Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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boblawblah421
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I certainly didn't feel like I was bitching, but hey, I do kind of feel like I am talking to children now so...
Maybe I am just bitching.
Oh well.
I didn't really check out this thread to join arguments about bottled garbage and vegan pussy shoes.
This thread is dead.
Olears
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You sir are an inspiration in good post writingNo actually your "point" wasn't limited to that (which is all a matter of perspective, since GO does have all natural ingredients of vegetative origin and mined minerals). What you used to substantiate your claim was misrepresented. Regardless of whether I use the products or not, or to what extent I use them, you're misrepresenting information therefore it is still misinformation. I don't use any "PK booster".
I already said I mix my own soil, use raw ingredients, recycle soil and brew AACT. Still you fail to realize that not everybody has the time, effort or resources available to them to do this. Just because something comes in a bottle as opposed to a bag or a box doesn't necessarily mean it is "bad", that's kind of an asinine assertion.
You say "Arsenic is man made poison"... I say "uhm, no, actually Arsenic is a naturally occurring element, like zinc or iron"... so then you say "well there are man made compounds of arsenic".Indeed, there are man made compounds of arsenic...
Arsenic is in kelp meal.
Age old: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=25552 - 26.9 ppm
Down to Earth: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=576 - 25.8 ppm
EB Stone: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=635 - 26 ppm
Humboldt Solutions Soluble Seaweed extract: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=26464 - 12.10 ppm
Nature's Solution Sea Kelp: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=17997 - 21.3 ppm
Kellogg Gardener and Bloome Kelp: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=16522 - 23.1 ppm
Whitney Farms Kelp Meal: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=20030 - 23.3 ppm
Arsenic is in rock dust.
Dr. Earth Soft Rock Phosphate: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=604 - 12 ppm (Arsenic)
Cadmium: 41.91 Mercury: 0.44 Lead: 7.7 Nickel: 7.1
Gaia Green Glacial Rock Dust: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=11302 - 10 ppm (Arsenic)
Cadmium: < 0.50 Mercury: < 0.05 Lead: < 5.0 Nickel: 16.9
Kellogg Gardener & Bloome Soft Rock Phosphate: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=16523 - 2.14 ppm (Arsenic)
Cadmium: 1.28 Mercury: 0.06452 Lead: 5.77 Nickel: 12.0
St. Paul Rock Phosphate: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=5589 - 13.3 ppm (Arsenic)
Cadmium: 63.6 Mercury: 0.334 Lead: 31.5 Nickel: 139
Espoma Rock Phosphate: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=21812 - 11 ppm (Arsenic)
Cadmium: 42.0 Mercury: 1.2 Lead: 8 Nickel: 70
Excelerite Remineralize: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=20363 - 18 ppm (Arsenic)
Cadmium: 1.7 Mercury: 0.67 Lead: 8.1 Nickel: 5.6
Earthworm Castings too.
Roots Big Worm: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=16790 - 8.8 ppm (Arsenic)
Cadmium: < 0.1 Mercury: 0.13 Lead: 75.7 Nickel: 44.3
VermiWorm: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=26149 - 2.9 ppm (Arsenic)
Cadmium: 0.55 Mercury: 0.12 Lead: 19 Nickel: 20
Worm-Gro Earthworm castings: http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=10110 - 2.46 ppm (Arsenic)
Cadmium: 0.311 Mercury: 0.130 Lead: 19.6 Nickel: 16.6
Do you use Roots Oregonism XL? Even that has 3.7 ppm Arsenic and 24 ppm Nickel! http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=6487
And do you know what else is used as rat poison, more commonly these days? Cholecalciferol and ergocalciferol. Know what that is? Vitamin D.
snowboarder396
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Just reading through stuff here as it seems to have mostly been entertaining due to all of the arguing.. Don't care to get involved. Sunni I saw your vegan shoes post and thought that was pretty interesting and neat, however notice you called them combat boots. Not wanting to start an argument but I can say those are not combat boots. I can say this because I've served and have had a vast amount of them. Dunno if you stated that just because they are over the calf boots or etc? anyways just thought id say that and keep on keeping on.
snowboarder396
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Hyroot I'm gonna have to disagree with you on a few things as far as you pointed out what came in the bottled nutes you mentioned that, Polyacrylamide, 1-Naphthaleneacetic acid, Indole-3-butyric acid were in the product but if you actually look into the information you posted it shows that they are not.
