UncleBuck
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says the guy who agreeing with someone who gets it even less. that makes you guilty by association
USA goes to WAR with mexico, ........
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Murfy
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i don't get it-
what makes here so great?
are there no natural resources in mexico, or any other country for that matter, can't these people just carve out a nice little nation where they're at?, it's what we did in america right?
it almost seems like some are afraid of work and are more inclined to rely on others, which is exactly what illegal immigrants in this country do best, and what pisses me off most about this
let's come up with a racial slur for THEM, the illegal's, regardless of race, we'll be trend setters, and noone can use the race card
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what makes here so great?
are there no natural resources in mexico, or any other country for that matter, can't these people just carve out a nice little nation where they're at?, it's what we did in america right?
it almost seems like some are afraid of work and are more inclined to rely on others, which is exactly what illegal immigrants in this country do best, and what pisses me off most about this
let's come up with a racial slur for THEM, the illegal's, regardless of race, we'll be trend setters, and noone can use the race card
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Xrtnfx
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in mexico you get 6 dollars a day for hard labor.
In the United states you get 7.25/hr. minimum wage.... do the math
You can work in the US and send money to your family back in mexico, or you can make enough to ship them here, and not have as shitty of a life.
UncleBuck
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i think murfy was more driving at the point that in america, we built ourselves the greatest country around. we accomplished this in several ways, like the transcontinental railroad, the hoover dam, the california aqueduct, the erie canal and other projects that made our country a powerhouse.
what gets ignored is all the immigrant labor (not saying if they were legal or not, but it is an interesting question) from the chinese on the railroads, or the irish on the erie canal that allowed our nation to become that powerhouse.
also murfy, pleas eknow illegal immigrants are not at all afraid of work or apt to rely on others. having worked extensively with mexicans both legal and illegal i can tell you that they will work you under the table. most i've met are very conservative and highly religious, and very far from a welfare mentality.
also, you might want to edit that last sentence, and just say slur rather than racial slur, since the point of it is to avoid the race issue. but may i suggest that if we invent a slur for illegals that it at least be shorter to type out than the pc version (illegal immigrants). can we call them gligs instead? that would save keystrokes
I dont know if anyone gives a shit, but here is a first person perspective of a white dude at ground zero. I live and work in El Paso, and i dont know anyone i work with who has not been effected by the killings down there. Seriously! Up in Humboldt County legalization is about jobs and economic security. I understand that. People will vote against the law in California because of Jobs. Down here its because of lives. Not American lives, but lives none the less. What is more important? Where is the moral high ground? Americans do need jobs and money and all those necessities, but at what cost? I know it is not directly connected to this border shooting, but whats one more dead kid as long as murder is the norm there.
RikoSuave55
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My family is just from the area and i have 7 uncles that are all "illegals" . Its a moot argument alot of ignorance will always cloud the issue. I am an american and i agree something needs to be done, but shoot to kill and just get rid of em! is not a plan. If i was in the same spot i would do the same thing, as did the foretfathers of this great country. They didnt have permission to perpetrate the genocide of the indians like they did, they took the country , then took a good part of mexicos country, and now wants to keep mexicos goods and labour but wants no more from this race of rats. thats cold.
I say were not affected. ALmost all our menial , crap labour is performed by them and they dont complain. Ever see a white veggie picker? how many latinas have you seen cleaning hotel rooms, look in the kitchen at some of your favorite restaurants......mexicans.
For the amount of illegals crossing, there is very little violence. Id be willing to bet there is more Detroit officers killed in one year than there is on the whole mexican border!
You wanna get pissed , its the damned canadians should be kicked out as well!
I say were not affected. ALmost all our menial , crap labour is performed by them and they dont complain. Ever see a white veggie picker? how many latinas have you seen cleaning hotel rooms, look in the kitchen at some of your favorite restaurants......mexicans.
For the amount of illegals crossing, there is very little violence. Id be willing to bet there is more Detroit officers killed in one year than there is on the whole mexican border!
