Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

GreenChile

GreenChile

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What about dropping the PH, I heard through the grapevine that flushing with sugar and raw fresh lemon juice dilluted in water worked well for flushing. Ive never done it personally but it seemed to make since in theory. The sugar helps flush the soil while the low ph from the lemon juice create a nutrient lockout?
 
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Buddy Hemphill

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GreenChile said:
What about dropping the PH, I heard through the grapevine that flushing with sugar and raw fresh lemon juice dilluted in water worked well for flushing. Ive never done it personally but it seemed to make since in theory. The sugar helps flush the soil while the low ph from the lemon juice create a nutrient lockout?
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How the hell ddoes sugar flush soil?

Wht would you want to flush soil at harvest? The point is flushing your plants.....

which brings up....how the hell can you flush your plants if they wont uptake anything due to lock out?


Thats crazy and incorrect.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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GreenChile said:
What about dropping the PH, I heard through the grapevine that flushing with sugar and raw fresh lemon juice dilluted in water worked well for flushing. Ive never done it personally but it seemed to make since in theory. The sugar helps flush the soil while the low ph from the lemon juice create a nutrient lockout?
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If you are not loading your plants with chemical fertilizers, then flushing isnt really something to think about. And on top of that, anyone who thinks you can remove bad stuff from plants, by feeding them sugar, needs to go to school. Flushing is a joke. Just give your plants plain pH adjusted water at the end. Sometimes I give them a little sugar, just because I use RO water and it has nothing at all in it.
Buddy Hemphill said:
How the hell ddoes sugar flush soil?
Wht would you want to flush soil at harvest? The point is flushing your plants.....
which brings up....how the hell can you flush your plants if they wont uptake anything due to lock out?
Thats crazy and incorrect.
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Yeah, low pH flush, I have not heard of that. I say keep it simple. Water at the end, maybe a little agave syrup or evaporated sugar.
 
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Buddy Hemphill

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word.

I continue feeding the herd until the end...molasses is what I have now.

I want to try organic corn syrup next.


Is agave better than organic corn...syrup, that is?
 
Rising Moon

Rising Moon

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I would say, go with what is available locally, the difference in results is negligible compared to the difference in the way all these products are manufactured.

For example where I live, the locally available sources of "sugar" are maple syrup, maple sugar and honey.

I personally use local, organic, raw honey, because its alive with enzymes and trace minerals, and I get it from the farmer who makes it.

Good for people, good for plants, good for the planet.

Peace.
 
silverpanic99

silverpanic99

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this may have been mentioned before and if it has I apologize....but what is a good way to adjust pH down in a vegan/organic manner?
 
Rising Moon

Rising Moon

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There are a couple of great Veganic information resources out there, mostly applied to vegetable production, but Cannabis is a vegetable, it was just taken away from farmers many years ago...

One of them is a book called: Growing Green (Animal-Free Organic Techniques) by Jenny Hall and Iain Tolhurst

I own this book, and have read it front to back many times, and flip through it regularly, it has tons of info and acts as a guidebook for Veganic farms in Europe and beyond...

Another good resource is the Vegan Organic Network (veganorganic.net) they have pdf files you can download with info about making fertilizers, composting etc...

Anyways, happy growing, thanks for sharing valuable info!

Silverpanic99: PH down= Raw Apple Cider Viniger
 
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dickkhead

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Rising Moon said:
There are a couple of great Veganic information resources out there, mostly applied to vegetable production, but Cannabis is a vegetable, it was just taken away from farmers many years ago...

One of them is a book called: Growing Green (Animal-Free Organic Techniques) by Jenny Hall and Iain Tolhurst

I own this book, and have read it front to back many times, and flip through it regularly, it has tons of info and acts as a guidebook for Veganic farms in Europe and beyond...

Another good resource is the Vegan Organic Network (veganorganic.net) they have pdf files you can download with info about making fertilizers, composting etc...

Anyways, happy growing, thanks for sharing valuable info!

Silverpanic99: PH down= Raw Apple Cider Viniger
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from what ive been told cannibus is a fruit not a vegetable! just sayin
 
GreenChile

GreenChile

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Matt Rize said:
If you are not loading your plants with chemical fertilizers, then flushing isnt really something to think about. And on top of that, anyone who thinks you can remove bad stuff from plants, by feeding them sugar, needs to go to school. Flushing is a joke. Just give your plants plain pH adjusted water at the end. Sometimes I give them a little sugar, just because I use RO water and it has nothing at all in it.
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Well I wasnt implying that I could remove "bad stuff" using sugar, I actually do go to school (grad school) and I was under the assumption that the sugar was a supplemental carbohydrate source for the plant since nutrient levels are low during flushing. I also believed the sugar helped feed soil microbes, but then again im not a biology student... :)
I grow using a personally revised Subcool Super Soil recipe while I supplement with lots of enzymes and beneficial microbes.
Obviously you’re not going to believe me but when I used alot of animal based nitrogen products like blood meal and bat poo, I have absolutely noticed a more undesirable bitter taste to the finished product. So I would flush with tap water, then RO water a day or two before harvest hoping that it would help "flush" out some of the poop that seems to be adding the bitter taste. As of recently though, I have switched to using just worm castings and nitrogen fixing bacteria for a nitrogen source. I’ve also added a secret plant based compost I make which has replaced the bitter taste with a subtle sweet/cleaner taste.
I still "flush" before harvest but only because I haven’t yet grown a control group of flushed vs. Unflushed to see if there is a difference, like there was when I used guano and blood meal.

