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Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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i know this may not be the correct place to start this thread, but i find there are more intellectuals here than in other forums. so heres the question.

what are your views on downloading books/movies/games online for free?

is it right, or wrong, or neither. why or why not?
 
dam612

dam612

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i dont have a problem with piracy, however artists that i REALLY like i usually like to have a hard copy to support them. but i look at my music lib and i couldnt fathom the money i would have put into buying cds if i did it for eveything.(movies too). sometime i dload stuff and never listen to it, or peep a few songs and delete it.
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all these musicians/actors seem to be pretty well off for themselves given the ammount of sales they are missing out due to piracy, prb why concert prices have sky rocketed, as well at 12$ movie tickets
 
tyler.durden

tyler.durden

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I know it's morally wrong, but I, and most people I know, do this type of thing and have done so for years: making copies of sheet music that are not public domain at the library. borrowing CD, tapes, LPs (for those old enough to remember having such things) and recording them for personal use. I also am loyal to a few groups and actually purchase their music, but I have over 50 GBs of music, can you imagine how much money that would translate to? The artists will always be fine with sponsors, movie and TV spots, and playing sold out shows. They really should be stoked that so many people want to listen to their music. I still know it's wrong, but guess what, I do things that are much worse than this...
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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...funny this comes up. I was looking at the 'favorite thing to do while high' thread and was thinking of the proper way to write "watch the collections of 80's tv I've recently aquired". I have no idea why, but I really wanted to see a-team, simon and simon, etc. so I ended up with most of the seasons of things I watched a long time ago.

I don't watch much 'current' tv. almost none at all...and I haven't seen the 'latest' movie in at least 7 years. made mixed tapes like mad when that came out. so, really, dunno.

i miss the 8-track and records...fairly 'stand alone' units.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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I think it kind of evens the playing field. As was mentioned, if I like a song, I'll go buy it on iTunes. I always hated the idea of paying $15.00 for a CD with 13 songs 8 of which I wouldn't have listened to if they weren't on the CD.. The flip side is I've bought CD's in the past that opened me up to new artists I wouldn't have heard otherwise. So the idea of paying for each song individually was great from the start.

Morally wrong? Sure, but I think it's also wrong for people to be idolized like a lot of them are.
 
ginjawarrior

ginjawarrior

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i started downloading music 10 years back when napster was free to use i carried on downloading for for free on different p2p's then i moved onto torrents. i have now approximatly 1.5TB of muisc in mp3 and flac
i started downloading because i like psytrance which was very hard to find im my country i have gone on to buy some cd's that i really like and i also have an incredably large amount of shit music on my hard drives that i would have had to have bought to have found the good stuff

i've also introduced freinds to artists that they would never had heard and they have gone on to buy their albums/ goto their concerts

yeah i have got a fair few good albums that i havent paid towards but money has been spent on artists from other countries that would never have had me as an audience if it wasnt for downloading so i dont feel any guilt

http://rutracker.org/forum/index.php < very good site for electronic music from over the world
 
mexiblunt

mexiblunt

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Yeah it's a tough one especially as an artist. as an artist I would freely give away my music, getting paid is a bonus. As soon as there is more than one artist in a group this can become a problem. It cost money to produce a high quality song (usually), It cost money to print cd's and inserts etc. I can see where some income would be nice if just to pay these expenses. As a listener I feel your income should not impeed your musical exploration. Like back in the day the only music you could explore was either on the radio or dubbed from friends (if they let you) remember they paid for that tape. Kinda like ppl who always ask to bum a smoke. It's fine if you can share with each other but even then all of your friends and your own collection could not compare to what's available today.

I would like to think the artists that really love what they do would do it regardless of what they might make off it.
 
dam612

dam612

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ginjawarrior said:
i started downloading music 10 years back when napster was free to use i carried on downloading for for free on different p2p's then i moved onto torrents. i have now approximatly 1.5TB of muisc in mp3 and flac
i started downloading because i like psytrance which was very hard to find im my country i have gone on to buy some cd's that i really like and i also have an incredably large amount of shit music on my hard drives that i would have had to have bought to have found the good stuff

i've also introduced freinds to artists that they would never had heard and they have gone on to buy their albums/ goto their concerts

yeah i have got a fair few good albums that i havent paid towards but money has been spent on artists from other countries that would never have had me as an audience if it wasnt for downloading so i dont feel any guilt

http://rutracker.org/forum/index.php < very good site for electronic music from over the world
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lmao im with you on the free napster, was dloading with 56k dial up, would take HOURS for a bunch of songs, now it takes moments with torrents + so muich more then music
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Idk, I think on the one hand part of that is right, but I also think without that main motivation, fame and fortune, quite a few of them wouldn't have ever really developed into the superstars they did. Not only that, but without the huge profits involved, you wouldn't really be able to produce the quality that we see today. Who really knows though, today we can easily bypass the system if we want. I think a lot of people kind of feel like it's not really hurting anyone, so why not?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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dam612 said:
lmao im with you on the free napster, was dloading with 56k dial up, would take HOURS for a bunch of songs, now it takes moments with torrents + so muich more then music
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Oh fuck, the 56K days... AOL and parental control settings.. lol
 
mexiblunt

mexiblunt

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Padawanbater2 said:
Idk, I think on the one hand part of that is right, but I also think without that main motivation, fame and fortune, quite a few of them wouldn't have ever really developed into the superstars they did. Not only that, but without the huge profits involved, you wouldn't really be able to produce the quality that we see today. Who really knows though, today we can easily bypass the system if we want. I think a lot of people kind of feel like it's not really hurting anyone, so why not?
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I agree with you in some ways, I'm the same way to a point but If I can and I really love a band I will buy a cd or go see a show and by a shirt etc. Can you imagine if we paid for every piece of music we listen to? I would either be broke, or have a very small music collection in comparison to what I have now. I've spent nearly $200 on downloads for rockband over the years.

Production is huge! I know some producers who can listen to alot of the big name bands and without prior knowledge tell ya who produced it. At any time if you were to look at the billboard top 100 there is a good chance all those songs were produced by a far smaller number of producers.

Kiss was an amazing live band but in the early days could not capture it. So they produced a double live album that turns out wasn't really live. Hendrix was amazing but still could not play backwards guitar or two sometimes three guitars live like it was recorded. It's buisness and art combined.

If you don't have money for production/marketing etc. You have to prove yourself live, if you can do that someone will sign you the money. If you have the money for production you just need a good producer/marketer, musical talent not required. Tit'n'ass help! :)

Edit. The other day a friend and I pulled out the old M.J thriller record. I was shocked to see that he only wrote a few of those songs and made me wonder how many people know who wrote most of those songs?
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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thanks everyone for all the sweet comments, i came to the conclusion that i think some things are ok to download for free where as some arent...yet. like old school emulators and games, music andmovies thats been out for years where the people really arent making any money from selling the merchandise. i was talking to my friend about this stuff, he was angry because he spent so much money on all of the books he has where i got mine for free, i said that i think information should be free no matter what. he agrees, but disagrees about pleasure reading. but i disagree because i think people who write books do it to share it, regardless of how much money they make. i feel the same way with music too. im still confused, and i still feel as if im justifiying me getting all of these things for free, but im still not sure. either way thanks so much for all the input guys!
 
blazinkill504

blazinkill504

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right, wrong, neither...shit it doesnt matter to me im downloadin it if i can those people are rich enough they arent gonna miss my money. i dont wanna hear oh well what if everyone did that cause they dont and i dont live in a dream world.
 
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