You wanna get pissed , its the damned canadians should be kicked out as well!
stumps
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong. The US should take over mexico. Take down the goverment and the drug lords. Start schooling the lower class people and help bring them into the modern world. I don't say this to be an ass. I think the Goverment and the cast system in Mexico suck ass. I've met some very smart unschooled Mexican people. I think the lower classes of Mex people get screwed by the upper class/goverment.
doc111
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I take issue with the assumption that Mexicans are only taking the jobs which Americans don't want. I have seen white vegetable pickers. When I was a kid it was mainly young high school kids who picked the fruit and vegetables around here. It was a great way to earn money and have a summer job. It was damn hard work that taught kids the value of a buck and instilled a good work ethic. Not anymore. These jobs have been taken over by illegals. The construction industry is almost completely dominated by illegals here also. Up until a few years ago it was almost all Americans. Those constructions jobs are hardly low paying, shit jobs. I agree, if Canadians are here illegally they need to go as well and come back the legal way. I'm not saying I want all Mexicans to go back to Mexico. What I am saying is come here the legal way. Illegal immigration is a huge problem in this country and needs to be dealt with. I don't like what Arizona is doing but it speaks to the greater problem. We are a nation crumbling and we have millions of citizens who are out of work. If illegals weren't taking jobs perhaps some of our unemployed workers could actually have some type of work picking fruit until the job market recovers. It would suck but desperate times call for desperate measures. At this point it's not even an option though.
Murfy
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work my ass under the table, HA-
let's race, i'm a fuckin three man crew, bet your ass, i have been a farmer and construction worker my WHOLE life, and will work most under the table, i can shingle so fast the guy throwin can't keep up
and in the beginning of things i think most work in the us didn't pay, it was about SURVIVING with a reasonable expectation of comfort, or happiness
if indeed these folks are such hard working, morally upstanding humans, why is mexico such a shit hole, MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF WHAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE!, unless of course you are unable, and that is where racial tension comes in, the chinese built the rail ,a and the irish built the cities, and the mexicans get social justice, it makes me feel like they are better than me, and in turn that makes me want to SHOW they are not
but either way they should follow the law, it has held me back amny times , and should provide the same for any one else on us soil
let's race, i'm a fuckin three man crew, bet your ass, i have been a farmer and construction worker my WHOLE life, and will work most under the table, i can shingle so fast the guy throwin can't keep up
and in the beginning of things i think most work in the us didn't pay, it was about SURVIVING with a reasonable expectation of comfort, or happiness
if indeed these folks are such hard working, morally upstanding humans, why is mexico such a shit hole, MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF WHAT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE!, unless of course you are unable, and that is where racial tension comes in, the chinese built the rail ,a and the irish built the cities, and the mexicans get social justice, it makes me feel like they are better than me, and in turn that makes me want to SHOW they are not
but either way they should follow the law, it has held me back amny times , and should provide the same for any one else on us soil
kendothegreenwizard
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@ Rikkosuave. You use the word ignorance a lot and yet you are the one who appears to be uninformed. As doc pointed out the jobs that Mexicans are taking are not just low paying jobs and for that matter picking fruits and veggies is not such a low paying venture as I pointed out earlier. I personally have picked tons of fruits and veggies in my day and worked the fields. I made better than minimum wage at it.
Also the fallacy that we need them to do all the tasks we will not do is uninformed ignorance as well. Where I live there are not a lot of illegals, the busboys, hotel maids, lawn jockeys and cooks are not illegals they are Americans who want those jobs to feed thier families. The employers here take pride in not hiring illegals and are shunned if they do.
This is how we personally can hit the illegal hiring employers and illegal population where it hurts. Refuse to do business with the ones who you think are hiring illegals.
As far as Mexicans working harder than Americans.... THat is the typical elitist BS that so many Mexican people spout. It's not that the Mexicans will work harder, it's that they will work cheaper. I have worled side by side with Illegals and never, not one time was I ever outworked.