Indole-3-butyric acid btw is an IBA, which means its a growth hormone. It is a alkaloid and an auxin. alkaloids are naturally found plant products. many plants produce this. It is used as a rooting hormone. it helps form a callus to root formation and is called indirect organogenesis whereas if roots are formed from the explant directly it is called direct organogenesis. The chemical makeup regarding this and why its called what it is is due to a carboxylic acid group, along with an NO2 group. If you see any alkaloids or auxins with an NO2 group it usually always means they are plant derived. think of cocaine.. this IBA is also found in Aloe Vera along with Gibberellin
Now 1-Naphthaleneacetic acid is also an Auxin and another growth hormone. However this one is not an alkaloid or plant derived it is synthetically made. But it is used for rooting and propagation. This has been widely used in the agricultural industry for propagation of apples, olives, oranges and other citrus fruits, and even potatoes. this compound helps not only with rooting and growth but grafting. it helps stop thinning and fruit drop. it is considered slightly toxic and toxic to animals if consumed in a high amount. By high amount I mean via oral ingestion at 1000-5900 mg/kg. This means you would have to consume that many mgs per kg of body weight. you would be literally taking truckloads to reach this amount. but nevertheless that is why it is registered under (FIFRA) Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and Redenticide Act under the EPA.
Now as far as the third and last one polyarcylamide, this is not toxic however if unpolymerized it can be a neurotoxin. this is an amide and is used in a variety of things. have you ever worn contact lenses? well this is used in making soft contact lenses , its also been used in cosmetic surgery of the face. did you ever play with those eggs when you were younger when placed in water they swelled? well that would be due to this compound because it is water soluble and acts as a soft gel. some other uses...
Papermaking, is used in water treatment and even in construction or areas that are very prone to erosion. Why? to help protect rivers and other bodies of water from the effects that erosion can have, which can be pretty severe. oh it is used in hort/ag as a soil conditioner as well..
How do I know all of this? well due to taking Chemistry, horticulture, agricultural classes and IPM which I have had very knowledgeable professor who has done work with toxins, pesticides, etc since the 60s who is involved with testing them, researching the effects they may have, and helping the state prosecute those who may miss use anything under FIFRA. Great guy and extremely knowledgeable in his field.
so what was the point of this post? Not to put you on blast but to point out some of your misinformation. I did not know alot of this myself long ago, but having been back in school you learn alot. Please do more research before posting things that maybe misleading. and no I do not use bottled nutes and I do in fact make up my own soil etc. I do also follow the ROLS thread. Just don't be so fast to jump on someone else before knowing the proper information yourself. Back to growing
Indole-3-butyric acid btw is an IBA, which means its a growth hormone. It is a alkaloid and an auxin. alkaloids are naturally found plant products. many plants produce this. It is used as a rooting hormone. it helps form a callus to root formation and is called indirect organogenesis whereas if roots are formed from the explant directly it is called direct organogenesis. The chemical makeup regarding this and why its called what it is is due to a carboxylic acid group, along with an NO2 group. If you see any alkaloids or auxins with an NO2 group it usually always means they are plant derived. think of cocaine.. this IBA is also found in Aloe Vera along with Gibberellin
Now 1-Naphthaleneacetic acid is also an Auxin and another growth hormone. However this one is not an alkaloid or plant derived it is synthetically made. But it is used for rooting and propagation. This has been widely used in the agricultural industry for propagation of apples, olives, oranges and other citrus fruits, and even potatoes. this compound helps not only with rooting and growth but grafting. it helps stop thinning and fruit drop. it is considered slightly toxic and toxic to animals if consumed in a high amount. By high amount I mean via oral ingestion at 1000-5900 mg/kg. This means you would have to consume that many mgs per kg of body weight. you would be literally taking truckloads to reach this amount. but nevertheless that is why it is registered under (FIFRA) Federal Insecticide, Fungicide and Redenticide Act under the EPA.
