Uncle Ben
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Are you lost? This is NOT the political forum.
Uncle Ben's Gardening Tweeks and Pointers
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Are you lost? This is NOT the political forum.
fivethirty
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Agreed, some of the best herb I smoked was in Jamaica where everything is seeded. Its more of an embarrassment here, the same way I wouldn't share a crummy batch of my homebrew.
LOL Thanks for that GW link, now I realize that my aeration/drainage amendments don't do squat but take up space in the pot
Next time you see a bag of MG perlite flip it over, there is a GA on the back..small numbers but its there. Its a tough pill to swallow that the "organic" craze is somehow more pure and natural.... I have fallen victim to more than one hype man.
I am all for sharing information but its not much to ask to give credit where its due, Im sure if you were the front man for a snake oil vendor the tune would have been much different... money makes fast friends
Another question: You have said repeatedly that you grow only sativas and I think I saw you write that true equatorial sativa flowers on age rather than photo period. That left the impression that they "autoflower" I have seen what happens to the cannabis plant around the equator, they flower as soon as they are mature and so do not get much more than 3-4 feet in height since they are basically 12/12 from seed all year. Maybe that's what you meant by flowering by age?
Thanks again for your willingness to endure the poo butts and help the motivated to learn
The Durty
Uncle Ben
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I think of autoflower as in having ruderalis genes. Sativas don't autoflower, quite the opposite, it takes them forever to even bloom and it's based on chronological age rather than hormonal influence.
I have plenty of mutts but I also have plenty of pure sativas. I never said I grow only sativas and my journals bear that out.
You're right about the perlite. I guess organic purists have to have drama in their lives to feel whole. 0.04 - 0.01 - 0.06 is completely meaningless in the real world, not that the chemicals would be harmful to man or plants. http://www.scotts.com/smg/goprod/miracle-gro-perlite/prod70256/
I have plenty of mutts but I also have plenty of pure sativas. I never said I grow only sativas and my journals bear that out.
You're right about the perlite. I guess organic purists have to have drama in their lives to feel whole. 0.04 - 0.01 - 0.06 is completely meaningless in the real world, not that the chemicals would be harmful to man or plants. http://www.scotts.com/smg/goprod/miracle-gro-perlite/prod70256/
I didn't "bold" anything and feel free to hand away if you ever actually pull your head outa yours
fivethirty
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My mistake, I haven't seen the journals.... I do tend to draw conclusions from my impressions. No slight intended
Uncle Ben
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HumbleNMotivated
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I appreciate people and threads like this. I of course haven't read this entire thread as of yet or all of your topping thread but have made it through about the first 120~ pages so far of this thread and about 30~ pages of the topping thread. When I come across brilliant nuggets I print it out and place it in my little binder that is growing with printed info by the day from peeps like you, Uncle Ben, riddleme, spurr, dr gruber, and others.
I kept reading threads by you where you would blow up on people like "You can't take the time to read" or "I've discussed this hundreds of times what don't you get" and was like huh is he just mean or whats up with him? Especially because I myself wanted to post up and be like what exactly is the "second true node"... lol even after reading through your topping thread probably twenty times. This is all because I'm brand new, actually first grow ever new lol. Now that I've got my seedlings about to their veg stage I know just by your description indeed what the second true node is just by watching my plants grow. It gets long and daunting reading through long long threads like this when you keep seeing the same questions asked or a ton of random "WHATS WRONG WITH MY PLANTS!" posts with a single picture and no other information but regardless lots of great nuggets of info in this thread. I know your not mean, correct me if I'm wrong hehe, just short with those that can't use the search and pagination navigation in the forum.
Just wanted to stop in and thank you for sharing information freely with fellow cannabis knowledge seekers. Especially the simply brutal logic based information you seem to have coined.
