Under Sanders, income and jobs would soar, economist says

Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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rocknratm said:
why not set the bar high? Im talking idealism here. if you work 40hrs a week, and sleep 8 a day, you work 1/3 of your waking life. 1/3 of your awake hours to slave labor (a little less that 1/4 of your total time on this earth including sleep time- 168/40=4.2, or 40/160 fraction 1/4). Fuck that.
I cut my hours at work to 16, the union minimum. If the union wasnt such a bitch id still have benefits at 16 hrs too. Although I probably spend 20 hrs a week doing grow stuff, still hand water, not to mention harvest time....
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Say your rent/mortgage is 700 dollars , Food expenses 300 dollars, and you only work max of 16 hours a week.

16 × 4 = 64 hours a month of labor.

1000 dollars ÷ 64 work hours = 15.4 dollars an hour wage.

Hmmmm...

That is just to feed an house yourself. Or are you hoping the food AND shelter will be put on the tab of the government? Then you have 1000 dollars free spend for the month?
 
see4

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Flaming Pie said:
Say your rent/mortgage is 700 dollars , Food expenses 300 dollars, and you only work max of 16 hours a week.

16 × 4 = 64 hours a month of labor.

1000 dollars ÷ 64 work hours = 15.4 dollars an hour wage.

Hmmmm...

That is just to feed an house yourself. Or are you hoping the food AND shelter will be put on the tab of the government? Then you have 1000 dollars free spend for the month?
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$700 a month!!!

I pay roughly $6,600 a month in payments for my mortgages. Granted I get roughly $5,000 a month in rental income.. but still. Last time I paid only $700 a month in rent or mortgage was in 1998. lol.

Also, it's 4.2, so it would be 16 x 4.2 = 67.2 or $14.88 an hour.
 
Flaming Pie

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see4 said:
$700 a month!!!

I pay roughly $6,600 a month in payments for my mortgages. Granted I get roughly $5,000 a month in rental income.. but still. Last time I paid only $700 a month in rent or mortgage was in 1998. lol.

Also, it's 4.2, so it would be 16 x 4.2 = 67.2 or $14.88 an hour.
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Depends where you live. 700 a month gets you a roof over your head in an apartment. Shitty apartment. Looking at 800+ if you want quality.

Housing market crashed hard where I am. We got a mortgage on a short sale house in 2012. Houses in the area go for 100k and we got in at 70k. So our mortgage payment is 620 dollars. Much nicer and cheaper than an apartment around here.

My parent's house was at 190k when the market crashed. now its only worth 120-130k.

Still ridiculous that he thinks 8-16 hours a week should pay for shelter and food. Unless he was leaving out food stamps. Only single mothers get housing assistance where I am.

Still wouldn't be enough. Need to consider utilities, gas, car insurance, clothing and so on.

We all know you live like a baller, see4.
 
rocknratm

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my mortgage is 600. Crappy old house. I make 960 a month on paper, 15/hr. Im not saying I want government money, I want to be paid what im worth when I work, and I want my money to have real spending value and wages to keep up with inflation. I work hard at my mostly manual labor job, but hard work doesn't get you ahead anymore. Systems broken.
Im doing fine personally, I dont want these things for me. I want them to even the playing field for everyone.
 
ttystikk

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rocknratm said:
my mortgage is 600. Crappy old house. I make 960 a month on paper, 15/hr. Im not saying I want government money, I want to be paid what im worth when I work, and I want my money to have real spending value and wages to keep up with inflation. I work hard at my mostly manual labor job, but hard work doesn't get you ahead anymore. Systems broken.
Im doing fine personally, I dont want these things for me. I want them to even the playing field for everyone.
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An even playing field makes for a far more prosperous nation- for everyone. I think the wealthy class in this country can and should look at this as priming the pump of their own long term economic success and therefore security, by protecting the buying power of their aggregate customer base.

