Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

sippinslurpies said:

Ive never understood "Organics" because again the chemicals that go into making Hydro nutes are "Organic Chemicals".

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Organic Chemical? What happens to these organic chemicals exactly? I mean, are these organic chemicals mined and put into a bottle, or is there a "chemical" or "organic chemical" process in to which they are made?

If you go by the chemical definition of the word organic then sure, hydro nutes can be considered organic because they contain carbon. But unless you can collect these mineral salts on your own and process them into fertilizer on your own without the use of additional chemicals and chemical processes, then you can't really consider it organic. I grow with compost and fermented plant extracts as my main source of nutrients. Pretty easy to see why we'd call that organic and say that hydro nutes aren't.

But if you'd really like to find out the difference, read through this thread and grab some info. And give plant-based organics a shot on a couple of your plants, once you've tasted the difference you won't be likely to go back.

Matt Rize said:

im not dead or locked up! just without internet at the ranch...
[video=youtube;GTz17WKLZuI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTz17WKLZuI[/video]

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Now my shit isn't unique its a damn copy cat cause I live nowhere close to you bro and I know were mine was made.
I'm not a big glass guy and don't know shit about it I just got this piece for oil rig mostly but damn design is the same. O'well what do ya do. It is a nice bong though with cool metalic in colors. And def thick cause I tipped a couple times falling on a slate floor...ouch but nothin. First worked piece Ive had. Ash catcher was supposed to be a parallel to piece but blower didn't custom shit just sent the same catcher I saw at store......lazy fuck.
Sry for the dirty bong pics Im outta alcohol. Peace Veganers
Also on the head of the mushroom in middle is like a red vein lines(can't see drty) and is sick hopefully there isn't a ton of those out there.

Whats everyone's thoughts on humic acids? Are you using them in your current veganic regimen?

trichmasta said:

Whats everyone's thoughts on humic acids? Are you using them in your current veganic regimen?

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I'm using the Bioag Fulpower. I just bought a 5 gal container of it.

Humic Fulvic are great IMO. Fulvic acid is smaller molecules with more oxygen than humic acid so it really aids with nutrient uptake through cell membranes. These acids increase the uptake and 'presentation' of our liquid nutes to the microbes in the rhizosphere and the roots. I really like fulvic for foliar sprays as well. I currently run Fulvex (OMRI listed fulvic acid and micros) as my main fulvic product.

I also recently switched from GO Cal mag to two products by SaferGro; Calcium (5%Ca) and Fulmag (0.5%Mg). The second also contains fulvic acid. I read on the web that these blew the GO stuff away at just 1/4 tsp/gallon each in a very thorough side by side. I am running the calcium closer to 2ml/gal and the fulmag at 4ml/gal and so far so good, but its really too early to tell. Its nice to have more precise control if you don't mind another bottle.

Kushman recomended shooting for 3-6% Ca and 2-3%Mg depending on variety of course. This is why I decided on going a little harder than 1/4 tsp/gal on Safergro's stuff.

Thanks kalyx!! Yeah I wanna take advantage of all my veganic goodness in the rhizo and provide perfect bioavailability for all my ladies to enjoy, so I thought a humic was a great soulution!! Great to here others success and products/s of choice. I've got my micros dialed with my organa add, so I'm leaning towards ful power by bio ag and hum-bolt by humboldt nutetrients. I'm a little turned off by the 20/30ml/g recommended with the ful power...that would be near 240 ml per use

bioAg is an excellent company with high-quality products, you don't need to use anywhere near their recommended amounts, I do 20ml/gal every other week or so, but my regular application is 3ml to 5ml/gal every other watering maybe, fulpower puts hum-bolt to shame lol, try their TM7 also for micros

Good tips thanks bluej!! Gonna give the ful power a go for sure!! I use organa add as my micro, but the tm7 looks like another quality product. Also gonna add some insect frass to my brews and during transplant. Looks like a great veganic addition

I use the tm-7 in my mix and Fulpower in my teas as well.

Been running Natures Nectars full line with great success, but I'm almost out and considering GO?? Same price range, still vegan, ?? Considering the biothrive grow, bloom, and the biobud.

Irievibes all!!

trichmasta said:

Been running Natures Nectars full line with great success, but I'm almost out and considering GO?? Same price range, still vegan, ?? Considering the biothrive grow, bloom, and the biobud.

Irievibes all!!

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Technically the GO line would be more vegan . I recommend some of the GO line, but to be honest, I use the Bio Vega and Bio Flores because it comes out to around the same cost, maybe a little more for the Flores, and the Bio Canna just produces a better taste in the end. But I stopped using the Bio Boost because it's a ripoff and it seems like the GO Bio Bud is supposed to do the same thing for 4,000 times cheaper. I'm not using the Bio Root anymore in flower because of GMO ingredients though, just a personal concern. But I'm still using it in veg and liking it. And the CalMag is great when I don't feel like carrying in rainwater.

Yeah it's for sure more vegan, and is more balanced/potent, and just a bit cheaper. Like I said, I've had success with NN, but I'm intrigued by something more complete and clean! The bio canna is just way too pricey for my budget and still needs way too much amending for me...

