vertical growing

Uncle Ben said:

So do mine.

Nice job, and I'm not a "vertical hater", don't really care what you do as long as it works for you. My point being is that noobs will jump off on some method because they've seen pictures of it in a forum, and they'll do it not understanding the pitfalls, which most growers will not divulge. There are demons and caveats that come with every style of growing and lighting. For instance, I wouldn't think twice about SCROG.

I like the even distribution of horizontal lighting and I get good, long colas.

Happy to see you had the courage to show the whole plant and not some closeup of the top 3" of a cola.

Grow hard,
UB

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Horrible, that looks totally grose!!! Haha j/k man. You've done well . Your pictures are making my mouth water . Mmmm so delicious

To each his own my friend, to each his own

bigtomatofarmer said:

Here ya go, the life of Bertha

4/25/09

5/27/09

6/06/09

Switched to flower on 7/04/09

7/13/09

8/03/09 1 week before harvest

I took clones on 4/20/09 and they all succesfully rooted on 4/25/09.

I harvested this plant on 8/10/09 (She was a bit smaller than her sisters)

Edit: In the last pic I was flushing with plain water, so thats why the leaves have turned a lighter green. Nute def

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OK, those pictures do not correspond to the dates or the stages you have stated. How do you post a picture of a plant with developed buds that is clearly a few weeks into flower and say "switched to flower" on this date?

The development in most of those pictures clearly does not correspond with the dates you posted.

I know those plants are at least a month or more older than what you are claiming.

Plants vegged for 2-3 weeks would be around waist height if grown hydroponically. Soil grown clones would not be that large after 2-3 weeks; not a chance. And what is the strain?

Looking back, I noticed something else. Once plants begin flowering, they pretty much stop growing in size. Yet in your pictures your plants seem to continue to increase in size at a rapid pace even while flowering. Sorry, but Cannibus just doesn't do that. Those are pictures of different plants grown for different lengths of time.

Nice try though.

RickWhite said:

OK, those pictures do not correspond to the dates or the stages you have stated. How do you post a picture of a plant with developed buds that is clearly a few weeks into flower and say "switched to flower" on this date?

The development in most of those pictures clearly does not correspond with the dates you posted.

I know those plants are at least a month or more older than what you are claiming.

Plants vegged for 2-3 weeks would be around waist height if grown hydroponically. Soil grown clones would not be that large after 2-3 weeks; not a chance. And what is the strain?

Looking back, I noticed something else. Once plants begin flowering, they pretty much stop growing in size. Yet in your pictures your plants seem to continue to increase in size at a rapid pace even while flowering. Sorry, but Cannibus just doesn't do that. Those are pictures of different plants grown for different lengths of time.

Nice try though.

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I hope you are man enough to admit when youre wrong.

Same plant, same grow. I had a journal throughout the entire grow. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/188571-bubba-kush-x-deep-chunk.html But I guess you missed it

Im sorry you are upset my plants continue to grow after I switch to flowering. But your jealousy needs to be contained on your end. Because now you just look like a jack ass/

Here, Ill post direct links to each post so you dont have to scroll through my entire journal



5/27/09 One month of growing.
https://www.rollitup.org/2547305-post47.html

5/29/09 I already had hairs growing in veg!!!
https://www.rollitup.org/2550353-post50.html

6/06/09 Getting BIGGER and BIGGER
https://www.rollitup.org/2582794-post78.html

6/18/09 This is the day I switched Bertha to flowering. Not 7/04/09 like I previously stated. Sorry for the mix up I am smoking some high quality cannabis right now
https://www.rollitup.org/2626667-post101.html

Edit: The strain is Bubba Kush. Im sure Ak47 would have been more rapid growth and taller. We'll see next year

UB, I agree that every technique is going to have its advantages and disadvantages. Why would you say Heath's plants looked unhealthy? I have read your posts before (I'm a regular lurker on your tweeking thread) I am interested in what makes those plants look unhealthy. Also if you don't mind, what do you think the disadvantages of a vert grow are? HELL do YOU see any advantages?
I appreciate your contribution to the thread, and I know you have a lot of great info this could be a good start to a mature discussion of advantages and disadvantages. Then we can learn how maximize and mitigate accordingly. You grow tasty looking plants nobody can deny that. Tasty and happy.
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BTF, dank looking grows my friend! Those bud shots have such great color. Man pot plants are just great looking flowers, seriously beautiful. I appreciate, the mini journal of Bertha; nice quick timeline, 7 week flower.. Man I wish, I like my sativa though.
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TheHiena, Are those WW’s? It’s funny how that grow looks like a little grow but you have like 9 5 gallon buckets, deff. Not stealth. They look sweet and stanky =) Are those little ladies starting to reach for the screen? Are you rotating the plants at all? Seriously nice lookin plants
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RickWhite, plants can double even tripple in size during flowring.

