Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

dwrd

dwrd

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Ok Thanks. Sorry man but I have another question. I'm using a compost tea or (ACT) and it calls for 1/2 quart of compost and a 1/4 cup of activator per gallon of water! In your ACT example you said to use a scoop of compost, a tablespoon of molasses, a teaspoon of yucca. Also in the "It's Tea Time" article it said 2 cups of compost max for five gallons. So my question is do you think I'm adding to much compost and activator to my brewer?
 
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dwrd said:
Ok Thanks. Sorry man but I have another question. I'm using a compost tea or (ACT) and it calls for 1/2 quart of compost and a 1/4 cup of activator per gallon of water! In your ACT example you said to use a scoop of compost, a tablespoon of molasses, a teaspoon of yucca. Also in the "It's Tea Time" article it said 2 cups of compost max for five gallons. So my question is do you think I'm adding to much compost and activator to my brewer?
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That sounds like too much ingredients to me. I'm not really the pro on this topic (no microscope). But the recipe I listed is from a pro.
www.microbeorganics.com. This guy, Mr. Tim Wilson, knows his compost teas and then some. He actually has a patent on his methods.


post edit: warning, the trolls may be headed this way. just another day in the life of matt rize. RIZE UP RIU!!!

and welcome to CT Guy if he is reading this. He should be able to tell you way more than I about teas.
 
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711grower

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i love love love teas. i have converted to nothing but teas after using 800 worth of a AN nutes. i use a complex blend of bacterias and fungi. aqua shield by botinicare, mykos wp by rti, hygozyme, quantum light, roots oregonsim, and a product called biota max that has alot of trichoderma, nitrogen fixing bacteria, and pro biotics. i have also just started innoculating my teas with another product called genesis compound by progress earth. its some type of super humus. i find that each of these things has something more dominant then the other. i add worm castings, alaska humus, liquid sea weed, and some guano from time to time. mostly corn syrup to feed the benis. it seems like alot but i am spending far less then using some cannabis specific line up. this is my first grow with all teas and so far i am more then impressed. im only in to week 1 of flowing but my ladys look gracious. i am no expert by any means. i know this thread is about vegan growing and i do use some poops but i wanted to share my experience thus far with teas. love them....
 
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711grower said:
i love love love teas. i have converted to nothing but teas after using 800 worth of a AN nutes. i use a complex blend of bacterias and fungi. aqua shield by botinicare, mykos wp by rti, hygozyme, quantum light, roots oregonsim, and a product called biota max that has alot of trichoderma, nitrogen fixing bacteria, and pro biotics. i have also just started innoculating my teas with another product called genesis compound by progress earth. its some type of super humus. i find that each of these things has something more dominant then the other. i add worm castings, alaska humus, liquid sea weed, and some guano from time to time. mostly corn syrup to feed the benis. it seems like alot but i am spending far less then using some cannabis specific line up. this is my first grow with all teas and so far i am more then impressed. im only in to week 1 of flowing but my ladys look gracious. i am no expert by any means. i know this thread is about vegan growing and i do use some poops but i wanted to share my experience thus far with teas. love them....
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great post! there is a bunch of stuff in there that I have to google. Corn syrup? I have to look that one up too! And to be honest, my potting mix has some poo in it, I'm no purist, nor a real vegan. I just noticed the less poo I use, the more I like to smoke my herb. This is something I've been experimenting with for over a decade, starting with just kelps and sea animals, then no sea animals. I still use a little animal because it's in all the potting mixes.
 
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711grower

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yes corn syrup. its a fairly simple sugar to feed the micros. i am feeding light teas with every water. i have found that to much mollasses can actualy stunt growth thus i only use it once a week. mollases has alot of nutrients in it. corn syrup is just a carbohydrate source for the benis. i was using honey but it was starting to cost a fortune and i noticed no difference when switching to corn syrup. i am way to early into flower to see if this regimine is working but so far everything is super healthy. the medium i am using is 3 parts hp pro mix, 1 part roots organic soil, 1.5 parts perlite, a splash of lime and a few cups of earth worm castings. i recently got some clones that went into shock real bad and i honestly believe the teas saved there lives. heres a pick of the recent start of flowering
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S.V.T.

