Vegging growth speed and flowering time.

Helmut79

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I'd like to start off with a couple of quotes:

Biggest yield belongs to the longest flowering plants usually. For fast turnover you want the fastest vegging plants as they will be turning 12/12 early for a sea of green. Grow a ton of little plants over and over as fast as possible. Yield per year not per plant.
Selecting slow growing plants is redundant, after you have done two grows ive completed three and outyielded your slow growers by a few hundred grams. Biological efficiency is a general rule we can apply, never have i had a small veg plant finish with bigger yeild than a bigger veg plant of the same strain.
Now could anyone please tell me if there is a connection between growth speed at veg and flowering time? Or is the answer going to be that there are so many variables in plant characteristics that it's impossible to guess the flowering time based on growth speed at veg stage?
 

MichiganMedGrower

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I'd like to start off with a couple of quotes:





Now could anyone please tell me if there is a connection between growth speed at veg and flowering time? Or is the answer going to be that there are so many variables in plant characteristics that it's impossible to guess the flowering time based on growth speed at veg stage?

Dude Odin already told you the answer in the other thread. We know nothing until that particular plant has finished. The only way to control what you want is to already have a dialed in high yielding cutting to run.

Or use highly stabilized seeds that you have already grown and trust.
 

Helmut79

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There were also other people besides Odin who had something to say. Few examples:

1)
My experince indoors is the most vigirous will produce the most, not the best...
2) High yeilding plants that are slow to veg is not a commercially desired traits over a high yeilding plants that are quick to veg. From a business point of veiw id say your crazy looking for slow growing plants at any stage.
3) If you want the biggest yields then clone the fastest and biggest plants and select from them, if you want the best quality grow 100 plants and select the strongest. Lets not confuse simple practice.
4) For fast turnover you want the fastest vegging plants as they will be turning 12/12 early for a sea of green. That is the best way for business if you don’t care about plant potential. Grow a ton of little plants over and over as fast as possible. Yield per year not per plant.
5) Selecting slow growing plants is redundant, after you have done two grows ive completed three and outyielded your slow growers by a few hundred grams. Biological efficiency is a general rule we can apply, never have i had a small veg plant finish with bigger yeild than a bigger veg plant of the same strain.
6) On many occasions the strongest vegging plants will perform strong in flower. You can use it as a guide yes. But to say it's an absolute evey time would be misleading.
7) If you have a small number of bought seeds, grow and clone every one. If you have a ton of your own F2s or crosses, sprout as many as you can in your available space and then have several rounds of elimination, removing the runts and stragglers as they grow and crowd each other out. Breeder Steve pops thousands of seeds at once and then cherry picks while they are still very small. You can spot leaf shape, internode spacing and vigor very early on.
8 ) What if you have 10,000 seeds? You couldn't possibly grow them all out. You can't spot keepers in seedling stage, but you can remove the plants that exhibit unwanted or less desirable traits early on. Whorled phyllotaxy/triploid for example. If you sprout more seeds than you need, you can remove those, and those show right away. If you only sprout as many as you will flower, you're stuck growing them. It's a numbers game and the more you start with the more choosey you can be and the more likey you will end up with phenos that exhibit traits that you want.
 

Helmut79

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I'm seeing different opinions on this matter and I'd like to see more discussion.

The question I asked now is different and it remains - Is there a connection between growth speed at veg and flowering time? Or is the answer going to be that there are so many variables in plant characteristics that it's impossible to guess the flowering time based on growth speed at veg stage?

One opinion from one person is good. Few more is even better. Many contradictory opinions is best - this is how a discussion is born.
 

ChaosHunter

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The fastest seed to harvest would be a auto flowering strain. I've always had the rule as 4 week veg and 8 weeks flower is the bare minimum,99% of what's out there will take longer. There are too many variables and grow styles that can change the outcome. There is no magical powder, liquid or silver bullet that can change what is genetically set.
 

MichiganMedGrower

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I'm seeing different opinions on this matter and I'd like to see more discussion.

The question I asked now is different and it remains - Is there a connection between growth speed at veg and flowering time? Or is the answer going to be that there are so many variables in plant characteristics that it's impossible to guess the flowering time based on growth speed at veg stage?

One opinion from one person is good. Few more is even better. Many contradictory opinions is best - this is how a discussion is born.

No matter how many ways you ask this question the answer is until you Flower the particular seed plant you can’t know for sure any final trait.

And practice growing it if you keep a cutting will improve the original results and experimentation will show how best to grow the cut.

I grow a different seed every week staggared perpetually. Each time can be different or similar I never know. If I want uniformity I keep the cuttings and run them.
 

SPLFreak808

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I dont think veg speed has any correlation between flowering time, not unless its a genetic trait which you would never know untill you run it controlled experiment style.
 
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