The lowering of PH using lemon extract in theory slowly lowers the PH over a period of time tell lockout occurs which stops nutrients from being taken into the plant as a theorized method for removing nutrients from the plant before harvest without having to resort to dumping tons of water over the roots, which drowns them of oxygen causing nutrients to, in theory, trap undesired nutrients in the plant, which can contradict the sole purpose of flushing. I don’t know if it works or not but will experiment as soon as I can get a control group growing.

But I do think there’s alot of unnecessary rumors floating around when it comes to growing in soil. Aslong as the macronutrients are there, the plant will feed at will and you’ll get pretty stellar plants. Too many people obsess and add a bunch of crap that actually contributes to an unhealthy plant, when all they gotta do is monitor PH and make sure the soil remains slightly moist while keeping the surrounding environment stable. ​
 
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SlightlyVaped

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Matt - made a bonehead mistake today. Was cleaning up and somehow hit my timer switch from timer to ON while the girls should of been in a dark period. I didn't notice until after an hour later when I felt hot air coming out of the ducts and quickly turned the lights off, now what to do...

So do I give them 12 straight hours of darkness/4 hours on then 12 off to get back to schedule or leave them off over 24 hours until the next light schedule?

They are in their last week of flower (5 or 6 more days), so should I just chop and make hash haha.
 
GreenChile

GreenChile

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Im not Matt, but 1 hour of light 6 days before harvest isnt bad. Just pretend like it didnt happen. Your plant is so close to being mature that its not going to make a difference.
....right, Matt?
 
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blueJ

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Yeah don't even trip slightlyVaped, just keep the lights back to it's regular schedule and no harm done. Once i didn't know the timer had broken (years ago and a cheap walmart $5 time) so when it "clicked" off it didn't actually cut the electricity (24 hour light). I never visited the grow unless the lights were on, so a few weeks went by and oh fuck no further flowering, like they were stunted, then these strange little mutated leafy stems started shooting out of the buds and i was screwed, 20 plants under 2200w, fucked over from that! So yeah, a day of screwy lights, no worries :)

And about the flushing, in pure organics, flushing shouldn't even be a part of the vocabulary. By design you are feeding less or not at all in the last two weeks of flower anyways since the plant has pretty much done it's thing, so it's a type of flush without really actively flushing, ya know? I finish in 5 or 7 or sometimes 10 gallon buckets, no drainage, an inch or two of perlite on the bottom to buffer any overwaterings, when it's cut the perlite is just teaming solid with roots and oddly enough i notice having to water more often then when i use bags or pots with drainage.
 
silverpanic99

silverpanic99

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blueJ said:
Yeah don't even trip slightlyVaped, just keep the lights back to it's regular schedule and no harm done. Once i didn't know the timer had broken (years ago and a cheap walmart $5 time) so when it "clicked" off it didn't actually cut the electricity (24 hour light). I never visited the grow unless the lights were on, so a few weeks went by and oh fuck no further flowering, like they were stunted, then these strange little mutated leafy stems started shooting out of the buds and i was screwed, 20 plants under 2200w, fucked over from that! So yeah, a day of screwy lights, no worries :)

And about the flushing, in pure organics, flushing shouldn't even be a part of the vocabulary. By design you are feeding less or not at all in the last two weeks of flower anyways since the plant has pretty much done it's thing, so it's a type of flush without really actively flushing, ya know? I finish in 5 or 7 or sometimes 10 gallon buckets, no drainage, an inch or two of perlite on the bottom to buffer any overwaterings, when it's cut the perlite is just teaming solid with roots and oddly enough i notice having to water more often then when i use bags or pots with drainage.
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interesting information there.
 
SketchyGrower

SketchyGrower

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Hey Matt, just got my line of biocanna back running. Using it on a batch of three plants till I get the swing of things again.. I'm using

Floras
Vega
Boost
Hygrozyme

Also have the cannazyme and rhizotonic* just not in use as of right now. If it's not to much trouble would you be able to tell me if I should pick up anything more? Such as cal/mag.. Trying to go organic... If this is a fail I may just try my hands at super soil..

Last time I ran the biocanna I only used boost and Flores and had tremendous problems with diff problems.. Best tasting smoke to date for me still tho...
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

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SketchyGrower said:
Hey Matt, just got my line of biocanna back running. Using it on a batch of three plants till I get the swing of things again.. I'm using

Floras
Vega
Boost
Hygrozyme

Also have the cannazyme and rhizotonic* just not in use as of right now. If it's not to much trouble would you be able to tell me if I should pick up anything more? Such as cal/mag.. Trying to go organic... If this is a fail I may just try my hands at super soil..

Last time I ran the biocanna I only used boost and Flores and had tremendous problems with diff problems.. Best tasting smoke to date for me still tho...
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Consider adding a CalMag supplement. I use the one from General Organics.
 
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