S.V.T.

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here's what I run. I use a diluted mix of the following and I feed almost every time.
This formula is mostly vegan, i think. I use a small boy water filter and I never ph.

veg: camg+, hygrozyme, b1 green, aquashield, mineral matrix, bio vega

bloom 1-2: camg+, hygrozyme, aquashield, b1 green, mineral matrix, bio vega
bloom 3: bio boost, camg+, hygrozyme, aquashield, b1 green, mineral matrix, bio vega, synergy
bloom 4-8: bio boost, camg+, hygrozyme, aquashield, b1 green, guano 0-2-0, soluble seaweed, mineral matrix, bio flores, synergy
bloom 9: one day flush with bio boost, molasses
 
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Here's some more veganic Chem 4, now on day 50. It's getting Flores, Bio Boost, molasses, Huvega, Calplex, Earthjuice Microblast, and occasional Great White.

S.V.T., you run B-1 through the entire cycle? I've only ever used it for new transplants. Do you think it makes a difference in flowering? I've got some I could use...
 

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Yes, I use b-1 through the entire cycle.

veg: 1-mL/gal

bloom:
week 1-3: 1-mL/gal
week 4-7: 3-mL/gal
week 8: 1-mL/gal

I think it makes a difference. I use B1, organa guano 0-2-0 at 5-mL/gal, and technaflora soluble seaweed at 4-grams/gal in weeks 4-7 as a boost. It works very well. I only use the seaweed a couple times. I noticed it complements the bio-boost nicely.
 
NightbirdX

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SVT if you could tell me how much you are using with each watering, I would appreciate it. I have been trying to balance out all the stuff I use and have been having a hard time.

How often are you guys watering and feeding your plants?

On another note, I have begun my first Veganic (mostly) indoor harvest. I would like to thank many of you who have helped me through it and coached and encouraged me. Matt Rize, Upthearsenal, and Wolverine97, many others also, but those were the ones that popped into my head. I harvested 2 AK-47 plants on Saturday. I am hoping to get around 5oz or so. My yield is going to be down a bit because of the problems in the beginning, but the quality is looking to be amazing. I gave my trim and small buds to my buddies to process into Hash Oil and they said that it was the purest and cleanest plant that they have processed into oil and the quality is amazing. I smoke a little bit of the small buds that have been drying for about 3 days and the flavor and smell are completely amazing. Much better than anything else I've grown on other nutrients. I still have a Great White Shark and Headband flushing and finishing for the next week. I can't wait for it to completely dry and to start curing. The GWS and Headband are looking to be even better than the AK.

Growing Veganically has been a journey and not the easiest at times, but the quality is unsurpassed as far as I'm concerned.
 
S.V.T.

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How often are you guys watering and feeding your plants?

watering...
I water like this. I hand water with a wand that has a head that air-rates the water. very slowly, never letting water pool. I like to see lots of bubbles on top of the soil. I'll spray each pot with a little water and repeat this until all of the soil is soaked. I do a few rounds on all the plants that are thirsty then let them soak for 15 or 20 then give them some more...etc. After they're soaked I'll let the pot almost completely dry out before watering again. I'll let the soil get pretty dry and water just before the leaves start to suffer. that's how i do it.

I feed depending on the strain. Indicas i tend to feed more often. Usually every watering with the schedule I've been using. Sativas I usually feed every other or every third. It really depends on the strain.
 
NightbirdX

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S.V.T. said:
How often are you guys watering and feeding your plants?

I feed depending on the strain. Indicas i tend to feed more often. Usually every watering with the schedule I've been using. Sativas I usually feed every other or every third. It really depends on the strain.
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What are you looking for in your plants to tell you they are ready? Are you looking for yellowing of the leaves or lack of growth?
 
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I'm looking at the color of the stems/branches, and the undersides of the leaves. If there's any purple streaking I'm probably going to feed them every time, or two out of three. note-I dilute almost everything I use a lot. If the stems and undersides of leaves are lime green I'll probably be in the feed/water/feed...etc. I tend to feed 70+ day strains every other time.
 
