitted in the future is bound to drive the Russians bonkers. So we admitted these countries to the allance effectively watering it down and pushing it closer to Russia, factor in their paronoia from past wars and what do we have. Serious tensions all built on arrogance and under article 5 of NATO'S constitution are obligated to go to war over twice as many countries than in the original NATO. I think Putin sees how watered down NATO is combined with the slights he feels sees the opportunity to exploit and weaken or even call the alliances bluff. In any case it's all bad and very worrisome.
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I am not a world historian or war buff or anything, so take any opinion I have on this with a grain of salt, and excuse my googling.

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I would point to the Soviet Union picking up 21,275 square kilometers after ww2 ended could be considered 'their due' for their very important efforts during the war.

But the Soviet Union died when they shut themselves off and conducted insanely naive economic suicide. Today's Russia is not the Soviet Union (outside of them still committing economic suicide with the top level corruption), and Ukraine is technically older than Russia, so why should they be able to determine who a second country allies with?

CCGNZ said:
Russians are tough,proud, and resilliant people and messing w/them is NO JOKE. Sure hope there is a facesaving way out of this mess, some of Putin's demands are outrageous,but that's what happens when you cage a tiger.ccguns
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Pride is a mother fucker.


Russia is messing with us, see their attack on our democracy (and every other democratic nation's democracy). I agree with hoping that there is a way out of this mess, but it is all on Putin, and not something that can be blamed on the countries deciding what is in their best interest that doesn't involve attack them.
 
injinji

injinji

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Lucky Luke said:
Then the world's view of America will deteriorate even more and just like Trumps presidency it will help the rise of China. Interesting times we live in.
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Sacrificing eastern Europe has always been Nato's battle plan. And it always will be. We don't have the personal to stop the Red Army in a head to head match in Europe. And I really don't disagree with that plan. After all that is how we beat Germany. We waited for them to wear themselves out fighting the Red Army, then we moved in and finished them off.

China is on the way up due to economic power. They are punching above their weight, just like the US of A did in the nineteenth century.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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I’m with hanimmal in the fact I’m not an expert on history of Western Europe or wars This is seemingly a war between superpowers (as it always has been) and the people are the pawns and expendable. Scary shit going down :(.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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CCGNZ said:
The big boy's rip out their meat and measure and the brave service people and innocent civilians do the dying.
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I think the octagon with the dinks that make the decisions thrown in all at once, would be cool. Let them make their alliances and enemies there ……..reality show at its best lol.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Budley Doright said:
I’m with hanimmal in the fact I’m not an expert on history of Western Europe or wars This is seemingly a war between superpowers (as it always has been) and the people are the pawns and expendable. Scary shit going down :(.
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I think Joe is doing things we don't see to agitate Vlad, he's had to deploy troops to Belorussia and Kazakhstan to support his proxies. Vlad's moves in the Ukraine are causing Finland and Sweden to consider joining NATO and most countries in NATO have larger economies than Russia. If Vlad invades Ukraine, he and his oligarch buddies will lose all of the money they stashed away in the west over decades and they will suffer other consequences. The average Russian makes $400/mth and the Russian economy is heavily dependent on oil exports and Vlad uses it as political leverage too.

I think someone has been putting the heat on Putin and causing him to act in a very dangerous way and I understand he does not have strong support for this unpopular war at home. Vlad has a dream of resurrecting the old soviet empire and might be sleep walking over the edge of disaster. Or the Ukraine is simply a hostage, used to get concessions from the west. Or maybe Joe wants retribution on Russia for fucking over Uncle Sam and this is the way he is gonna get it, by subtilty provoking Vlad into doing something very stupid. Wars often have unintended consequences and are best avoided
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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hanimmal said:
Meh, chances are as soon as Russia starts their war, China will start their land grab too.

It is interesting that someone would complain about America not wanting to get drug into a war that another nation is starting when they also complain about America being warmongers.
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I agree.

There's some wars that need to be fought. Most of the ones US gets into are not. Vietnam, Iraq for eg were not those. I don't think America should get involved in Ukraine but if you have said you would (and you have) then you have to do as you say.
 