Now as far as the third and last one polyarcylamide, this is not toxic however if unpolymerized it can be a neurotoxin. this is an amide and is used in a variety of things. have you ever worn contact lenses? well this is used in making soft contact lenses , its also been used in cosmetic surgery of the face. did you ever play with those eggs when you were younger when placed in water they swelled? well that would be due to this compound because it is water soluble and acts as a soft gel. some other uses...
Papermaking, is used in water treatment and even in construction or areas that are very prone to erosion. Why? to help protect rivers and other bodies of water from the effects that erosion can have, which can be pretty severe. oh it is used in hort/ag as a soil conditioner as well..
How do I know all of this? well due to taking Chemistry, horticulture, agricultural classes and IPM which I have had very knowledgeable professor who has done work with toxins, pesticides, etc since the 60s who is involved with testing them, researching the effects they may have, and helping the state prosecute those who may miss use anything under FIFRA. Great guy and extremely knowledgeable in his field.
so what was the point of this post? Not to put you on blast but to point out some of your misinformation. I did not know alot of this myself long ago, but having been back in school you learn alot. Please do more research before posting things that maybe misleading. and no I do not use bottled nutes and I do in fact make up my own soil etc. I do also follow the ROLS thread. Just don't be so fast to jump on someone else before knowing the proper information yourself. Back to growing
in fashion they are called combat boots because of the style is similar to true combat boots,
snowboarder396
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I see where your coming from, I'm used to them being called over the calf boots, there's also another name but im forgetting it right now. but I haven't heard those styles called combat boots. Again that's just me and how I view it from a combat boot standpoint.
You said that you don't drive either and I believe you mentioned something about not being in the states. If you don't mind me asking where you from?
You said that you don't drive either and I believe you mentioned something about not being in the states. If you don't mind me asking where you from?
lol I'm Canadian
snowboarder396
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Gotcha, so do you not drive because you just take public transportation or? Also what is your personal reason for being vegan if you don't mind. I personally couldnt be myself I love meat to much.
i have my license and i drive an electric scooter to get around. as its better for the enviroment, and its fun!
for being vegan plenty of reasons i did it as a 22 day test just for fun some like a challenge than i started researching
heres a couple of videos to watch if youd like
Vegucated - Netflix
Earthlings Documentary - found on youtube for free
Those videos can explain better than i ever could.
hyroot
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there so many dirty jokes in that hahahahahahaha
ii eat birds and fish, i stopped eating red meat and pork 15 years ago. our bodies are not designed to process and fully digest red meat. plus the nitrates will give you diverticulosis.5 years ago i was tricked into eating a ham sandwich. i took 2 bites and new it wasn't turkey. it killed my stomach
Olears
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we dont have public transit in canada. We just hook our igloos up to sled dogs and away we go ooooo!
snowboarder396
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Lol you mean ride polar bears? My gf is Canadian and one day with her family we were joking about the different stereotypes on both sides and how some people even believe some of them.
keysareme
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I ate vegetarian for three months, and then added in dairy again (mainly cheese and eggs).
For two full years I was eating Organic Vegan, and just recently I worked for a start-up that does Organic Dairy Ice Cream, what attracted me was the job involved working at farmers markets. Soon though, I was eating their organic ice cream sandwiches, and that was the first large portion of dairy I had consumed in 2 years.
