Matt Rize
Hashmaster
indoors is okay. the temperature at which you bubble affects the length of time. I just do it at room temp for 24 hours because without a microscope it's really just a guessing game.
Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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Matt Rize
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cut them up fresh, not too much, just to break the buds up.
snew
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This had some great info matt thanks
Rayne
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For the sake of getting this information out on the board again.
In regards to the use of earthworm castings in an indoor or outdoor vegan organic grow. Unless anyone wants to hold themselves to the strictest standards of vegan organic growing using earthworm castings is a matter of personal choice.
In regards to the use of earthworm castings in an indoor or outdoor vegan organic grow. Unless anyone wants to hold themselves to the strictest standards of vegan organic growing using earthworm castings is a matter of personal choice.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Current Lineups...
Soilless Mix: (all rooms)
Bioterra Plus (new and reused), compost (all veg), EWC (all veg fed), neem cake (neemresource.com), kelp and alfalfa meal, dolomite lime, VAM (BioAg), #5 perlite.
Veg Tent: Measurements in per gallon, all water is treated with molasses to dechlorinate before I add nutes.
5 mL Vega
5 mL CalMag (GO)
5 mL BioRoot (GO)
1 mL Silica (Protek)
Pinch Humic (BioAg)
Pinch TM-7 (BioAg, once a week instead of Humic)
5 to 10 mL Fulpower (BioAg)
Tea (see below)
pH -> 6.3ish @ 500+ ppm
Flower room: (at peak)
10 to 15 mL Vega/Flores
5 mL CalMag
10 mL BioBoost
Humic/Fulvic same as veg
1 mL Silica
3 mL zymes
Kelp (BioAg and/or Techanflora)
Tea - local compost + molasses, 24 hr brew at 68ish degrees.
-> 6.1ish pH 900 to 1000 ppm
Soilless Mix: (all rooms)
Bioterra Plus (new and reused), compost (all veg), EWC (all veg fed), neem cake (neemresource.com), kelp and alfalfa meal, dolomite lime, VAM (BioAg), #5 perlite.
Veg Tent: Measurements in per gallon, all water is treated with molasses to dechlorinate before I add nutes.
5 mL Vega
5 mL CalMag (GO)
5 mL BioRoot (GO)
1 mL Silica (Protek)
Pinch Humic (BioAg)
Pinch TM-7 (BioAg, once a week instead of Humic)
5 to 10 mL Fulpower (BioAg)
Tea (see below)
pH -> 6.3ish @ 500+ ppm
Flower room: (at peak)
10 to 15 mL Vega/Flores
5 mL CalMag
10 mL BioBoost
Humic/Fulvic same as veg
1 mL Silica
3 mL zymes
Kelp (BioAg and/or Techanflora)
Tea - local compost + molasses, 24 hr brew at 68ish degrees.
-> 6.1ish pH 900 to 1000 ppm
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
Do you prefer to use unsulfured molasses or just any brand of molasses out there? Just curious because unsulfured is from mature sugar cane when regular is from pre mature and has to have sulphur added for sanitation purposes. Would like to hear your two sense about it.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Only use unsulfured. I use Wholesome Sweeteners organic unsulfured. You don't need added sulfur.
ganjamystic
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Ganja Mystic's Local/Sustainable Plant-Based Potting Mix + Nutrients
Potting Mix: Aged pine bark, composted forest humus, worm castings, rice hulls, alfalfa meal, dehydrated banana peel, dehydrated potato skin, kelp meal, dolomite lime
Veg Nutrients: Mountain spring water, raw honey, molasses, epsom salt, extracts of: worm castings, alfalfa, soy, kelp, yucca, aloe, comfrey, nettle & yarrow
Bloom Nutrients: Mountain spring water, raw honey, molasses, epsom salt, extracts of: worm castings, alfalfa, banana peel, potato skin, yucca, aloe, comfrey, nettle & yarrow
Catalyst: Mountain spring water, raw honey, molasses, yeast, extracts of: wheat bran, oat bran & kelp
ganjamystic
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Thanks! Yep, first post. You don't know me yet, but we definitely share a similar interest in growing the absolute purest, best quality organic medicine possible!
I would call mine a mostly vegan/vegetarian approach, though, as I always use worm castings, and sometimes use hydrolyzed fish (from local, organic, farm-raised trout) for an N-P boost, bat guano (from fossilized deposits from collapsed caves only, so it's not even technically poop anymore) for a P boost, and crushed/powdered eggshells (from local, organic, free-range eggs) for a Cal boost... But, I feel like we're definitely on the same page
Oh and I forgot to mention I sometimes add a little (1/4 tsp per gal) Pink Himalayan Salt, Celtic Sea Salt, or Dead Sea Salt to the nutrient mixtures for trace elements and minerals...
Oh and the best stuff to feed your worms to make super dank worm castings are coffee grounds, crushed egg shells, fruit and vegetable scraps (skins and peels especially) and most importantly cannabis scraps (fan leaves, stalks, roots, etc.)! Think about it: what other plant scrap could have a more perfect nutrient content for cannabis than cannabis itself?? Recycle your cannabis waste!!
Which makes me realize, I also forgot to mention cannabis scrap extract as another major ingredient in the nutrient mixtures...
Oh and also, plant extracts should be made in two ways:
1) steeping dried, chopped plant matter in hot water like tea (for extracting compounds)
2) fermenting fresh plant matter with lactobacillus (for extracting elements)
Okay, what else did I forget?...
