Understanding and Calculating Nutrient PPM

Renfro

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Understanding and Calculating Nutrient PPM

PPM (Parts Per Million) can seem like a mystery but it’s actually very simple. Basically the idea is to quantify how much “stuff” is in your water.

PPM is commonly measured by a grower using an electronic pen which measures the electrical conductivity of the water (EC). This is then converted to a PPM number with a conversion factor. Since different substances in the water will conduct electricity with varying degrees of resistance we must understand this number is only an estimate.

This is all fine and dandy for figuring out how much of everything is in your mix but what if you want to get more specific and determine how much of a given nutrient is present in your mix.
If we want to calculate how much of a given nutrient is in the mix using the label ingredient percentages we can make that happen with a little math.

Dry Salts - Mass Measurements

Say we are adding half a gram of Calcium Nitrate to 1 Liter of H2O and we want to see how much calcium and nitrogen we added in PPM, we know the calcium nitrate is 19% Calcium.

500mg x 0.19 = 95 mg/L (ppm) Calcium
500mg x 0.155 = 77.5 mg/L (ppm) Nitrogen

To do the math for 1 gram per gallon,

First get the mg per liter from gram per gallon:

1000mg / 3.785 = 264.2007926023778

Grams per Gallon x 264.2007926023778 x Label Percentage = PPM

Calcium Nitrate is 15.5% Nitrogen therefore we get,

1 gram x 264.2 x 0.155 = 40.95 PPM

of nitrogen by adding 1 gram to a gallon.

So for basic dry (mass) calcs just take 264 times the percentage and you know how many PPM of something you get with a gram per gallon.

The calcium nitrate also has 19% calcium.

1 gram x 264.2 x 0.19 = 50.19 PPM

of calcium by adding 1 gram to a gallon.

To figure out how much of something to add to get a given PPM you divide the target PPM by the percentage

So lets say you want 40 PPM of Magnesium from Epsom salt. Epsom is 9.7% Magnesium and 13% Sulfur.

40 / 0.097 = 412mg/L

and

412 x 3.785 = 1560.8mg or 1.56 grams per gallon to get 40 PPM of Magnesium.

Now that also brings some sulfur and we can calculate that,

412mg/L times 0.13 = 53.56 PPM

of Sulfur comes along with the 40 PPM of magnesium.

Phosphorous and Potassium - Beasts of another nature

It should be noted that P & K are different animals depending on how they are put in the mix.

By convention in the U.S. the fertilizer label lists the percentage P2O5 instead of the percent P. Similarly, the labels lists the percentage K2O instead of the percent K. This means we have to take into account conversion factors to calculate the percent elemental P and K.

To convert P2O5 to P multiply by 0.4364
To convert P to P2O5 multiply by 2.2915
To convert K2O to K multiply by 0.8301
To convert K to K2O multiply by 1.2047

Liquid Nutrients and Specific Gravity - Volume Measurements

It gets more complicated when mixing by volume and not mass, liquid nutrients. In this case you must take density into account.

Since the specific gravity of a nutrient isn't commonly listed on the label we must weigh a volume of the nutrient and calculate it's specific gravity.

For example, I just put 100mL of GH Micro in a graduated cylinder and it weighed about 121.2 grams. So if I do some math on the GH micro, 1mL per gallon, the label says it has 5% calcium.

1 mL per gallon x 264.2 x .05 = 13.2 PPM of calcium

BUT when we take into account the extra mass in the mL we multiply that by a specific gravity of 1.212 (according to my most likely not accurate measurement) and then we get 16 PPM of calcium by adding 1 mL of Micro to a gallon of water.

1 mL per gallon x 264.2 x .05 x 1.212 = 16 PPM of calcium

I hope this helps explain PPM and I regret any errors in my math. Please contribute if you see anything important I missed or any unfortunate errors in my work. I didn't go into conversions of PPM from EC as thats really another subject and very simple. - Renfro
 
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diggs99

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Stellar post buddy, many will benefit from this. You simplified it and made it much easier to understand for anyone having trouble.
 

Flowki

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Something I didn't know myself until recently is that ppm/ec meters have nothing to do with ''elemental ppm'' (kinda confusing right). Working things out as you have by actual weight is ''elemental ppm'' and is the most accurate way. So to add to your very helpful post, anybody who takes the time to work out the elemental ppm of the nutrients they are using (in the way the OP has done) will never have to use a ppm or ec meter again. Working out elemental ppm gives accurate ppm levels and happier plants. It's helpful to know how much N you have, how much P, etc. 100% worth learning, you should.

