Vape pen explosion kills Florida man...

Fubard

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I'd like to see a pic of the actual exploded device that had the explosive force of a bullet that pierced a skull.

What exploded, the battery?

Be wearing face shields with a mouth hole next.
My bet is he bought a spare battery from China or Amazon, obviously not the same standard as the manufacturer, and we all know how Li-ion or Li-Po batteries can go off when the safeties fail or aren't there.
 

greg nr

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My bet is he bought a spare battery from China or Amazon, obviously not the same standard as the manufacturer, and we all know how Li-ion or Li-Po batteries can go off when the safeties fail or aren't there.
Good bet it all started with the battery failing. Solid steel tube, rapid exothermic reaction, flammable oil, pressurize, and BOOM. Instant pipe bomb. Actually pipe bomb and Fuel Air Explosive in one!

Also known as a Thermobaric explosive. The most devastating weapon on the planet short of a nuclear bomb when made to scale.
 

Fubard

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Good bet it all started with the battery failing. Solid steel tube, rapid exothermic reaction, flammable oil, pressurize, and BOOM. Instant pipe bomb. Actually pipe bomb and Fuel Air Explosive in one!

Also known as a Thermobaric explosive. The most devastating weapon on the planet short of a nuclear bomb when made to scale.
That's why I suggest it was a "non-standard" battery and no one from the manufacturer. The problem is proving that, as the manufacturer will provide all sorts of tests to show their batteries are "safe" and that it must have been an "imported copy" as, well, when something lifts like that then there ain't going to be much left of the battery to confirm it wasn't an imported copy so, in reality, the manufacturer could count themselves as "safe" unless someone proves it was a genuine battery from the manufacturer.

Wouldn't go as far as a "thermobaric" explosion though, because what we are looking at is an uncontrolled release of energy in a confined space, I would class it more equivalent to a pipe bomb personally.
 

greg nr

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That's why I suggest it was a "non-standard" battery and no one from the manufacturer. The problem is proving that, as the manufacturer will provide all sorts of tests to show their batteries are "safe" and that it must have been an "imported copy" as, well, when something lifts like that then there ain't going to be much left of the battery to confirm it wasn't an imported copy so, in reality, the manufacturer could count themselves as "safe" unless someone proves it was a genuine battery from the manufacturer.

Wouldn't go as far as a "thermobaric" explosion though, because what we are looking at is an uncontrolled release of energy in a confined space, I would class it more equivalent to a pipe bomb personally.
The article said he had burns over most of his body. That would only happen if the fuel inside (the vape oil) ignited while it was in a vapor state. If it was still a liquid, the burns would have been more localized. Like bbq starter jelly, it would burn in place. But a vapor flash fire would cause much more extensive and widespread burns.
 

Fubard

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The article said he had burns over most of his body. That would only happen if the fuel inside (the vape oil) ignited while it was in a vapor state. If it was still a liquid, the burns would have been more localized. Like bbq starter jelly, it would burn in place. But a vapor flash fire would cause much more extensive and widespread burns.
You'll have burns from overheated vape fluid, burns from the compounds in the batteries after meltdown, potentially molten plastic and metal, doesn't mean it was effectively a thermobaric unless we know more about surrounding damage as a thermobaric, even as small as an e-cig,.would leave clear damage in an area larger than the victim.
 
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