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Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Does anyone think it may be due to the mid terms in America coming up?
is Putin trying to make Biden look weak and to drive support back to Trump in some way?
The whole Ukraine affair seems to be big on American news services and websites such as this with a large American membership. Here its not mentioned much at all.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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Lucky Luke said:
Does anyone think it may be due to the mid terms in America coming up?
is Putin trying to make Biden look weak and to drive support back to Trump in some way?
The whole Ukraine affair seems to be big on American news services and websites such as this with a large American membership. Here its not mentioned much at all.
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I don’t. The timing would be inefficient.
 
injinji

injinji

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Lucky Luke said:
Does anyone think it may be due to the mid terms in America coming up?
is Putin trying to make Biden look weak and to drive support back to Trump in some way?
The whole Ukraine affair seems to be big on American news services and websites such as this with a large American membership. Here its not mentioned much at all.
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On Washington Week Friday night one of the reporters were saying that Putin saw how Joe Rob's poll numbers took a nose dive after the Afghan withdrawal, and he figured he could poke a little harder. Putin really wouldn't mind getting Ukraine back, but making the US look weak is his main goal.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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injinji said:
On Washington Week Friday night one of the reporters were saying that Putin saw how Joe Rob's poll numbers took a nose dive after the Afghan withdrawal, and he figured he could poke a little harder. Putin really wouldn't mind getting Ukraine back, but making the US look weak is his main goal.
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IDK about his main goal. His main goal is increasing his wealth and power. Trump idolises him.
 
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CCGNZ

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CunningCanuk said:
During the Cuban missile crisis Kennedy asked a lot of questions about the process of dealing with soviet ships running the blockade. He was concerned about potential of escalation due to a misunderstanding or accident. Once he heard warning shots being fired across the bow was part of the process, he communicated directly with ship commanders on the scene. There were to be no shots fired of any kind unless ordered by him personally.

some things should be micromanaged.

“there’s always some bastard who doesn’t get the memo”
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I remember that quote exactly, good point
 
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CCGNZ

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hanimmal said:
I am not a world historian or war buff or anything, so take any opinion I have on this with a grain of salt, and excuse my googling.

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I would point to the Soviet Union picking up 21,275 square kilometers after ww2 ended could be considered 'their due' for their very important efforts during the war.

But the Soviet Union died when they shut themselves off and conducted insanely naive economic suicide. Today's Russia is not the Soviet Union (outside of them still committing economic suicide with the top level corruption), and Ukraine is technically older than Russia, so why should they be able to determine who a second country allies with?

Pride is a mother fucker.


Russia is messing with us, see their attack on our democracy (and every other democratic nation's democracy). I agree with hoping that there is a way out of this mess, but it is all on Putin, and not something that can be blamed on the countries deciding what is in their best interest that doesn't involve attack them.
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you raise good points, and I agree that Russia is wrong, but I always put myself in the opponents shoes to try to understand their mindset, and this is a potential nightmare situation. I think the paranoia of the past has Putin wanting a buffer zone or sphere of influence. He looks at the USA w/peaceful borders and ocean separating us from rivals and feels he and his country deserve a level of security. I fear that he has built up so much of a military deployment that he cannot back down now,especially w/the image he has cultivated. Something is going to happen and I just hope it's at the l.ow end of the scale
 
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CCGNZ

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I remember those classic Chapelle shows on Comedy Central, some of the funniest shit I've ever seen, how about the thing w/Charley Murphy and Rick James skits, hysterical
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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CunningCanuk said:
Home ownership may be beyond possibility for many of them further signalling the erosion of the middle class.
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i think it's temporary, rich people are snapping up real estate because that's what rich people do in a crises, take advantage of anyone in trouble. once they gentrify what they're going to, they're still stuck with a ton of property that no one can afford, so they'll turn a lot of it into rental property, and in a few years, they'll be forced to drop the prices significantly, because there will be no one to sell to that can afford the ridiculous prices they're slapping on cracker boxes right now
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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CCGNZ said:
These are the times where you hope the pilots have steel balls, dangerous tit for tat sabre rattling easily leadsto miscalculation, miscalculation leads to a FOX1 being fired, gloves off accidently then what?
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then we stomp on the shitty russian military and send them home, a lot of them in bags, and vlad nurses a bloody nose...which is what happens to a lot of bullies who overestimate how tough they are
 
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