NightbirdX

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So I have been doing some research on mixing my own veganic supersoil and catch a hit off of google and who do I find talking about in on the MedicalMJ forums, but Matt Rize himself, lol. How is that research coming along? Have you guys figured out the alternatives to the Guano, Blood Meal, Fish Meal, and Worm Castings (maybe)?
 
upthearsenal

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Amendments and rating:
I had to leave out the poops, which are most of the phos sources. Maybe try some EWC/comfrey/alfalfa tea?

Greensand 0 1.5 7 Mined from old ocean deposits; used as soil conditioner; it holds water and is high in iron, magnesium, and silica - 32 trace minerals in all.
Eggshells 1.2 0.4 0.1 Contais calcium plus trace minerals. Dry first, then grind to powder.
Limestone (dolomitic) 0 0 0 Raises pH, 51% calcium and 40% magnesium.
Limestone (calcitic) 0 0 0 Raises pH, 65-80% calcium, 3-15% magnesium.
Crustacean Shells 4.6 3.52 0 Contain large amounts of lime. Should be ground as finely as possible for best results.
Wood Ashes 0 1.5 7 Very fast acting and highly alkaline (usually used to raise pH). Contains many micronutrients.
Crushed Granite 0 0 5 Contains 67% silicas and 19 trace minerals. Slow release over a long period of time.
Rock Phosphate 0 3 0 Contains 11 trace minerals. Slow release over a long period of time.
Epsom Salts 0 0 0 Provides Mg and acts as a balancer.

Herbal Tea Plant Food

1 t Comfrey leaves
1 t Alfalfa leaves
1 t Nettle leaves
1 Qt boiling water

Steep for 10 min. and let cool until luke warm. Drain the leaves out and add the luke warm tea to your plants to keep them healthy and vibrant!

The reason for adding slightly warm tea (or water) to your plants is that they will be able to absorb the needed nutrients more easily by keeping the root pores open verses cold tea (or water) will have a tendency to restrict the pores, meaning a much slower process of absorption.

Comfrey is called knitbone or healing herb. It is high in calcium, potassium and phosphorus, and also rich in vitamins A and C. The nutrients present in comfrey actually assist in the healing process since it contains allantoin.
Alfalfa is one of the most powerful nitrogen - fixers of all the legumes. It is strong in iron and is a good source of phosphorus, potassium, magnesium and trace minerals.
Nettles are helpful to stimulate fermentation in compost or manure piles and this helps to break down other organic materials in your planting soil. The plant is said to contain carbonic acid and ammonia which may be the fermentation factor. Nettles are rich in iron and have as much protein as cottonseed meal.
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Good stuff here, don't know about the shells though, I guess it doesn't matter if you're not being picky.
 
Wolverine97

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S.V.T. said:
yellowing leads me to believe something's off in my nutrient dosage/schedule.
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Generally that's an indication that they aren't processing calcium and iron fast enough to keep up with the rate of growth. It also tends to happen more when the plant is still growing its root system. Once the roots are well established it's less of an issue. I find this problem pops up more often when I've mixed a fresh batch of soil without letting it "cook" for a while. This is especially important when growing biologically, since it takes some time for the nutrients to be processed by the microherd.
 
Wolverine97

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To any of you guys using alfalfa in your teas: You may want to do some more reading into its use late into flowering. The hormones contained in alfalfa and kelp can have an antagonistic effect on flowering plants, resulting in delayed flowering. You should also keep in mind that many of the new bio bloom boosters contain their own hormone formulations, which can also become antagonistic when unknowingly mixed with others.
 
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Wolverine97 said:
To any of you guys using alfalfa in your teas: You may want to do some more reading into its use late into flowering. The hormones contained in alfalfa and kelp can have an antagonistic effect on flowering plants, resulting in delayed flowering. You should also keep in mind that many of the new bio bloom boosters contain their own hormone formulations, which can also become antagonistic when unknowingly mixed with others.
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Very good point. "Triacontanol is a naturally occurring plant hormone that acts as a growth promoter. Triacontanol raises plant yield by improving photosynthesis and cell division." This has shown to increase trichome density, buy also to slow growth and maturity. Folks are using this on their gardens, I'll track down alfalfa meal teas for this thread. Triacontanol has to be used in very small amounts.
 
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