Also the fallacy that we need them to do all the tasks we will not do is uninformed ignorance as well. Where I live there are not a lot of illegals, the busboys, hotel maids, lawn jockeys and cooks are not illegals they are Americans who want those jobs to feed thier families. The employers here take pride in not hiring illegals and are shunned if they do.
This is how we personally can hit the illegal hiring employers and illegal population where it hurts. Refuse to do business with the ones who you think are hiring illegals.
As far as Mexicans working harder than Americans.... THat is the typical elitist BS that so many Mexican people spout. It's not that the Mexicans will work harder, it's that they will work cheaper. I have worled side by side with Illegals and never, not one time was I ever outworked.
the reason a mexican is mowing my lawn is because i can AFFORD to pay him to. it has NOTHING to do with me not wanting to do the job myself. it has everything to do with me being able to pay someone to do it instead. you hear people say this as if it's a bad thing, .... "thank the mexicans for doing the jobs you won't do yourself". sure, thanks, here's 5 dollars. now i have to get back to my Xbox.
american kids today are handed everything by their rich parents. before the economy fell anyways. the teenagers don't HAVE to work in the strawberry patch. they are too busy texting their friends at the mall.
when it comes time that americans need money bad enough to pick lettuce for it, they will. they always have.
american kids today are handed everything by their rich parents. before the economy fell anyways. the teenagers don't HAVE to work in the strawberry patch. they are too busy texting their friends at the mall.
when it comes time that americans need money bad enough to pick lettuce for it, they will. they always have.
Mindmelted
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I have picked strawberries for pay before..
whiteflour
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I agree, and it was probably given to them by a greedy white man. All this mumbo jumbo about minimum wage is just horse shit. The illegals aren't making minimum wage because they aren't in the system! So long as employers can employee illegals and save the loot over legal class citizens, capitalism will continue to play it's part in the job market.no mexican has ever "taken" an americans job.
it was "given" to them.
But that's certainly coming at a cost of quality, especially in the housing and construction fields. But that's okay now that the market fell those cheap built houses can be bought as cheap as they should've been.
stewie
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The whole immigration issue is one big joke. I lived on the U.S. / Mexico Border for 5 years crossing into mexico 4 to 5 time a week working. Mexico has immigration laws that you do not play with. You know what happens if you are a U.S. resident and do not have the proper work paper with you ? $25,000.00 fine first time they catch you. That fine is for the business as well as the worker. If you don't turn in your paper work or it's late and they catch you you better have cash or your not leaving, case closed! Mexico does not allow people from South America to enter Mexico illegality and stay, they send them back. So why is it that we have to listen to the President of Mexico tells us we have to let his people in ? Also all the U.S. companies on the border and in Mexico that give them jobs aren't enough ? We pump billions of dollars into the Mexican market with all the jobs U.S. companies create in Mexico. Also the workers in Mexico and U.S. factories are treated very, very well. They are unionized and received meals and medical more then a lot of U.S workers. So if the President of Mexico reads this or anyone know him tell him I said he can go fuck his self. The Mexican government has keep it people down no one else.
The Mexicans that cross here illegality send their paycheck back to Mexico, take a look at a western union store on payday and see the Mexicans sending money to Mexico. This is Mexico's second biggest industry. I find it very hard to believe that we are so racist here in the U.S. we have a black president and hate Mexicans. What the U.S. people hate is the simple fact that we have a large population of Mexicans that enter illegally.That's it! Follow the law and enter the U.S. the right way and we don't care.
The whole arrangement that it was Mexico's land first is stupid. Many countries claimed land as well as took land from other countries during that era. If I am not mistaken we had a war over this and someone lost. Sorry shit happens wasn't their and I or we can not change the fact that we won the war. So picking the specs out of the fly shit about who owned what and when is not going to change anything. Do you foresee CA,AZ and TX going back to Mexico ? lol never.