Until then, I had been really good about not accepting any food from any source unless I knew for sure it was sourced non-gmo, organic and vegan. I had only consumed non-organic foods at most three times, and possibly a gmo as I had a few edibles that were gifts for joining local collectives and making a donation. These were edibles I had vowed never to eat, and had set aside in a dark drawer, only to one day, amidst my own created mess, decided to consume both of them, and could taste all that crap right away, and could feel it immensely the next day.
My current job, or one of them, is about 80% organic, a few of the vegetables, and spices are not organic, but I am most certain they are non-gmo. I have also consumed more cheese in the past two months than I had over the entire two years of eating organic vegan, as she makes tamales and the cheese chili, smoked cheddar and goat cheese, taste great, are overall pretty healthy, cause of how and where she sources her ingredients, and her masa is non-gmo %100 organic, and so is some of the cheese, but it's still dairy, and I know for sure, for me dairy is not valuable.
I can, and do, and enjoy more to obtain my calcium from an abundance of fruits and vegetables, and find that eating this way, with lots of beans and legumes, garbanzo, lentils, quinoa are my mains, to be what helps me to feel best. There are a whole bunch more benefits I could list that I have experienced from eating organic vegan.
My garden medical, is not yet vegan. It is organic. As for my fruit and vegetables, I will run an organic grow, and also a vegan organic grow, same fruits and vegetables, just two sets of pots, planters and medium.
For two full years I was eating Organic Vegan, and just recently I worked for a start-up that does Organic Dairy Ice Cream, what attracted me was the job involved working at farmers markets. Soon though, I was eating their organic ice cream sandwiches, and that was the first large portion of dairy I had consumed in 2 years.
Until then, I had been really good about not accepting any food from any source unless I knew for sure it was sourced non-gmo, organic and vegan. I had only consumed non-organic foods at most three times, and possibly a gmo as I had a few edibles that were gifts for joining local collectives and making a donation. These were edibles I had vowed never to eat, and had set aside in a dark drawer, only to one day, amidst my own created mess, decided to consume both of them, and could taste all that crap right away, and could feel it immensely the next day.
My current job, or one of them, is about 80% organic, a few of the vegetables, and spices are not organic, but I am most certain they are non-gmo. I have also consumed more cheese in the past two months than I had over the entire two years of eating organic vegan, as she makes tamales and the cheese chili, smoked cheddar and goat cheese, taste great, are overall pretty healthy, cause of how and where she sources her ingredients, and her masa is non-gmo %100 organic, and so is some of the cheese, but it's still dairy, and I know for sure, for me dairy is not valuable.
I can, and do, and enjoy more to obtain my calcium from an abundance of fruits and vegetables, and find that eating this way, with lots of beans and legumes, garbanzo, lentils, quinoa are my mains, to be what helps me to feel best. There are a whole bunch more benefits I could list that I have experienced from eating organic vegan.
My garden medical, is not yet vegan. It is organic. As for my fruit and vegetables, I will run an organic grow, and also a vegan organic grow, same fruits and vegetables, just two sets of pots, planters and medium.
hyroot
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Hey Sunni I've been using the down to earth vegan mix topdressed along with kelp meal, neem meal and rock dust. All veganic. Best regiment I've ever used so far. I have a couple friends who swear by the same vegan mix. You might like those. Everyone who uses it seems to be killing it with big yields and great quality.
DonPetro
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Thats good to know. I want to go veganic for my herb. Not sure how yields would be affected. This what i was gonna go with:
Base Mix:
3 gal humus-based soil/compost
2 gal perlite
2 gal coconut coir
2 gal worm castings
Amendments:
2 cups dolomite lime
1 cup greensand
2 cups alfalfa meal
1 cup kelp meal
1/4 cup soft rock phosphate
1/4 cup rock phosphate(granular)
1 cup brown rice
1/2 cup neem meal
1/2 cup glacial rock dust
uhm vegetarians eat dairy and cheese and eggs. vegans dont. lol
i already have all their products
keysareme
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oh well, ok.