After all, how long are they going to survive if no one has the money to buy their goods and services? That's what an economic depression looks like, and we've been living through the twenty first century version of exactly that for a decade now.
 
see4

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Flaming Pie said:
Depends where you live. 700 a month gets you a roof over your head in an apartment. Shitty apartment. Looking at 800+ if you want quality.

Housing market crashed hard where I am. We got a mortgage on a short sale house in 2012. Houses in the area go for 100k and we got in at 70k. So our mortgage payment is 620 dollars. Much nicer and cheaper than an apartment around here.

My parent's house was at 190k when the market crashed. now its only worth 120-130k.

Still ridiculous that he thinks 8-16 hours a week should pay for shelter and food. Unless he was leaving out food stamps. Only single mothers get housing assistance where I am.

Still wouldn't be enough. Need to consider utilities, gas, car insurance, clothing and so on.

We all know you live like a baller, see4.
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Where I live, $700 doesn't exist.

But I agree, 16 hours a week should not afford you food and shelter. I'd be ok with 36 hours. I work an average of 10-14 hours a day. I ain't no baller, by a long shot. I just work hard, and I'm smart. I work 'smard'.
 
Nutes and Nugs

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ttystikk said:
An even playing field makes for a far more prosperous nation- for everyone. I think the wealthy class in this country can and should look at this as priming the pump of their own long term economic success and therefore security, by protecting the buying power of their aggregate customer base.

After all, how long are they going to survive if no one has the money to buy their goods and services? That's what an economic depression looks like, and we've been living through the twenty first century version of exactly that for a decade now.
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Thanks Obama
 
ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
Thanks Wall St. and 35 year long failed right wing economic policy
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The saddest part is that if they recognized the importance of a strong consumer base to their own bottom line they would never have tolerated the system as it is today.

This has come about completely due to the shortsighted self interest of those buying access to power at the expense and even detriment of society at large, aka 'tragedy of the Commons'.

Exhibit A as to why cash and politics must be forcibly separated if democracy is to be preserved.
 
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Flaming Pie

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see4 said:
Where I live, $700 doesn't exist.

But I agree, 16 hours a week should not afford you food and shelter. I'd be ok with 36 hours. I work an average of 10-14 hours a day. I ain't no baller, by a long shot. I just work hard, and I'm smart. I work 'smard'.
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Lies. You Polo and gold watch wearing motherfucka. Lol I'm high. Carry on.

We were very lucky to snatched up a shortsale. We had a nice realtor who got us into a nice neighborhood. Good schools and strict city codes on appearance of your property.

We should be able to live comfortably here. We bought what we would be able to afford and would give us room to save money as my husband earns more.

Now is the time to buy. When did you start buying renter properties?
 
NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
Thanks Wall St. and 35 year long failed right wing economic policy
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The right wing economic policy never promised to give you an i-phone for free. That was the democrats.

Clinton was part of the failed right wing economic policy? And now we want to hire his wife?? Seems silly!!
 
londonfog

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NLXSK1 said:
The right wing economic policy never promised to give you an i-phone for free. That was the democrats.

Clinton was part of the failed right wing economic policy? And now we want to hire his wife?? Seems silly!!
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now that's a lie. Neither promised an i-phone
 
NLXSK1

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londonfog said:
now that's a lie. Neither promised an i-phone
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It was symbolism. If the Democrats only wanted to give away I-phones for free it would be a hell of a lot less expensive.

Free college, free healthcare, free housing, free food, free internet... All paid for by someone else!!

Republicans never promised a giveaway but people keep acting like they did and it didnt work.
 
londonfog

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NLXSK1 said:
It was symbolism. If the Democrats only wanted to give away I-phones for free it would be a hell of a lot less expensive.

Free college, free healthcare, free housing, free food, free internet... All paid for by someone else!!

Republicans never promised a giveaway but people keep acting like they did and it didn't work.
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Repukes do give away. to corporations and tax cuts for the wealthy
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Both sides give tax reductions to businesses and the wealthy.

You are only mad when one side does it.

I am in favor of a flat sales tax. No reductions to business or the wealthy. No more having to prove to the government what you make and what you spend.
 
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