I can understand the use of ec meters in hydro as it can give you an idea of how heavy the plants are feeding, outside of a few uses like that I struggle to see the need. I've not used one for over 5 year now.

For anybody who gets to grips with elemental ppm, the value tables in this link will be of good use as you can begin tailoring the varying ppm levels toward it. While it doesn't give the complete picture it's a good starting point and better than following most other feeding tables that have you feeding too heavy for too long.

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm
 
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Renfro

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Is there a reason the observed EC ppm is different from the elemental ppm?
It's simple, we are using electricity to attempt to measure a change in the electrical conductivity of a solution. That means the measurement is only a guesstimate. Different things on your solution will alter it's conductivity at different rates therefore the EC measurement in microsiemens is just a sum total of how well the solution conducts electricity.
 

Renfro

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If you get something like Megacrop that lists the silicon as "contains non plant food ingredients 0.15% Silicon Dioxide (Sio2) derived from Potassium Silicate"

As we did above with K2O and P2O5 use a multiplier, in this case 0.4674 to get the elemental Oxygen.

To find this information for other substances simply lookup the molar mass of the elements involved and math out the percentage of the total molecule mass that is the element you want to quantify. So in this case we have SiO2

Molar Mass
Si = 28.0855
O = 15.999

Si + O2
28.0855 + 15.999 + 15.999 = 60.0835

28.0855 / 60.0835 = 0.4674411444073664
 

Renfro

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The PPM we are discussing here is elemental PPM. The measurement from an EC meter is really not an accurate number as I explained earlier in this post, it's merely measuring the electrical conductivity of the solution and trying to use that to determine how much "stuff" is in the water. As you can see from my post above, the EC PPM and the elemental PPM rarely match up, except in the case of the GH Bloom for example. Yes changing conversion from EC to PPM will give you a different number. The .5 and .7 scales are just corrections trying to take the EC number and make it a relevant PPM number.
 

TreeFiddy350

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The PPM we are discussing here is elemental PPM. The measurement from an EC meter is really not an accurate number as I explained earlier in this post, it's merely measuring the electrical conductivity of the solution and trying to use that to determine how much "stuff" is in the water. As you can see from my post above, the EC PPM and the elemental PPM rarely match up, except in the case of the GH Bloom for example. Yes changing conversion from EC to PPM will give you a different number. The .5 and .7 scales are just corrections trying to take the EC number and make it a relevant PPM number.
Thanks for clearing that up bro!
 

Renfro

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So I am working up a nutrient PPM calculator spreadsheet. I can add as many products as I wish using the label #'s however with liquid ingredients I need to calculate the specific gravity requiring a sample to weigh. I also have some work to do with the EC PPM's as those values are measured and not calculated. I have done it for a few items so far. The input data (in blue borders) entered isn't a real nutrient mix, rather it's just to give the spreadsheet some numbers to chew on so it can make sample calculations and chart for these screenshots. I made the chart so that it's easy to see NPK ratios and Ca:Mg ratio. I also added a section to aid in adding new substances by calculating the elemental PPM values based on the label percentages. This whole spreadsheet is based on substance additions measured in milliliters or grams (wet or dry) and water volume measured in gallons.

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Anyways, it's definitely still a work in progress but I am looking for any thoughts, suggestions and corrections that people might have offer. I intend to share the finished spreadsheet here for others to download and use. I will leave rows available for users to add some of their own products without having to edit the formulas.
 

charsi420

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How about another thread covering ratios. For example how much calmag or other additives in relation to your base nutes and so on.
 

charsi420

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I mean something for noobs like me, using ml and grams. For example - x ml of GH Calimagic to x grams of Maxibloom to avoid overdosing either and causing lockouts.

4ml of Calmag will definitely react differently with 1g, 2g, 3g or 4g of bloom.
 

Renfro

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I mean something for noobs like me, using ml and grams. For example - x ml of GH Calimagic to x grams of Maxibloom to avoid overdosing either and causing lockouts.

4ml of Calmag will definitely react differently with 1g, 2g, 3g or 4g of bloom.
Sorry I don't recommend how you use the nutrients, just provide a way for you to calculate what is going on in the mix.
 
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