Use of Sugar

My goal is to be helpful to other growers, kinda hard when I don't have alot of exp. with MJ, but I am trying to use my exp with plants to help others. I was just at a meeting with Kip Cullers, soybean champ. One of the stratagies he employs is the use of sugar water. I asked him what is the science behind it. Short answer, spraying sugar water on plants helps to feed them, and helps in plant strength. I could go in depth with this, but I hardly understand it myself. He produced many pictures of the difference. I pushed him if this is typical with all plants, and he stated yes. Anyhow the man produces 150 bushel soybeans, when most of us struggle to get 45 to 50 bushels.
Some interesting stuff on late season stress on oil plants was also discussed. Got me thinking about THC levels, what if the plant was stressed at the end, could it produce higher THC levels. Stressed meaning short water and high temps. Let me hear your thoughts.

ive heard and read on the use of mollases which is by product in sugar refining so i guess its the same thing as sugar water
also heard of giving extra long darkperiod at the end of flowering to produce more trichs not sure if extra heat or less water would be much good

You are not on the verge of breaking any new ground, that is for sure. It's been debated for decades about stressing plants, flushing and starving, 3 days of dark before harvest, LST, defoliation, these are all stressing techniques used to increase yield and THC levels. As for plants absorbing sugar through leaves, I have to state I'm ignorant on the matter. I thought I was reasonably sure that complex carbohydrates, such as sugar, have to be broken down first before the plant could even utilize any of that potential energy. But since this advice comes from a farmer, I just don't know...

plantvision said:

My goal is to be helpful to other growers, kinda hard when I don't have alot of exp. with MJ, but I am trying to use my exp with plants to help others. I was just at a meeting with Kip Cullers, soybean champ. One of the stratagies he employs is the use of sugar water. I asked him what is the science behind it. Short answer, spraying sugar water on plants helps to feed them, and helps in plant strength. I could go in depth with this, but I hardly understand it myself. He produced many pictures of the difference. I pushed him if this is typical with all plants, and he stated yes. Anyhow the man produces 150 bushel soybeans, when most of us struggle to get 45 to 50 bushels.
Some interesting stuff on late season stress on oil plants was also discussed. Got me thinking about THC levels, what if the plant was stressed at the end, could it produce higher THC levels. Stressed meaning short water and high temps. Let me hear your thoughts.

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Fuck you're just as well off dumping sugar into your gas tank.

Sucrose is table sugar and not very useful to the soil. If you like the idea of using complex sugars that are much more beneficial to the soil. Go blend some fresh wet algae and make a tea and dump it in. Algae's got just about all the sugars that are meaningful to soil microbes. You don't spray sucrose solution onto your leaves, that will fuck up your plant non-polar. Put your syrup on your pancakes dood not your leaves.

well doesn't science state that all simple sugars that are used by the cannabis plant.. those sugars have to be broken down.. in order for the plant to be able to absorb and use them...

I'm going to have to go with science on this one.. I mean.. there's a common sense variable in this too. And when I figure it out.. I'll let you guys know.

peace

And I'd love to see you go further in depth with this one.... especially since you don't understand it either..

Serapis said:

And I'd love to see you go further in depth with this one.... especially since you don't understand it either..

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Nope, your right. I'm in the same boat as you.. I have no idea.

anyone?

I seem to remember being berated by someone for suggesting something similar to this here recently.

Sorry for the confussion Guru, that remark was aimed at the OP, who said he would go into it in further detail, but he doesn't understand it.... yet he is going to share this information with us... Sounds like the soybean champ was fucking with the OP.... Not only will sugar water fuck up the stomata, it'll probably attract insects. So I'm dying for a scientific explanation that I feel is due us, if we are to lend any credence to the OP.

cannabisguru said:

Nope, your right. I'm in the same boat as you.. I have no idea.

anyone?

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The plant makes storage sugars and sends them to the fng roots to hang out until they are needed by the fruits. You can add sucrose to the soil and it will get used by the microbes but it's a quick burning sugar and will cause a spike and die situation in your soil. Better to boost your soil with shit that takes a little bit longer to breakdown so you don't buzz out your soil microbes.