Edit-think I can get away with using the Humboldt bloom 0-10-0 and Soluble Seaweed instead of Biobud?? Seems like this duo would kick ass all over the biobud, plus I already have them

trichmasta said:

Yeah it's for sure more vegan, and is more balanced/potent, and just a bit cheaper. Like I said, I've had success with NN, but I'm intrigued by something more complete and clean! The bio canna is just way too pricey for my budget and still needs way too much amending for me...

Edit-think I can get away with using the Humboldt bloom 0-10-0 and Soluble Seaweed instead of Biobud?? Seems like this duo would kick ass all over the biobud, plus I already have them

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Like I said, the Bio Canna is only more pricey if you use the whole line, if you just use the vega and flores it's really not. And you should be using all three of those unless you're using another kelp product or something else for potassium. You can just cook banana peels into ashes and use those for potassium, it's free. And the Bio Bud is cheap, don't be fooled by the price. You only use 2 or 3 ml per gallon. If you can't afford the bio bud right now it's not gonna make or break your harvest I'm sure. It's just one of those little kick products and it's all organic. Your pot will grow either way, or you can just pick it up later. The 0-10-0 is hard to use as well if you haven't tried it yet. It's very thick and chalky. I actually just fill up empty water bottles with the squirt cap and squirt the amount I want over the soil on each plant before I water. It just sits there waiting for the water to dissolve it. But if I try to mix it in my sprayer, it just stays at the bottom no matter how much I shake it.

I use Budswell 0-7-0. It is really thin and mixes in really nicely, though it is made from guano. It is some great stuff though. Best organic phos source I've used.

Crab shell meal, 2-4-0 or something like that, plus it's loaded with calcium carbonate and chitin, and its not poop . Screw the poo.

Screw the pooganics! (Until soil building time and my Vital Earth's guanos come)

Heck with fishganics!

VEGANICS for the win, for quality and medicinal value.

Im probly a day late and a dollar shor but ima add my 2 cents... Gotta say matt you've inspired me to switch from hydro/orgainc in coco to straight v-ganics in a peat based mix... Not only did you take organics to the next level you also grow my alltime favorite strain.... ever.. VORTEX... Only sativa dom hybrid than can knock a kush smokers !@#$ in the dirt!! My new hero reppin my old idol.. CRAZY... Still suprised sooooo many peolpe dont know about tga, subcool or his gear... feirce... Plus was reasearching a pink pheno strain hours before i read this thread when low and behold i kept reading and bammmm.. PLUSHBERRY!!! Like no freakin way!! if this isnt fate i dont know is.. lol.. ... Anyways was reading somewhere on the net that "cilantro" has the ability to detoxify and extract heavy metals out of the body via the urine... So im thinking if i make a FPE (fermented plant extract) with it and feed it to a plant that has had synthetics could this possibly flush them out?... just a thot... Also I noticed you live in cali and are using RO water... If so, you proly know there is sodium flouride, (which is toxic and deadly when consumed) (also in decon/riddex rat poison) and also sodium bromate (banned 5+years in the uk for causing cancer and birth defects) and god knows what other chemicals in the water and if you know basic chemistry, then you know they bond with the oxygen and hydrogen molecules, and therefore are bonded for life... same reason BHO is no good.. butane binds with the plant resins!!! No ammount of heating or purging will remove this!!! Reverse Osmosis only takes out the tds (total disolved solids for you newbs) boron, copper, calcium, magnesium, extc..leaving behind the toxic flouride and bromate still in the water!! ... NOT ORGANIC!!! Just an FYI!!! I recently found this out and am switching to distilled spring water!! More expensive, but the only true organic way to go!!! Just thot id share my 2 cents... Keep it organic/veganic and RIZE UP.... stonerwithacold... .....

There are some things you just wont get from Veganics. I tried for a long while to make it happen, but I eventually just gave in an started using the Budswell again. It is super refined and thin. You have to find what works for you in your grow. If you are happy with your vegan run more power to you. I wasn't happy with it. It gave good results, but not great results. So I added back in the Budswell to help with density and it adds some really nice aromas and flavors. To each his own though. A wise grower always told me, grow your grow as you grow. Find what works for you and run with it. Is Matt even still doing Veganics? lol

Right there with ya night bird, but I'm tellin ya, add some crab meal to your soil mix, you'll like it a lot better than budswel!

i went on a binge after straight plant based runs and added fish meal and fish bone meal and crab meal, going forward I will only re-amend with the crab meal, besides that all my other inputs are plant and mineral based. Living organic recycled soil AND no till is where it's at . Compost compost compost!

I agree that it is tougher to get pooganic yields with veganics, and that gardening is personal preferences first.

Budswel is a superb product and it really does add tons of flavor and the liquid works well in any method. It is twice as concentrated as ff big bloom and retails cheaper, it has very similar ingredients.

I probably would have jumped ship on veganics by now also if not for 4 things:

1. I grow primarily for quality. Quality of the resin is more important than the flower quality and quantity. Veganics is utmost quality and smoothness.
2. I bought the 5L jugs of biocanna when I had a chance at wholesale cost. I have a lot of vega left but flores and boost are getting down there.
3. I recently attended Kushman's veganic talks and got to meet and blaze my veganics with him. He motivated me to stay with it and feed harder to make it happen.
4. Amazing full melt Ice Wax.........................................RIZE UP!

Whats next? All AACT nourished crops, large bed growing and water only mixes seem to be the most interesting. Living soil all the way tho. Maybe even poo!?