Uncle Ben said:

One thing that is a given, all the plants that are given vertical lighting look pretty unhealthy, and that includes Heath Robinson's stuff. Didn't bother with the whole thread but has anyone introduced the complication of phototropism? Anyway you slice it, both vertical and horizontal lighting comes with its own demons.

UB

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explain yourself

cerberus said:

UB, I agree that every technique is going to have its advantages and disadvantages. Why would you say Heath's plants looked unhealthy? I have read your posts before (I'm a regular lurker on your tweeking thread) I am interested in what makes those plants look unhealthy. Also if you don't mind, what do you think the disadvantages of a vert grow are? HELL do YOU see any advantages?
I appreciate your contribution to the thread, and I know you have a lot of great info this could be a good start to a mature discussion of advantages and disadvantages. Then we can learn how maximize and mitigate accordingly. You grow tasty looking plants nobody can deny that. Tasty and happy.
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very well put
to use a word like unhealthy and never exsplain why is wrong
no one anywhere would argue that all forms of growing has hang ups and take many grows to master
but to say one perticular style produces unhealthy looking bud must be proven
especially when we are all looking at the same pics as you - maybe there's omething wrong with my monitor- maybe you used the wrong words and ment to say something else
even CFL haters give better discription then unhealthy look buds - i love a good debate ,and if you can just provide proof of what you say that would be love
either way i plain on going vert , i'ev already made up my mind

Wuttup fellow vert homies!

I just started my 3 Growwalls with 63 cherrybomb cuttings in my homemade stealth cab gettin powered by one 600w cooltubed, and with airconditioning.

It might be ambitious but with my co2 im hoping to get at least 2-5 pounds this first time.

out.
PurfectStorm

RickWhite said:

The development in most of those pictures clearly does not correspond with the dates you posted.

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You're nitpicking, and for what reason?

I know those plants are at least a month or more older than what you are claiming.

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Now you're calling him a liar. Not cool. Post up if your stuff differs.

Plants vegged for 2-3 weeks would be around waist height if grown hydroponically. Soil grown clones would not be that large after 2-3 weeks; not a chance. And what is the strain?

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My soil grown plants surpass hydro regarding vigor,yield, etc.

Looking back, I noticed something else. Once plants begin flowering, they pretty much stop growing in size.

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That's when they really take off.

This is not about theory. Grow, then you'll understand what the stretch is all about.

Yeah, nice try.

yea when you switch to flower they seem to always grow pretty fast the first couple weeks

cerberus said:

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TheHiena, Are those WW’s? It’s funny how that grow looks like a little grow but you have like 9 5 gallon buckets, deff. Not stealth. They look sweet and stanky =) Are those little ladies starting to reach for the screen? Are you rotating the plants at all? Seriously nice lookin plants
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Hi Cerberus, yeah my plants look funny but they still provide for me this are White Widow and the buckets you see are 2 gal. buckets, it's a system call Ebb n Grow. I only rotate the plants the first two weeks of flowering and I think I trimed a lot this time because I don't see many branches touching the screen yet. Good Luck.

bigtomatofarmer said:

6/18/09 This is the day I switched Bertha to flowering. Not 7/04/09 like I previously stated. Sorry for the mix up I am smoking some high quality cannabis right now
https://www.rollitup.org/2626667-post101.html

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So if I'm right why are you talking shit? That is a 3 week discrepancy.

I'm not trying to bash you, that is a fine looking plant. You can't blame me for noticing a discrepancy.

Looking back, you are talking 7 weeks veg time. So your total grow minus clone time was 15-16 weeks or so? A total grow time minus clone of 9-10 weeks should yield 1g/W. So you should be at 1.6G/W just to break even.

Uncle Ben said:

You're nitpicking, and for what reason?

Now you're calling him a liar. Not cool. Post up if your stuff differs.

My soil grown plants surpass hydro regarding vigor,yield, etc.

That's when they really take off.

This is not about theory. Grow, then you'll understand what the stretch is all about.

Yeah, nice try.

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Too bad there isn't an emoticon of a guy jerking off.

Why do you assume you know more than people? FYI, I have spliced plant genes in college for my bio major. I might know a little something about growing (which is really quite simple).

I do not post any proof or admissions of any illegal activity on line. Everything I discuss is strictly academic.

I know about the two week stretch that occurs when one switches to flower. I also know that after the stretch when actual buds appear the vertical growth of the plant pretty much stops as energy goes into bud production.

But see above. I was right about the flowering switch being 3 weeks earlier.

RickWhite said:

So if I'm right why are you talking shit? That is a 3 week discrepancy.

