Unlimited Energy

bobharvey

bobharvey

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Conoclast said:
I don't deserve to see it? He's the one wanting me to believe in him.. so I don't deserve to believe? Fine by me I guess..

And tbh no offence intended but your answer was quite idiotic..
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"If I have told you earthly things and you not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" John 3:12

You don't deserve to see it because you don't even possess the ability to believe. It is all about your perception and attitude. You obviously have a very closed mind if you think that God "wants you to believe in Him." How do you know what God wants and what he doesn't? Have you read the Bible cover to cover? Have you read the Koran? Have you read and studied any sacred spiritual text or have you just let others tell you what it says?

God does not belong to one group of people. No one has the monopoly on truth. And you are mistaken if you think God sits around thinking about whether or not YOU believe in him. You have to be able to believe first which means having an open mind. Then you will experience God.
 
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rev3la7ion

rev3la7ion

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I don't believe without proof. That's called faith. God does want you to 'believe' in him because all he asks of you is to have 'faith' in his plan w/e that may be. You must have faith to believe. Either faith or reason. And since there is no logical reason present, it's gonna take a leap of faith. I'm not willing to jump just because someone said, "You should believe in God you know! He created us!" I ask if they have proof and all anyone can ever say is, "Look around! Someone HAD to have created it!"

Either way, this isn't an earthly thing if it has anything to do with the spirit since the spirit is neither a tangible or proven object. So in order to talk about the spirit you would have to be referring to the supernatural which in this case, refers to god, meaning it's not an 'earthly' thing.
 
bobharvey

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rev3la7ion said:
I don't believe without proof. That's called faith. God does want you to 'believe' in him because all he asks of you is to have 'faith' in his plan w/e that may be. You must have faith to believe. Either faith or reason. And since there is no logical reason present, it's gonna take a leap of faith. I'm not willing to jump just because someone said, "You should believe in God you know! He created us!" I ask if they have proof and all anyone can ever say is, "Look around! Someone HAD to have created it!"
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"Listen! Behold, a sower went out to sow. And it happened, as he sowed, that some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds of the air came and devoured it. Some fell on stony ground, where it did not have much earth; and immediately it sprang up because it had no depth of earth. But when the sun was up it scorched, and because it had no root it withered away. And some seed fell among thorns; and the thorns grew up and choked it, and it yielded no crop. But other seed fell on good ground and yielded a crop that sprang up, increased and produced: some thirtyfold, some sixty and some a hundred. And he said to them 'He who has ears to hear, let him hear!'" Mark 4:3-9

"And He said to them, 'Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?' The sower sows the word. And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness; and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word's sake, immediately they stumble. Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit:thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred." Mark 4:13-20

Jesus knew that his word would fall on deaf ears. He used parables because spiritual truth cannot be forced fed. It has to be experienced. You demand proof for the existence of God. There is an abundance of proof. Do you know how complex your circulatory system is(Family Guy quote)? Proof is not enough for you. It will never be enough. God has to be experienced to be known. He is understood through introspection upon yourself. It is not you that denies the existence of God. It is Satan. Satan is not what you were told he was. It is not a red devil that tricks you. It is your ego. I have already said that your experience depends on your ability to be open minded and accept what is; instead of demanding something that is not.

God is not something that you can understand with your mind he is not a concept or an idea. What scripture says that all God wants is for your belief in Him? I am not an expert on the Bible, this is why I ask. The entire purpose of life is to find your way home. It is a journey. It goes far beyond "belief." It takes experience. You cannot know pot just by watching those above the influence commercials. So what makes you think that you could even comprehend the Infinite Magnificence that God is by just "believing" in Him?
 
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mexiblunt

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I watched a show a while back about an old monk who claims he hasn't eaten anything since he was a child. He agreed to go thru a bunch of scientific tests and observations. they kept him in a hospital for just over one month or just over 2 months can't remember. He didn't eat a thing, most of his time was spent meditating. he did need the sun tho. that was his energy along with water I believe. He was as healthy when he left as when he came in. It was a very interesting show.

The same show had a group of monks who were put in this chilled room. upon meditation they raised their body temps. they were in the classic meditation position and had sheets on their backs. At the point where their body temps were the highest the sheets were actually "steaming" alot like a warm breath on a cold day. I'm going go try and find some links.

Mind over matter!
 
mexiblunt

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Inedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know it only wikipedia but it's interesting how it's says there is no scientific proof it's possible yet I seen it on tv myself. I know don't believe everything you see on tv either so hmmm? going to do some more digging. Wish I could remeber what show that was on? I believe it was discovery civilization channel.
 
mexiblunt

mexiblunt

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I apoligize for the 4 straight posts but this subject is kinda interesting/relevant to me at the moment. This past tuesday I was hospitalized with a very nasty viral infection(as far as the doc could tell) I have only had 2-3 meals since. I was in such pain I used meditation to cope.(hours at time) To make a long story short it feels to me spiritually thru this expereince like I moved up a level or grade if you will. I know it sound kinda kooky to some but to me it kinda seems clear that this was a physical manifestation of my self being cleaned out or purged of some of my old ideas or beliefs etc. Although I look like shit, feel like shit. I have never felt "clearer" in my mind/spirit. Sorry for the ramble this is something I'm trying to figure out myself and my ideas on it will change, and shit maybe I'm just sick?
 
bobharvey

bobharvey

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hey mexi read this : Autobiography of a Yogi, by Paramhansa Yogananda, Chapter 1: My Parents and Early Life

it's the entire book Autobiography of a Yogi online. After Paramhansa Yogananda died the SRF who had the rights to his works changed a lot of it and they even changed the spelling of his name from Paramhansa to Paramahansa. Anyways this book will give you a lot of information and it will give you sources as well. It is one of the best books I have ever read.

