Vertical kinda sucks

Sorry, but you're wrong. You can get identical intensity by moving plants closer than you could with a horizontal setup (too much light too much heat).

This isn't an opinion, this is a fact.

As far as the actual setups go, yes, some of them are complicated. So are some horizontal grows. People get personally invested in this, but I haven't seen one objective argument that's actually true from anyone suggesting horizontal is just as good (it's not).

OGEvilgenius said:

Sorry, but you're wrong. You can get identical intensity by moving plants closer than you could with a horizontal setup (too much light too much heat).

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I don't quite understand why one wouldnt be able to get a horizontal light just as close to plants as a vertical bulb. Please explain this without assuming your conclusion for the benefit of everyone. Also, stating 'its a fact, vertical bulbs are cooler' would be circular reasoning, so try to stick to the physics behind your assertion.

I haven't seen one objective argument that's actually true from anyone suggesting horizontal is just as good (it's not).

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here let me try to reason in your manner:

I haven't seen one objective argument that's actually true from anyone suggesting vertical is just as good(it's not). lol. just joking with you man.

The discussion here is 'which is more efficient.

You claim is that vertical is more efficient. Maybe you are right and thousands of jedi growers are wrong.

If so, educate us with your reasons other than 'increased canopy space'. Since increased canopy space does not always equal larger yields.

If you know something, then state it with facts and reasoning, so that the world can benefit and we can have more dank everywhere...

before i jump in here, i just want to clarify..... are we talking about vertical systems (colusseum-style, etc.) or vertical lighting here?

anybody seen a volksgarden in operation, that shit is impressive.

but seriously how can anybody say that vertical growing is not the most productive way?

dvs1038 said:

Well since I don't have a vert grow I can't really comment if vert sucks, but I am interested in setting it up and just by reading around and lookin at other posts I found this here and well its kinda hard to argue with geometry isn't it? I got this pic from someone elses vert thread but it give u an idea how much more area a vert light will give u.
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that pic was made by member Gastanker using a lighting specs program called diallux.
he turned me onto it; it's available as a free download.

zor said:

I don't quite understand why one wouldnt be able to get a horizontal light just as close to plants as a vertical bulb. Please explain this without assuming your conclusion for the benefit of everyone. Also, stating 'its a fact, vertical bulbs are cooler' would be circular reasoning, so try to stick to the physics behind your assertion.

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Because the bulbs are cooler. You can almost grow plants to the point where they touch (except if you do chances are intensity will be too high and bleaching will occur). That area is further back with a horizontal setup due to bleaching. Also you have higher temperatures at the bulb with horizontal which is the other determining factor.

I have stated my reasoning with great clarity all through the thread.

And many jedi growers do hang their bulbs vertically. The HA are well known for doing this in fact... and they produce Dank. Even if they aren't so public about it.

OGEvilgenius said:

Because the bulbs are cooler. You can almost grow plants to the point where they touch (except if you do chances are intensity will be too high and bleaching will occur).

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you state this numerous times in the thread as fact, yet you give no reasoning behind it. i dont doubt that you can cool a vert bare bulb to the point where they touch. however, you can do the same with a horizontal bulb.

Also you have higher temperatures at the bulb with horizontal which is the other determining factor.

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another restating of your conclusion. explain why.

I have stated my reasoning with great clarity all through the thread

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you've restated that vert runs cooler. you've also stated that the intensity varies with horizontal lighting, which is true. however, the same holds true of a vertical canopy on the ends of the bulb.

i just reread your posts and don't see how you've given reasons other than anecdotal evidence of your own experience as well as appeals to authority (ala heath).

And many jedi growers do hang their bulbs vertically.

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yes many jedi growers kick ass with vert. as they do with horizontal. we all agree on this i think. However, i'm not stating that one is better than another as 'fact'.

Bleaching occurs earlier with horizontal lighting. The photo just reposted in this thread says more than a million words possibly could. More light in a larger canopy = bigger yields. Good luck hitting 2gpw growing horizontally.

my SCROG should get just under 2gpw, I expect about 750g - 800g from a 400W; If I turn the lamp vertical I could get more?

regards,

expecting and getting are two different things, maybe you should have learned that from your first scrog grow ru4r34l

ru4r34l said:

my SCROG should get just under 2gpw, I expect about 750g - 800g from a 400W; If I turn the lamp vertical I could get more?

regards,

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I'm cool with most things but your avatar sucks. You know that resin glands are on pretty much whole plant hope I'm jumping the gun and that's not your kid. Ive had that shit in my eyes first harvest on accident and wasn't fun. I wouldn't even put a beer in my kids hand cause like me would prob drink it.

I will try vertical someday but scrog is hard to get away from but then using the whole bulb vs half with a reflected hood makes me just have to try a vertical scrog.

TheOrganic said:

I'm cool with most things but your avatar sucks. You know that resin glands are on pretty much whole plant hope I'm jumping the gun and that's not your kid. Ive had that shit in my eyes first harvest on accident and wasn't fun. I wouldn't even put a beer in my kids hand cause like me would prob drink it.

I will try vertical someday but scrog is hard to get away from but then using the whole bulb vs half with a reflected hood makes me just have to try a vertical scrog.

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That sure is my little angel, and I am not worried about resin from fan leaves on her precious little hands; But what I am worried about is the paint she has all over from daycare, the chemicals that daycare lather on her to prevent mosquito bites, the chemicals added to our baby food, the chemicals sprayed on our fruits and vegetables we give her, etc..

You should get the point now that resin glands from fan leaves are not high on my priority list to protect her or any of my kids from, and we don't keep alcohol in the house.

She has also already had herb camfour oil for her chest colds, like I use to get at her age; old Jamaican remedy to get rid of phlegm from a chest cold.

No need to worry she will not rub her eyes, she knows the importance of collecting all the resin, waste not want not.

regards,