I'm not trying to bash you, that is a fine looking plant. You can't blame me for noticing a discrepancy.

Looking back, you are talking 7 weeks veg time. So your total grow minus clone time was 15-16 weeks or so? A total grow time minus clone of 9-10 weeks should yield 1g/W. So you should be at 1.6G/W just to break even.

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Ok, you were right about one thing. This picture. The date of the picture is correct, but the caption I added to it is not. I was copying and pasteing from my journal and forgot to upload the real picture from 6/18/09. Get over it . If you smoked weed Im sure you would be able to understand a minor mistake. (which I corrected and admitted to)



However, you are completely wrong in these 5 statements.

1) quote rickwhite = The development in most of those pictures clearly does not correspond with the dates you posted
2) quote rickwhite = I know those plants are at least a month or more older than what you are claiming
3) quote rickwhite = Plants vegged for 2-3 weeks would be around waist height if grown hydroponically. Soil grown clones would not be that large after 2-3 weeks; not a chance
4) quote rickwhite = Once plants begin flowering, they pretty much stop growing in size. Yet in your pictures your plants seem to continue to increase in size at a rapid pace even while flowering.
5) quote rickwhite = Sorry, but Cannibus just doesn't do that. Those are pictures of different plants grown for different lengths of time.


It seems like you only talk academic because of your lack of experience. So like I said before... Are you man enough to admit when you're wrong?

PurfectStorm... I don't care how you're growing but you aren't going to get 2-5 pounds off of a 600 watt... especially not your first time. You'll be lucky to get 1 pound if all goes well.

This is just the Porsche GT2 of growing methods ... there is no alternative ... it is the best, most innovative design of it's time ...

PS - Heath deserves a medal ... he's the Rick James of herb growing

Redeflect said:

PurfectStorm... I don't care how you're growing but you aren't going to get 2-5 pounds off of a 600 watt... especially not your first time. You'll be lucky to get 1 pound if all goes well.

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we'll see man, its not my first grow, just the first with this setup, and if you look way back at the grower malachi 's journals he was pulling 1-3 ounces per plant in his growwalls with 1000watters, so i feel 63 plants should net me a lil more than ur one pound estimate.

RickWhite said:

Once plants begin flowering, they pretty much stop growing in size. Yet in your pictures your plants seem to continue to increase in size at a rapid pace even while flowering. Sorry, but Cannibus just doesn't do that. Those are pictures of different plants grown for different lengths of time.

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i really liked this one. the guy is so full of ignorance its amazing. different cannibus plants act differently at different stages.

i had a plant that went to 5x size from when flowering started to when i harvested. it was still growing at 8 weeks after i turned the light, and i had to keep tying it down to stop it getting above the light hood.

RickWhite said:

Too bad there isn't an emoticon of a guy jerking off.

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Perhaps they can put in a request, just for you.

Why do you assume you know more than people?

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Because I've been growing every kind of plant material under the sun both for fun and commerically since the 60's. That qualifies me as experienced (but still learning).

FYI, I have spliced plant genes in college for my bio major. I might know a little something about growing (which is really quite simple).

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I just sliced some bananas and had them over my cereal.

I do not post any proof or admissions of any illegal activity on line. Everything I discuss is strictly academic.

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Academic is theory. Theory is fine if you apply it.

I know about the two week stretch that occurs when one switches to flower.

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To be anal, it's actually closer to a 60/40 ratio for your typical hybrid. Taking an 8 week flowering session, that would be about 5 weeks stretching, 3 weeks finishing.

UB

RickWhite said:

Plants vegged for 2-3 weeks would be around waist height if grown hydroponically.

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I don't think so.

Soil grown clones would not be that large after 2-3 weeks; not a chance.

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This soil grown male Peak19 was 3 weeks old vegged and put into flower a few days after this photo was taken. Leafsets are as big as dinner plates.



It's all about plant health.

UB

Guys, I'm not going to argue about silly shit. If you claim to have plants that continue a vegetative growth pattern after flower so be it - I'll believe it when I see it.Getting back to the point - what was the total grow time (sans cloning)? I believe it was around 16 weeks correct? I can harvest 1g/Watt in 10 weeks so you do the math.

RickWhite said:

Guys, I'm not going to argue about silly shit. If you claim to have plants that continue a vegetative growth pattern after flower so be it - I'll believe it when I see it.Getting back to the point - what was the total grow time (sans cloning)? I believe it was around 16 weeks correct? I can harvest 1g/Watt in 10 weeks so you do the math.

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Priceless Rick. You aren't going to argue? Lol.

I have serious doubts you've ever grown marijuana.

Splicing Genes isn't the same as growing a plant, sorry.

bigtomatofarmer said:

So like I said before... Are you man enough to admit when you're wrong?

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Apparently not.