A lot of the ideas I have been reading on claim that all disease are just mental negativity or mental debris that has manifested itself into a physical ailment. Meditation allows you to still your analytical mind and thus bringing the subconscious mind to light. This brings up past emotions or ideas you haven't properly processed or dealt with (instead just buried) and it purges your body of them. So after practice and mastery you learn how to just clean your body instead of wasting energy to cover it up and kill disease. Which means you live on a higher plane or exist to the maximum of your bodies capabilities. I have more links to meditation and things you sound interested in I will give you the links if you ask for them.
 
mexiblunt

mexiblunt

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thanks bobharvey! i'll check it out it looks interesting. And apparently very relative to my experiences this week. Alot of similarities in what you posted to what I described earlier.
 
rev3la7ion

rev3la7ion

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bobharvey said:
"Listen! Behold, a sower went out to sow. And it happened, as he sowed, that some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds of the air came and devoured it. Some fell on stony ground, where it did not have much earth; and immediately it sprang up because it had no depth of earth. But when the sun was up it scorched, and because it had no root it withered away. And some seed fell among thorns; and the thorns grew up and choked it, and it yielded no crop. But other seed fell on good ground and yielded a crop that sprang up, increased and produced: some thirtyfold, some sixty and some a hundred. And he said to them 'He who has ears to hear, let him hear!'" Mark 4:3-9

"And He said to them, 'Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?' The sower sows the word. And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness; and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word's sake, immediately they stumble. Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit:thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred." Mark 4:13-20

Jesus knew that his word would fall on deaf ears. He used parables because spiritual truth cannot be forced fed. It has to be experienced. You demand proof for the existence of God. There is an abundance of proof. Do you know how complex your circulatory system is(Family Guy quote)? Proof is not enough for you. It will never be enough. God has to be experienced to be known. He is understood through introspection upon yourself. It is not you that denies the existence of God. It is Satan. Satan is not what you were told he was. It is not a red devil that tricks you. It is your ego. I have already said that your experience depends on your ability to be open minded and accept what is; instead of demanding something that is not.

God is not something that you can understand with your mind he is not a concept or an idea. What scripture says that all God wants is for your belief in Him? I am not an expert on the Bible, this is why I ask. The entire purpose of life is to find your way home. It is a journey. It goes far beyond "belief." It takes experience. You cannot know pot just by watching those above the influence commercials. So what makes you think that you could even comprehend the Infinite Magnificence that God is by just "believing" in Him?
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Except you're basing this all on the assumption God exists and that the bible is true...
 
bobharvey

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rev3la7ion said:
Except you're basing this all on the assumption God exists and that the bible is true...
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I'm basing it on my own personal experience. I never said that the Bible is true. Truth exists whether or not you know it. The sun always rose whether or not people believed that the sun revolved around the earth. Gravity existed before Sir Issac Newton "realized" that something made objects fall. Truth is there whether or not YOU have the ability to look at it let alone immerse yourself in it. Just because you are blind does not mean that the sun ceases to shine.
 
mexiblunt

mexiblunt

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I am not religious, very spiritual but not religious. the stuff bobharvey posted from the bible still holds relevance to me. Most of the bible I read in metaphors or understand in metaphors. I can't sling mud as long as I am not sitting in a mud puddle myself.
 
rev3la7ion

rev3la7ion

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These are definitions of 'spirit':