The ancestors of most U.S. people showed up and did what they were suppose to do at that time to enter the U.S. legally so why can't the people of Mexico. Also this whole viva mexico! shit from people here in the U.S. if you are that fond of Mexico why are you here ? A better job? Life? That being said if you could not find it in Mexico why do you want to bring that viva Mexico shit here ? Mexico is very corrupt and will not change anytime soon. While we got our own issues none of our are as bad as the whole state that Mexico is in. This fact is easily proven as it is a problem with people of Mexico entering the U.S. illegally and the other way around. So if you our so proud of Mexico then why are you here? We fly only one flag here and that is the U.S. flag that is the glue that bonds us all. Be proud of it!
Also we are tired of having to foot the bill for them. This whole issue of them not speaking English. Why do we have to spend extra money to make sure we have Spanish teachers to help the kids of illegals, this takes funding for U.S. kids getting the resources they need. Medical - Most don't have insurance so who eats the bill for the medical costs, lol ask the state of Calif. that question.
Having so many undocumented people creates to much of a strain on our systems. We can only take so much weight on our backs all anyone is asking is to enforce the law. It's not a issue of hate but one a please respect our laws and our system busting at the seems.
Please name me a county that has open borders? and no laws about entering. Why is it that the U.S. always gets the shit sandwich on this problem? The facts our most Americans want ALL illegals gone no matter where you are from. Come back the right way please.
Stewie
The Mexicans that cross here illegality send their paycheck back to Mexico, take a look at a western union store on payday and see the Mexicans sending money to Mexico. This is Mexico's second biggest industry. I find it very hard to believe that we are so racist here in the U.S. we have a black president and hate Mexicans. What the U.S. people hate is the simple fact that we have a large population of Mexicans that enter illegally.That's it! Follow the law and enter the U.S. the right way and we don't care.
The whole arrangement that it was Mexico's land first is stupid. Many countries claimed land as well as took land from other countries during that era. If I am not mistaken we had a war over this and someone lost. Sorry shit happens wasn't their and I or we can not change the fact that we won the war. So picking the specs out of the fly shit about who owned what and when is not going to change anything. Do you foresee CA,AZ and TX going back to Mexico ? lol never.
The ancestors of most U.S. people showed up and did what they were suppose to do at that time to enter the U.S. legally so why can't the people of Mexico. Also this whole viva mexico! shit from people here in the U.S. if you are that fond of Mexico why are you here ? A better job? Life? That being said if you could not find it in Mexico why do you want to bring that viva Mexico shit here ? Mexico is very corrupt and will not change anytime soon. While we got our own issues none of our are as bad as the whole state that Mexico is in. This fact is easily proven as it is a problem with people of Mexico entering the U.S. illegally and the other way around. So if you our so proud of Mexico then why are you here? We fly only one flag here and that is the U.S. flag that is the glue that bonds us all. Be proud of it!
Also we are tired of having to foot the bill for them. This whole issue of them not speaking English. Why do we have to spend extra money to make sure we have Spanish teachers to help the kids of illegals, this takes funding for U.S. kids getting the resources they need. Medical - Most don't have insurance so who eats the bill for the medical costs, lol ask the state of Calif. that question.
Having so many undocumented people creates to much of a strain on our systems. We can only take so much weight on our backs all anyone is asking is to enforce the law. It's not a issue of hate but one a please respect our laws and our system busting at the seems.
Please name me a county that has open borders? and no laws about entering. Why is it that the U.S. always gets the shit sandwich on this problem? The facts our most Americans want ALL illegals gone no matter where you are from. Come back the right way please.
Stewie
Mindmelted
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Damn Someone Finally gets it.
It has nothing to do with being Racist at ALL.
Well thought out Stewie...
Padawanbater2
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I'd like to hear you elaborate on what you mean by this. Like, give me a couple examples if ya could, I just want to hear it put in context.
They tried that already;
Xrtnfx
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very true... very sad also..No one uses common sense anymore