This is why we got thick molasses.

Yo

But the OP isn't even addressing soil microbes, he is talking about spraying plants with the shit.

NLNo5 said:

The plant makes storage sugars and sends them to the fng roots to hang out until they are needed by the fruits. You can add sucrose to the soil and it will get used by the microbes but it's a quick burning sugar and will cause a spike and die situation in your soil. Better to boost your soil with shit that takes a little bit longer to breakdown so you don't buzz out your soil microbes.

This is why we got thick molasses.

Yo

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I can't imagine sugar in any form being absorbed through any plant tissue except through roots and only after being digested by bacteria present in soil. Show me the data and I will worship at the alter of your insight and wisdom

Serapis said:

But the OP isn't even addressing soil microbes, he is talking about spraying plants with the shit.

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I understand this. I was just thinking ahead and figured he want's to use sugar for something positive and so I'm telling him to add "more suitable" sugars to the soil to feed the microbes and indirectly suppor the needs of the plant. The plant makes it's own sugars in the leaves using CO2 and photoelectric blamo. Minerals are necessary for this process to go. Minerals get to the plant by direct transport and facultative trasport via the endo-mycos. All the soil microbes make the minerals more available by breaking down the soil itself. So feed the soil microbes and boost mineral transport to the leaves.

14 grams of molasses has 2 grams monosacs (glucose, fructose, galactose), 3grams disacs (sucrose et al.) and 2 grams polysacs (you name it). So molasses is a well balanced set of sugars to feed your soil, plus it comes with all sorts of other highly beneficial minerals.

Phaeophyte algae (brown algae, kelp, etc.(sargassum, laminaria, fucus, padina, macrocystis, dictyota)) on the other hand have at a minimum: arabinose, fucose, galactose, glucose, mannose, rhamnose and xylose (all charge neutral sugars) and galacturonic acid, glucuronic acid, guluronic acid and mannuronic acid (acidic sugars). The brown algae is the best for providing high P-K while providing sugars and minerals also. Reds and greens are not so good for bloom.

I like to use algae suspension, molasses and fish emulsion to feed my soil, there is really nothing missing from the combination.

If you want to foliar feed you're going to need to use the algae only and keep it real dilute. Spraying your plant with molasses or fish crap is just going to fuck up your grow.

But it works for soybeans....

The plants have no requirement for sugar from the soils, they make their own sugar, that's why they are classified in the Kingdom Plantae as photo-synthesizers, and properly named primary producers.

Animals on the other hand have to drink their milkshake from a straw.

Holy Cow, I quessed I sparked some enthusiasim, I am going to get a hold of Kips research and post it, might take me a bit. But remember I am only trying to be helpful, and I am also a very sensitive person, so easy everybody.

I think providing some research notes or results is an excellent idea, as you can see, we area very skeptical bunch, especially when claims fly in the face of science.

plantvision said:

Holy Cow, I quessed I sparked some enthusiasim, I am going to get a hold of Kips research and post it, might take me a bit. But remember I am only trying to be helpful, and I am also a very sensitive person, so easy everybody.

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I quess I am guilty of having somebody blowing smoke. I searched for info and found nothing. I did however find some info about feeding the soil microbes. He also stated that you can use it to quickly break down organic material to a nitrogen source. At the meeting he said you could help the plant through foliar feeding, but I am finding no info on it. Sorry guys, in the future I will wait till I have solid info before posting. I sent out a PM to all that responded, except Serapis, they said that you do not allow PMs. Thanks and Sorry.

plantvision said:

Holy Cow, I quessed I sparked some enthusiasim, I am going to get a hold of Kips research and post it, might take me a bit. But remember I am only trying to be helpful, and I am also a very sensitive person, so easy everybody.

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It's no prob dude. You have a good attitude bout it, which makes you a good guy. I read so much misinformation on RIU written by wanna bes and know it alls. They are sooooo defensive if you contradict anything they say you get shit for it. It's hardly worth it.
I just wanna learn a few things and grow some killer shit. No big whoop