vertical growing

Guys, if you want to build a super easy and awesome DIY vert all you need is a bunch of 15 gal poly drums. You buld a PVC or wood rack and you make each one a DWC. Buy a commercial air pump and a small bubble disk per drum.

DWC works as good as any system out there and it is fail safe. NTF and mist systems are highly prone to failure and way to complicated. Trust me, the 15 gal drums layed on their side with about 3 plants each is exactly what you want. Plus, you can rotate them in the rack to change the angle of the growth. I would also build 4 or more seperate sections and put them on casters so you can move them around and use all sides.

And, as an added bonus, the lower plants will have to grow around the lower half of the upper drum so the branches that would be in the shaded area behind the plant will be pushed foreward into the light

That 5hit said:

can we see pics of your grow and post a link to your journal or use this as your journal

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Good morning friend and thanks.

I am just now getting things really started on my new grow and setup.

Here are a few pictures of my area.

My area is in a huge room and gets plenty of supplemental lighting from a south facing window.

I am using a 1000 watt HPS and a 600 watt and a 400 watt equivalent LED and good ole mylar and all are being run vertical to the Trees.

The pots are huge 25 gallon pots, but I like big indoor beasts to reveg.

Blessings,

Rev. TheNatural

can you exsplain whats going on in this picture
is that soil in those pots or is this some type of hydro system

That 5hit said:

can you exsplain whats going on in this picture
is that soil in those pots or is this some type of hydro system

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I cannot explain exactly everyuthing friend,lol.

However, I grow completely organic all the way down to the worms and bugs and those hoses are oxygen being supplied straight to the roots 24hrs from an aquarium pump and they also get pure oxygen for a bit at night " Co2 is also used "......I do all kinds of little environmental things to the Trees, but it is always a natural and or organic stimuli..

Blessings,

TheNatural

so it is soil
and the pots sit in a rez
so as to not have to keep feeding them
like a wick hydro system??

Once you go vertical, you never go back

That 5hit said:

so it is soil
and the pots sit in a rez
so as to not have to keep feeding them
like a wick hydro system??

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No friend.

They are big 25 gallon pots loaded with soil and other good stuff.

The totes are just underneath them, in order to not have water spillage when watering them.

The air hoses, are just run down to the root system.

Here is how I build them in the pictures.

The dirt I use comes from the big worm bins that I build for very rich soil as I only feed my worms fruit and Veggie scraps and also some fish.

Blessings,

Rev. TheNatural

WOW 25 gal huge

you keep these compost been in the house
do you just add outside dirt worms and vegy scraps
and do you keep a lid on that
and does it smell
how long does it take to tranfrom into dirt
and do you remove worms when you tranplant into the 25gal pots

I am sure that they smell, lol.

However, I use big purifiers in the house for health reasons also and I cannot smell much in their room.

Allot of times I use soil from other grows to freshen the bins and sometimes fresh soil from bag, as the bins turn more into castings over time.

I use Myco-Fungi and a host of other natural things in my soil over time.

I usually build my pots with about half dirt from the worm bins and the rest with fresh bag soil.

I also use worms in my pots and other bugs from the yard to help build a live soil, that will sustain a plant indefinately as I like to re-veg allot and I use no other fertilizers of any kind; " I simply feed the worms and creatures in the soil some scraps and they feed the Trees the best and most natural way and I have many bugs, but NONE on my girls " they all know their place and that is in the soil. "

Actually, I do use some Molasses and Raw Honey at times to give the soil and girls some nice natural sugars........Molasses is great in more ways than one, but Raw honey is LOVED by all in the pots when offered.

Blessings,

Rev. TheNatural

Below is a chart showing the amount of light (LUX) that plants receive when a given number of lumens is spread over various areas. This is a direct measurement of total light output and not based on 1 side of a bulb so it applies regardless of how the light is spread. To grow weed effectively, you need between 25,000 and 50,000 LUX. As you can see, a horizontal system does in fact lower light intensity at the plants by the same proportion as the increased area.

Therefore, the only possible benefit of a vertical system is the 5% or so that would otherwise be lost by a reflector.