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
The FPEs (fermented plant extracts) like mango/papaya for enzymesOkay, what else did I forget?...
ganjamystic
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Well I don't use mango or papaya, since I don't typically buy/eat them, and therefore don't have scraps to ferment, but enzymes are definitely important! I use Hygrozyme, which very well could be made from fermented mango/papaya, but it's a "secret enzyme formula" so who knows...The FPEs (fermented plant extracts) like mango/papaya for enzymes
But yeah, FPEs are exactly what I was talkin bout here:
ganjamystic said:
ganjamystic
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I do want to throw something out on the table for all of us who are interested in "Veganics" to think about... I mentioned this to Kyle Kushman on his page on medicalmarijuana.com a while back, so I'm just going to repost it here (please note, my opinion has changed somewhat since originally posting this, which I will explain below...)
However, I do know now that it's possible to grow vegan cannabis using fermented plant extracts and plant-based compost, BUT, it's also important to realize that the plants that can be used to make a decently P-rich FPE (banana, potato, cucumber, squash, etc.) are not grown "veganically" themselves. They are either grown with chemical ferts (in the case of non-organic) or with blood meal, bone meal, guano, fish hydrosylate, manure, etc. (in the case of organic)...
So... Although one can avoid using animal by-products and waste products directly to grow cannabis. Indirectly, the nutrients from these products still eventually end up in the herb.
That being said, there are ways (composting & fermentation) to completely convert guano and manure to a "non-poop" state before use as fertilizer, thus eliminating odors and the potential for pathogens...
So, if one wanted to grow cannabis using only plant-based compost and fermented plant extracts, and also wanted to be sure that no products of animal farming (blood meal, bone meal, etc.) were used, even indirectly, that no animal habitats were disturbed or destroyed, and that no raw poop was used, one would pretty much need to grow the plants for the FPEs themselves using guano collected under bat boxes that had been totally composted and/or fermented (bokashi-style) prior to use...
Okay, first, I must stand by my statement that the use of rock phosphate has to be phased out. There's no way around that. (I'm talkin to you, Canna & General Organics!)GanjaMystic said:
However, I do know now that it's possible to grow vegan cannabis using fermented plant extracts and plant-based compost, BUT, it's also important to realize that the plants that can be used to make a decently P-rich FPE (banana, potato, cucumber, squash, etc.) are not grown "veganically" themselves. They are either grown with chemical ferts (in the case of non-organic) or with blood meal, bone meal, guano, fish hydrosylate, manure, etc. (in the case of organic)...
So... Although one can avoid using animal by-products and waste products directly to grow cannabis. Indirectly, the nutrients from these products still eventually end up in the herb.
That being said, there are ways (composting & fermentation) to completely convert guano and manure to a "non-poop" state before use as fertilizer, thus eliminating odors and the potential for pathogens...
So, if one wanted to grow cannabis using only plant-based compost and fermented plant extracts, and also wanted to be sure that no products of animal farming (blood meal, bone meal, etc.) were used, even indirectly, that no animal habitats were disturbed or destroyed, and that no raw poop was used, one would pretty much need to grow the plants for the FPEs themselves using guano collected under bat boxes that had been totally composted and/or fermented (bokashi-style) prior to use...
ganjamystic
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I forgot to mention, there does appear to be a brand of organic nutrients on the market that doesn't contain rock phosphate OR animal products: Pura Vida Organics by Technaflora...ganjamystic said:
Haven't tried these yet, but I'm definitely intrigued! Apparently, they can even be used in hydroponic or drip systems without clogging lines!
Check it out!
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
All my friends use pure vida. The results are very commercial. They recently lost their organic listing, but thats not really a big deal to me. Great posts.
In reference to FPEs, I've been told to not use Lacto b, and that the indigenous microflora is sufficient to perform the fermentation. I'm no expert here, my comfrey is almost big enough to start taking leaves off.
KocfOwned
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hey matt quick question for you,I need to know how to PH up my Organic nutrient solution..I know lime does the trick But im running Roots Organics soil and im sure theres already a decent amount in there and dont want to go adding more than i need...I'm Running the G.O line and they say not to PH adjust but i hear otherwise from people...saying is best to bring it to 5.5 and then feed as apposed to leaving it in the low range of 4.5-4.7..Any thoughts on the subject
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
ganjamystic
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Thanks! By the results being commercial, do you mean good yields but lacking in the flavors, aromas, and colors you said the biocanna line brings out? If so, I'm thinking that could probably be fixed with some tropical plant extracts (banana, papaya, mango, pineapple, etc.). I haven't yet really started experimenting with plant extracts for flavor specifically, but have definitely noticed improved aesthetic qualities since switching to primarily plant-based nutrients. I was reading the other day about a product called Banana Manna, which is said to really bring out the natural flavor and aroma potential of plants:
This got me thinking that this must be why the buds are tasting so much better now that I'm using fermented banana peel in my bloom nute mixture... Rather than buy Banana Manna or a similar product for $50 a gallon, it could easily be brewed at home for much less!
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Good to know! Are you talking about doing something like this?Matt Rize said:
Thanks again for the replies, Matt. It's really great to converse with somebody who's as into all this as I am!
ganjamystic
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Earth Juice makes a natural PH up called, you guessed it, Natural Up! (haha creative name right?) Sorry, I know your question wasn't addressed to me, but I figured since I was here...