I kept reading threads by you where you would blow up on people like "You can't take the time to read" or "I've discussed this hundreds of times what don't you get" and was like huh is he just mean or whats up with him? Especially because I myself wanted to post up and be like what exactly is the "second true node"... lol even after reading through your topping thread probably twenty times. This is all because I'm brand new, actually first grow ever new lol. Now that I've got my seedlings about to their veg stage I know just by your description indeed what the second true node is just by watching my plants grow. It gets long and daunting reading through long long threads like this when you keep seeing the same questions asked or a ton of random "WHATS WRONG WITH MY PLANTS!" posts with a single picture and no other information but regardless lots of great nuggets of info in this thread. I know your not mean, correct me if I'm wrong hehe, just short with those that can't use the search and pagination navigation in the forum.
Just wanted to stop in and thank you for sharing information freely with fellow cannabis knowledge seekers. Especially the simply brutal logic based information you seem to have coined.
Uncle Ben
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Thanks for writing. In a nutshell, you got it down pat what the human dynamics are at cannabis forum sites. Stick around and you'll get a taste of the politics and culture.
Good luck
Rocketman64
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Hey UB, had a thought the other day regarding light schedules during flowering. Have you ever heard of a technique of increasing hours of light during the last half of the flowering process? I've heard of people eliminating light altogether for a period before harvest but I also just ran across a claim by a grower that he increases the hours of light towards the end of flower. Of course this claim also comes with the usual, "I got way danker buds" routine, not sure what the hell 'danker' means (I'm guessing this means 'good'
). I'm a pretty big believer in trying to mimic outdoor conditions whenever possible for indoor grows so this goes against what we all know about light cycles in the fall. Once the plant is in flower, is it more beneficial to the plant to receive certain amounts of light or certain amounts of dark? Would an additional 2 hours of light on a plant mid-way through flower have any benefit whatsoever?
). I'm a pretty big believer in trying to mimic outdoor conditions whenever possible for indoor grows so this goes against what we all know about light cycles in the fall. Once the plant is in flower, is it more beneficial to the plant to receive certain amounts of light or certain amounts of dark? Would an additional 2 hours of light on a plant mid-way through flower have any benefit whatsoever?
Nitegazer
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The one scholarly article I have read about hermaphroditism in cannabis indicated that hermies could result from lengthening light cycle (note: not light leaks). I would need to see some serious evidence that lengthening light period is good before I'd expose my ladies to it.
budman111
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If it ain't broke...
Rocketman64
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Yeah, I'm with you guys. I would need some solid evidence as well. Seems like once the plant has shown gender and is already 5 weeks or better into flower, the likelihood of seeing hermies is probably minimal. Wondering if additional light later in flower helps or hurts the flowering process. We're all the time hearing claims of higher THC levels by introducing UVB later in flowering but this was the first I've heard of additional lumens and extended daylight times having a similar effect. Slow news day, had to throw something out there to stir the pot a bit.
Doer
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Anyone can say anything and do. It is why we huddle here at our little campfire and do Botany Lab.
For UVB, the science could be real, regarding the analysis of the very uniform tricome heads. They seem to be candidates for spherical focus factories.
The 290-320 nm wavelength for UVB is right in the focus of the tricome center, I have read. And UVB does increase as the summer sun angle is moving higher.
And I tried it. I can't tell if it worked or not. The problem is, it is nothing to play with, since your vision is concerned. And this wavelength needs a lot more watts than is affordable and safe. My 10w lizard tubes are only good for 8" or so.
You don't get much spread at that distance.
So, here in Botany Lab, we have figure out a good experiment to see if it is worth it. And is it even worth it to set up the experiment?
Ditto, for messing with the light without hermaphroditic reversion. It has no logic, that one.
Suddenly the day is longer, does not exist in the natural Fall season.
For UVB, the science could be real, regarding the analysis of the very uniform tricome heads. They seem to be candidates for spherical focus factories.
The 290-320 nm wavelength for UVB is right in the focus of the tricome center, I have read. And UVB does increase as the summer sun angle is moving higher.
And I tried it. I can't tell if it worked or not. The problem is, it is nothing to play with, since your vision is concerned. And this wavelength needs a lot more watts than is affordable and safe. My 10w lizard tubes are only good for 8" or so.
You don't get much spread at that distance.
So, here in Botany Lab, we have figure out a good experiment to see if it is worth it. And is it even worth it to set up the experiment?