Illumination Chart

Sorry, chart will not past. See it here:

http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/lighting_guide.php

If you do the calculations, a vert with a 4' diameter would require a 600W HPS for each foot of height to produce 25,000 LUX at the plants. A flat area 4' X 3' is the same surface area - about 12 sq feet. So, according to the physics of the situation which is unwavering, there is no advantage to the additional surface area of the vertical.

have you ever thought about doing this on a larger scale
like building a large box like maybe 6ft by 6ft wide and 2ft deep maybe in a basement
and putting all your DIY dirt a air tupes in it
would this even work

RickWhite said:

Below is a chart showing the amount of light (LUX) that plants receive when a given number of lumens is spread over various areas. This is a direct measurement of total light output and not based on 1 side of a bulb so it applies regardless of how the light is spread. To grow weed effectively, you need between 25,000 and 50,000 LUX. As you can see, a horizontal system does in fact lower light intensity at the plants by the same proportion as the increased area.

Therefore, the only possible benefit of a vertical system is the 5% or so that would otherwise be lost by a reflector.


Illumination Chart

Sorry, chart will not past. See it here:

http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/lighting_guide.php

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Gr8 but i am still a Pervert (meaning i perfer vertical growing) tranlate that 5% in to $ for me
and in my mind that chart is wrong with respect to perverts
and remimber where you herd the term first i started Pervert i plan on coming up with a club icon and starting a grow club when i start my first vert grow

That 5hit said:

Gr8 but i am still a Pervert (meaning i perfer vertical growing) tranlate that 5% in to $ for me
and in my mind that chart is wrong with respect to perverts
and remimber where you herd the term first i started Pervert i plan on coming up with a club icon and starting a grow club when i start my first vert grow

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You can also find this info on wikipedia or any other source. LUX is Lumens / m^2. So the intensity of light decreases in direct proportion to the area being illuminated. This is an absolute. A vertical grow only increases harvest by the amount that would otherwise be lost by the hood. If you have a top notch hood like the Adjust-a-wing you are looking at 3%.

RickWhite said:

You can also find this info on wikipedia or any other source. LUX is Lumens / m^2. So the intensity of light decreases in direct proportion to the area being illuminated. This is an absolute. A vertical grow only increases harvest by the amount that would otherwise be lost by the hood. If you have a top notch hood like the Adjust-a-wing you are looking at 3%.

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http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/yor/lightres.htm

if a 600w light gives 1.00 foot (12 inches/30 cm) 9,000 fc at that distance and 1.50 foot (18 inches/45 cm) 5,600 lumens if u increase the distance for 6inches,then if u mesure the distance from the bulb to the reflective surfice of the reflector and back thats about 6inches so u lose about 25% in that direction and what about the lateral reflection there again u loose according to the distance the light has to travel,u can mesure it and see

panta said:

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/yor/lightres.htm

if a 600w light gives 1.00 foot (12 inches/30 cm) 9,000 fc at that distance and 1.50 foot (18 inches/45 cm) 5,600 lumens if u increase the distance for 6inches,then if u mesure the distance from the bulb to the reflective surfice of the reflector and back thats about 6inches so u lose about 25% in that direction and what about the lateral reflection there again u loose according to the distance the light has to travel,u can mesure it and see

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You are misunderstanding how it works. Light decreases according to how much surface area it falls upon. As you move a light further from a surface you increase the area illuminated. Say you have a 600W HPS illuminating a 4'X4' area (16 sq feet), then you raise the light to illuminate a 6'X6' area (36 sq feet). That is over 2X the area so your light intensity is cut in half.

The formula for intensity is Lumens / M^2 (of floor space) = LUX. The fact that the light travels a few extra inches from the bulb to reflector and down is irrelevant. You only lose around 5% with a good reflector.

Honey??? Have you ever taken any type of organic chemistry and know the biometric composition of honey? I would recommend noone use this! By the way, you have eagle talons going on, might want to address that!