1.the principle of conscious life; the vital principle in humans, animating the body or mediating between body and soul.
2.the incorporeal part of humans: present in spirit though absent in body.
3.the soul regarded as separating from the body at death.
4.conscious, incorporeal being, as opposed to matter: the world of spirit.
5.a supernatural, incorporeal being, esp. one inhabiting a place, object, etc., or having a particular character: evil spirits.
6.a fairy, sprite, or elf.
7.an angel or demon.
8.an attitude or principle that inspires, animates, or pervades thought, feeling, or action: the spirit of reform.
9.(initial capital letter
) the divine influence as an agency working in the human heart.
10.a divine, inspiring, or animating being or influence. Num. 11:25; Is. 32:15.
11.(initial capital letter
) the third person of the Trinity; Holy Spirit.
12.the soul or heart as the seat of feelings or sentiments, or as prompting to action: a man of broken spirit.
13.spirits, feelings or mood with regard to exaltation or depression: low spirits; good spirits.
14.excellent disposition or attitude in terms of vigor, courage, firmness of intent, etc.; mettle: That's the spirit!
15.temper or disposition: meek in spirit.
16.an individual as characterized by a given attitude, disposition, character, action, etc.: A few brave spirits remained to face the danger.
17.the dominant tendency or character of anything: the spirit of the age.
18.vigorous sense of membership in a group: college spirit.
19.the general meaning or intent of a statement, document, etc. (opposed to letter): the spirit of the law.
20.Chemistry. the essence or active principle of a substance as extracted in liquid form, esp. by distillation.
21.Often, spirits. a strong distilled alcoholic liquor.
22.Chiefly British. alcohol.
23.Pharmacology. a solution in alcohol of an essential or volatile principle; essence.
24.any of certain subtle fluids formerly supposed to permeate the body.
25.the Spirit, God.
–adjective
26.pertaining to something that works by burning alcoholic spirits: a spirit stove.
27.of or pertaining to spiritualist bodies or activities.
–verb (used with object)
28.to animate with fresh ardor or courage; inspirit.
29.to encourage; urge on or stir up, as to action.
30.to carry off mysteriously or secretly (often fol. by away or off): His captors spirited him away.
—Idiom
31.out of spirits, in low spirits; depressed: We were feeling out of spirits after so many days of rain.

I don't see 'breath' anywhere.
 
rev3la7ion

rev3la7ion

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bobharvey said:
I'm basing it on my own personal experience. I never said that the Bible is true. Truth exists whether or not you know it. The sun always rose whether or not people believed that the sun revolved around the earth. Gravity existed before Sir Issac Newton "realized" that something made objects fall. Truth is there whether or not YOU have the ability to look at it let alone immerse yourself in it. Just because you are blind does not mean that the sun ceases to shine.
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Except once again... That all depends on what you believe is truth. Just because I believe the bible isn't true doesn't make it so. Just because christians believe the bible is true doesn't make it so. Truth shows itself in the light of evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Either way, the bible is basically a book that contains morality, ethics, views on purpose in one's life, but most importantly it's about relationships. That's all it is.
 
bobharvey

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Most people realize metaphors are used to convey some deeper message. Jesus spoke in parables that even his apostles couldn't understand so they would ask him in private what the meanings were. I'm sorry to say that American Christianity is a joke. They have misinterpreted everything and made Christs teachings bitter and distasteful.

If Jesus' own apostles had to ask him consistently what the hell he meant. What makes you think that you could comprehend his message just by hearing one sermon once a week? Jesus studied spiritual texts for 30 some years before he started his own ministry. He spoke to Jewish Rabbis and taught them.

The Bible is a collection of books. Who put that collection together? The same people that want to control your thoughts on Jesus teachings. Read outside of the box and find your own path. Stop letting everyone tell you how to think.
 
rev3la7ion

rev3la7ion

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mexiblunt said:
I am not religious, very spiritual but not religious. the stuff bobharvey posted from the bible still holds relevance to me. Most of the bible I read in metaphors or understand in metaphors. I can't sling mud as long as I am not sitting in a mud puddle myself.
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I'm not saying that the bible shouldn't hold relevance to you, the only reason I brought up the bible was because supposedly this woman is doing this to show that we are essentially just a spirit that can live off of only the light of god.
 
rev3la7ion

rev3la7ion

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bobharvey said:
Most people realize metaphors are used to convey some deeper message. Jesus spoke in parables that even his apostles couldn't understand so they would ask him in private what the meanings were. I'm sorry to say that American Christianity is a joke. They have misinterpreted everything and made Christs teachings bitter and distasteful.

If Jesus' own apostles had to ask him consistently what the hell he meant. What makes you think that you could comprehend his message just by hearing one sermon once a week? Jesus studied spiritual texts for 30 some years before he started his own ministry. He spoke to Jewish Rabbis and taught them.

The Bible is a collection of books. Who put that collection together? The same people that want to control your thoughts on Jesus teachings. Read outside of the box and find your own path. Stop letting everyone tell you how to think.
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There's something I agree with completely. :blsmoke:
 
bobharvey

bobharvey

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rev3la7ion said:
Except once again... That all depends on what you believe is truth. Just because I believe the bible isn't true doesn't make it so. Just because christians believe the bible is true doesn't make it so. Truth shows itself in the light of evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Either way, the bible is basically a book that contains morality, ethics, views on purpose in one's life, but most importantly it's about relationships. That's all it is.
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If you have read the entire Bible, studied it, spoken about it with firsthand experience, preached its entire message, then I guess you have the right to say what it is about. But you probably have never done those things, so I beg that you don't devalue the content of the Bible to just a how to on relationships.

I am not a "Christian." Your small perception keeps labeling me as such. Jesus was not a Christian and never intended to start his own religion. If you would stop spewing lies and read the damn book you would realize this. I'm sorry for my tone but it's your inability to begin to search for Truth that has you unbelieving. It is your path and Journey and I sit in judgment on no man. But you know about as much about the Bible as I do about quantum physics. So say what you know about the Bible. Don't spew lies or misnomers about it.
 
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