Ditto, for messing with the light without hermaphroditic reversion. It has no logic, that one.
Suddenly the day is longer, does not exist in the natural Fall season.
Uncle Ben
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You hear all kinds of stuff, do you actually pay it any mind? Funny that cannabis in its natural state during flowering is receiving far less total daily photons than during veg, eh?
Common sense dictates that if you practice such an unnatural act for the last 4 +/- weeks that it will have an impact on phytochrome processes and induce hermies. Left long enough you'll have a reversion back to the veg stage out of flower production. Also, it's later on during the flowering process that a plant wants to go hermie. Why, because it's here to carry on the species so it wants to throw a few or many male flowers into the female lovepit.
Look....ignore this crap. Empower yourself by getting educated, then you can pass off the 'he says, she says' without question.
Uncle Ben
qroox
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My common sense dictates to go with what nature does.I was thinking to even use less light or similar to veg light in my flowering room.UB i was thinking to do a 1.5x1.5x2m room with a 400watt bulb,and a veg one with the same.Do you think it would work ? Or would i need a 600watter for the flowering ? I'm very careful and i always listen to your ways.I just want a small tap on the back and a direction on what to do
.Plants will be topped once again for 4 colas..It's just so nice to see them grow like that .
Rocketman64
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You'll be proud to know I actually do ignore this crap. That being said, as a newbie to the indoor growing scene, it never hurts to bounce this shit off the people who are in the know. Part of empowering myself with education is getting a direct, educated answer from people like you and Doer. As you've stated many times, it's hard to weed through the crap in cannabis forums and if I can save a little time by going straight to a solid source it makes the empowerment that much more valuable. Thanks, I knew I could count on solid answers if I threw it out there. Now, for the important question: what the hell does 'dank' mean? Is this some sort of slang for 'stink', 'stank', 'stunk'? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
qroox
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I was thinking to buy a 600watter and dim it to work at 400w (i was already planning to get a dimmable).But on the other hand i would get like 40000 more lumens.I wouldn't wanna have to buy another ballast+bulb..it would be another 250$ at least..I know it's a tricky part but i can't really experiment right now..got a limited budget atm.
Rocketman64
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Awesome, Doer. Thanks for weighing in. You guys have no idea how much it's appreciated to cut through the BS and get solid info like this. Mucho Gracias
Doer
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MY bathroom is only 5 feet wide. 1.5 meters = 4.92126 feet. And I have an extra meter in length. Veg, you can use CFL at 250w. Cost less that HID. And it doesn't have that big heat load. But, if you have two rooms that size, you can go with a 1000w in each....if you can transport out the heat.My common sense dictates to go with what nature does.I was thinking to even use less light or similar to veg light in my flowering room.UB i was thinking to do a 1.5x1.5x2m room with a 400watt bulb,and a veg one with the same.Do you think it would work ? Or would i need a 600watter for the flowering ? I'm very careful and i always listen to your ways.I just want a small tap on the back and a direction on what to do
400 will work and 600 will work. What didn't work for me was 400w in large garbage bin. The critical thing for HID is overhead room or if vertical, the side space before the light.
That is about the intensity more that the heat, although heat is always a problem. What you are interested in here is the foot-candles. There are many ways to measure light that are good for people and photography, etc.
FC is about intensity. Sun in the afternoon max, gets to 10,000 foot candles. It is only there for maybe 1 hour.
My 1000w HPS, gives off 10K FC, at 26 inches. And by the time you get to some of these recommendation I see, 8 inches...????!!!!, you are 4 x sun power. I have burned them, and when they are light burned they seem fine, but the cure was a horror. I could not smoke it, when the chlorophyll was gone.
That just means, you need more room, not for the heat, but to bring down the intensity. 400W HID is a 120 gal garbage bin, will not work.
The other thing is yield. Yield is watts and more watts means spacing and distance must increase. So, Ben and I are on the same page here.
But, he is outdoor and seasonal, I am on a harvest each month schedule. Really., your situation is unique, and you need to get something going that is not too much or too little for your location, situation, and funds.