Gardenboy420 said:

Honey??? Have you ever taken any type of organic chemistry and know the biometric composition of honey? I would recommend noone use this! By the way, you have eagle talons going on, might want to address that!

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Oh my friend.

I have read so many charts of different types over the years and heard the so-called " expert opinions " from Man's World's most bright and educated and I still just smile and shake my head.

Intelligence and common sense comes from within and I was Blessed with copious amounts of it.

In other words, I listen to my body and it tells me if what I put into it, is good for it or not.......that applies to my plants also.

I could care less about anything that was written up by some educated guy out of a school somewere.

Common sense, will always win in the end.

My number one ingrediant to life period is.....LOVE and Understanding Of The Truth.

Most people reject the last statement.....when it is brought to them in any form.

Truth just scares some people, because it requires them to blame themselves.....

Raw Honey is insane good for you and your plants.

Sure, you need to purchase the honey from someone who does not live close to cities and major dumping areas, but it can be done easily, with a little time and effort.

Cured many things in the Human body and other organisms, by the use of Pure Raw Honey.

Cured four incurable diseases within my own body, by using Common Sense of Nature and the Proper application of Nature into ones life.

All the Bull Hockey medical charts and expert opinions........was killing me.

I woke up to Real Truth, about life and plants and all other things in nature.......became a part of them, instead of being seperate from them.......and I am alive and healthier than I have ever been in my life.

No disrespect.......but you boys and girls can keep all of your studies and charts........not interested........my chart is from Nature......my code is Common sense.

Blessings,

Rev. TheNatural

RickWhite said:

You can also find this info on wikipedia or any other source. LUX is Lumens / m^2. So the intensity of light decreases in direct proportion to the area being illuminated. This is an absolute. A vertical grow only increases harvest by the amount that would otherwise be lost by the hood. If you have a top notch hood like the Adjust-a-wing you are looking at 3%.

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panta said:

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/yor/lightres.htm

if a 600w light gives 1.00 foot (12 inches/30 cm) 9,000 fc at that distance and 1.50 foot (18 inches/45 cm) 5,600 lumens if u increase the distance for 6inches,then if u mesure the distance from the bulb to the reflective surfice of the reflector and back thats about 6inches so u lose about 25% in that direction and what about the lateral reflection there again u loose according to the distance the light has to travel,u can mesure it and see

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RickWhite said:

You are misunderstanding how it works. Light decreases according to how much surface area it falls upon. As you move a light further from a surface you increase the area illuminated. Say you have a 600W HPS illuminating a 4'X4' area (16 sq feet), then you raise the light to illuminate a 6'X6' area (36 sq feet). That is over 2X the area so your light intensity is cut in half.

The formula for intensity is Lumens / M^2 (of floor space) = LUX. The fact that the light travels a few extra inches from the bulb to reflector and down is irrelevant. You only lose around 5% with a good reflector.

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panta
is 100% right even if you had a 100% reflective hood you would loose lux and lum when you raise the hood to increace the lights footprint the plants on the outer realm of the lights footprint would suffer- this is not true with vert growing

rickwhite-
if you take your own formula for intensity the no. you enter for (floor space) you would times that ceiling and right and left wall
if the foot print for a light (X) with hood is = to 3ft by 3ft
if you remove that hood and place light on its side you could have 4 times the footprint area by placing another 3x3 in front , behind, to the left , to the right of the light (4 dimensinal growing)

RickWhite said:

You are misunderstanding how it works. Light decreases according to how much surface area it falls upon. As you move a light further from a surface you increase the area illuminated. Say you have a 600W HPS illuminating a 4'X4' area (16 sq feet), then you raise the light to illuminate a 6'X6' area (36 sq feet). That is over 2X the area so your light intensity is cut in half.

The formula for intensity is Lumens / M^2 (of floor space) = LUX. The fact that the light travels a few extra inches from the bulb to reflector and down is irrelevant. You only lose around 5% with a good reflector.

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I am sure there is a light equation for % loss due to distance from target, not just how it spreads..

check out this dudes vert grow
jigfresh
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/221652-jigfreshs-grow-2-vertical-scrog.html
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